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The UK was right to handover HK to China
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The UK should have kept HK
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The UK should have set up HK as an independent, democratic state
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:54 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It can do that without oppressing people.

The underlined is a fat lie


the alternate is civil war, re-colonization, interventions etc

in such a populated part of the world, millions would die


Of those, only civil war is remotely possible, and if that's the gamble, then fuck it, better a free world than a shackled one where you don't give a fuck -- or even more insulting, pretend to give a fuck while people bottle themselves up for lack of acceptable ways to vent, while people are disappeared for calling Xi Pooh, his thoughts rubbish, and his leadership an affront to human dignity.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:55 pm

Duhon wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
the alternate is civil war, re-colonization, interventions etc

in such a populated part of the world, millions would die


Of those, only civil war is remotely possible, and if that's the gamble, then fuck it, better a free world than a shackled one where you don't give a fuck -- or even more insulting, pretend to give a fuck while people bottle themselves up for lack of acceptable ways to vent, while people are disappeared for calling Xi Pooh, his thoughts rubbish, and his leadership an affront to human dignity.


why would you insult the leader of your country though?

its simply unwise

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:57 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Of those, only civil war is remotely possible, and if that's the gamble, then fuck it, better a free world than a shackled one where you don't give a fuck -- or even more insulting, pretend to give a fuck while people bottle themselves up for lack of acceptable ways to vent, while people are disappeared for calling Xi Pooh, his thoughts rubbish, and his leadership an affront to human dignity.


why would you insult the leader of your country though?

its simply unwise

You can try and divert the topic all you want. Doesn't change the fact that Beijing creeping up on Hong Kong is bad for Hong Kong's civil, political, and economic future.

Also, fuck Xi.

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:57 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Of those, only civil war is remotely possible, and if that's the gamble, then fuck it, better a free world than a shackled one where you don't give a fuck -- or even more insulting, pretend to give a fuck while people bottle themselves up for lack of acceptable ways to vent, while people are disappeared for calling Xi Pooh, his thoughts rubbish, and his leadership an affront to human dignity.


why would you insult the leader of your country though?

its simply unwise

Because: just maybe, their leader could be a fucking idiot and needs correcting?

Like, I don't know, Orange Man? Old 'Nix? Mao? Stalin? Hitler?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Of those, only civil war is remotely possible, and if that's the gamble, then fuck it, better a free world than a shackled one where you don't give a fuck -- or even more insulting, pretend to give a fuck while people bottle themselves up for lack of acceptable ways to vent, while people are disappeared for calling Xi Pooh, his thoughts rubbish, and his leadership an affront to human dignity.


why would you insult the leader of your country though?

its simply unwise

This had me flabbergasted and flopping around in my bed irl.
Ignoring the fact that that's not Duhon is pointing out, you shouldn't be getting arrested for insulting a leader of a country. That's stupid.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Of those, only civil war is remotely possible, and if that's the gamble, then fuck it, better a free world than a shackled one where you don't give a fuck -- or even more insulting, pretend to give a fuck while people bottle themselves up for lack of acceptable ways to vent, while people are disappeared for calling Xi Pooh, his thoughts rubbish, and his leadership an affront to human dignity.


why would you insult the leader of your country though?

its simply unwise

Because you think he is a awful leader and thus should be insulted and criticized? Not exactly a novel or new concept IM.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:58 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Kowani wrote:Stability isn’t inherently good, though.


It's not as though fast rising authoritarian powers have ever caused any issues in the past.

Of course, that doesn’t make instability desirable either.

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Kowani wrote:Imperial Russia was stable for the majority of its existence, but I doubt most people would want to live there.


it turned out to be a better system than communist Russia
Ignoring the fact that it helped create the Soviet Union and WWI for a moment, I never claimed that what followed was good. That said, what followed-the Soviet Union, was also stabile, but most people aren’t clamoring to move there, either.
Infected Mushroom wrote:in fact, had the Bolsheviks not won, Russia could have surpassed the USA by today as the world's most powerful nation

Citation needed.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:58 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
why would you insult the leader of your country though?

its simply unwise

You can try and divert the topic all you want. Doesn't change the fact that Beijing creeping up on Hong Kong is bad for Hong Kong's civil, political, and economic future.

Also, fu*k Xi.

^This, but without the expletive
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:59 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Of those, only civil war is remotely possible, and if that's the gamble, then fuck it, better a free world than a shackled one where you don't give a fuck -- or even more insulting, pretend to give a fuck while people bottle themselves up for lack of acceptable ways to vent, while people are disappeared for calling Xi Pooh, his thoughts rubbish, and his leadership an affront to human dignity.


why would you insult the leader of your country though?

its simply unwise


It's unwise for you because he would make you disappear, regardless of his conduct, or even because of it. Because of fucking course you exist to tiptoe around him, to satisfy his whims, to praise him incessantly, to listen to him spout his thousand and one thoughts regardless of their quality, lest he be angered.

That's you. Not me, not anyone who exists in a fucking democracy -- because you know what? They exist for us, to serve us, not the other fucking way around.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:04 pm

Duhon wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
why would you insult the leader of your country though?

its simply unwise


It's unwise for you because he would make you disappear, regardless of his conduct, or even because of it. Because of f*cking course you exist to tiptoe around him, to satisfy his whims, to praise him incessantly, to listen to him spout his thousand and one thoughts regardless of their quality, lest he be angered.

That's you. Not me, not anyone who exists in a f*cking democracy -- because you know what? They exist for us, to serve us, not the other f*cking way around.

Sentiment is awesome but I don't think the leader should serve us. They should serve Allah SWT.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:08 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Duhon wrote:
It's unwise for you because he would make you disappear, regardless of his conduct, or even because of it. Because of f*cking course you exist to tiptoe around him, to satisfy his whims, to praise him incessantly, to listen to him spout his thousand and one thoughts regardless of their quality, lest he be angered.

That's you. Not me, not anyone who exists in a f*cking democracy -- because you know what? They exist for us, to serve us, not the other f*cking way around.

Sentiment is awesome but I don't think the leader should serve us. They should serve Allah SWT.


I'm a secular atheist, and I don't wanna wallow in your morass, so I'll have no truck with that

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:09 pm

Duhon wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Sentiment is awesome but I don't think the leader should serve us. They should serve Allah SWT.


I'm a secular atheist, and I don't wanna wallow in your morass, so I'll have no truck with that

Ok, but you'll have to pay jizyah
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Postby Andsed » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:10 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Duhon wrote:
It's unwise for you because he would make you disappear, regardless of his conduct, or even because of it. Because of f*cking course you exist to tiptoe around him, to satisfy his whims, to praise him incessantly, to listen to him spout his thousand and one thoughts regardless of their quality, lest he be angered.

That's you. Not me, not anyone who exists in a f*cking democracy -- because you know what? They exist for us, to serve us, not the other f*cking way around.

Sentiment is awesome but I don't think the leader should serve us. They should serve Allah SWT.

No they should definitely be serving the likely hundreds of thousands if not millions of 100% real people instead of some random deity which may or may not exist.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:11 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Duhon wrote:
I'm a secular atheist, and I don't wanna wallow in your morass, so I'll have no truck with that

Ok, but you'll have to pay jizyah


I don't give a shit. I don't wanna talk about jizya; take it where that's actually relevant.

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Postby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:13 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Duhon wrote:
I'm a secular atheist, and I don't wanna wallow in your morass, so I'll have no truck with that

Ok, but you'll have to pay jizyah


How about no Islamic or any religion in goverment?

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:13 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Duhon wrote:
It's unwise for you because he would make you disappear, regardless of his conduct, or even because of it. Because of f*cking course you exist to tiptoe around him, to satisfy his whims, to praise him incessantly, to listen to him spout his thousand and one thoughts regardless of their quality, lest he be angered.

That's you. Not me, not anyone who exists in a f*cking democracy -- because you know what? They exist for us, to serve us, not the other f*cking way around.

Sentiment is awesome but I don't think the leader should serve us. They should serve Allah SWT.

Sure. Just have him appear at the nation’s capital, ready to verify his godhood.
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Postby Tuthina » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:14 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Duhon wrote:
I'm a secular atheist, and I don't wanna wallow in your morass, so I'll have no truck with that

Ok, but you'll have to pay jizyah

How is that relevant to Hong Kong?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:15 pm

Tuthina wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Ok, but you'll have to pay jizyah

How is that relevant to Hong Kong?

Sry
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Postby Bengal and Assam » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:35 pm

I heard of these Chinese cyber warriors known as 50 cent-ers. Apparently, these people get about 50cents (USD) per pro-CCP propaganda posts on forums and social media from the Chinese government....

Now,I'm not accusing people over here.
But if we ASSUME that IM is a 50 cent-er, how much did he earn from this thread?
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Postby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:58 pm

Bengal and Assam wrote:I heard of these Chinese cyber warriors known as 50 cent-ers. Apparently, these people get about 50cents (USD) per pro-CCP propaganda posts on forums and social media from the Chinese government....

Now,I'm not accusing people over here.
But if we ASSUME that IM is a 50 cent-er, how much did he earn from this thread?


Oh, man...a lot. That's all I'm gonna say.

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Postby Bombadil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:17 am

For some bizarre reason this morning if you typed 'so sad that Hong Kong is part of China' into Google Translate it would translate 'sad' to 高兴 which means 'happy'.
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Postby Nakena » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:19 am

Bengal and Assam wrote:I heard of these Chinese cyber warriors known as 50 cent-ers. Apparently, these people get about 50cents (USD) per pro-CCP propaganda posts on forums and social media from the Chinese government....

Now,I'm not accusing people over here.
But if we ASSUME that IM is a 50 cent-er, how much did he earn from this thread?


Nah he isn't. Trust me I've seen cyber PLA in action years ago. The thread here would be flooded by new users with bad spelling and pro-china viewpoint.
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:41 am

Bombadil wrote:For some bizarre reason this morning if you typed 'so sad that Hong Kong is part of China' into Google Translate it would translate 'sad' to 高兴 which means 'happy'.


Why should you be sad, Dil? You should be happy -- Xi Dada has spared a thought for you! He's even typing for you, and for millions more!

(No, seriously, that's suspicious. Maybe your phone's bugged or something.)

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Postby Bombadil » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:43 am

Duhon wrote:
Bombadil wrote:For some bizarre reason this morning if you typed 'so sad that Hong Kong is part of China' into Google Translate it would translate 'sad' to 高兴 which means 'happy'.


Why should you be sad, Dil? You should be happy -- Xi Dada has spared a thought for you! He's even typing for you, and for millions more!

(No, seriously, that's suspicious. Maybe your phone's bugged or something.)


It was a Google issue..

Google’s public search liaison, Danny Sullivan, tweeted a reply in response to the mistranslation at about 12:45pm on Friday, June 14, saying they would look into the matter and resolve it soon.

It's all a bit odd, more details here.. https://mothership.sg/2019/06/google-tr ... ong-china/
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:44 am

Duhon wrote:
Bombadil wrote:For some bizarre reason this morning if you typed 'so sad that Hong Kong is part of China' into Google Translate it would translate 'sad' to 高兴 which means 'happy'.


Why should you be sad, Dil? You should be happy -- Xi Dada has spared a thought for you! He's even typing for you, and for millions more!

(No, seriously, that's suspicious. Maybe your phone's bugged or something.)


It's not his phone, it's Google. They got into bed with the PRC last year or so.
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