Hong Kong

[Belagia]

With Chinese troops on the boarder to Hong Kong makes you wonder if they are gonna do another Tiananmen Square 1989 event again. If they do, there is gonna be more eyes watching than before.

Hence, we should bomb the ever living shit out of the Chinese troops before they could make any move.

But no. Apparently we have to be restrained and watch Hong Kong burn under it's own written will of living under communist dogs.

UK could've refused, China could've militarized, and we could've had a bigass NATO base with 70 bombers next to China to send a message, and to keep Hong Kong. We could've done this. But no, we had to hand it over to those dog-slaughtering communists.

[Otira]

With Chinese troops on the boarder to Hong Kong makes you wonder if they are gonna do another Tiananmen Square 1989 event again. If they do, there is gonna be more eyes watching than before.

This time it'll be Tienanmen Squared.

[Farnhamia]

With Chinese troops on the boarder to Hong Kong makes you wonder if they are gonna do another Tiananmen Square 1989 event again. If they do, there is gonna be more eyes watching than before.

Hence, we should bomb the ever living shit out of the Chinese troops before they could make any move.

But no. Apparently we have to be restrained and watch Hong Kong burn under it's own written will of living under communist dogs.

UK could've refused, China could've militarized, and we could've had a bigass NATO base with 70 bombers next to China to send a message, and to keep Hong Kong. We could've done this. But no, we had to hand it over to those dog-slaughtering communists.

Just a pro tip from your friendly neighborhood Mod, knock it off with the "communist dogs" and "dog-slaughtering communists." You can make your points without resorting to low insults.

[Belagia]

With Chinese troops on the boarder to Hong Kong makes you wonder if they are gonna do another Tiananmen Square 1989 event again. If they do, there is gonna be more eyes watching than before.

This time it'll be Tienanmen Squared.

If it happens...

Opium Wars 2.0. With napalm. And B-2's. And Fire-bombing.

[Belagia]

Hence, we should bomb the ever living shit out of the Chinese troops before they could make any move.

But no. Apparently we have to be restrained and watch Hong Kong burn under it's own written will of living under communist dogs.

UK could've refused, China could've militarized, and we could've had a bigass NATO base with 70 bombers next to China to send a message, and to keep Hong Kong. We could've done this. But no, we had to hand it over to those dog-slaughtering communists.

Just a pro tip from your friendly neighborhood Mod, knock it off with the "communist dogs" and "dog-slaughtering communists." You can make your points without resorting to low insults.

I apologize, however not enough tough language is used against a regime which brutally oppresses religious and ethnic groups while enslaving countries to it's economic tentacles and totalitarian machina.

This is what happens when the rest of the world "dislikes" the USA. You enable an oppressive regime like the PRC by making them seem as the hero, allowing them to get away with crimes against humanity in the modern times.

We should just bomb the Chinese until they give up their will to govern anymore. Fracture China into several different states and let the ROC take back what is rightfully theirs.

Sorry, but this could've all been prevented if the UK kept Hong Kong and allowed NATO to build a gigantic military base in HK to fend China off.

[Farnhamia]

Just a pro tip from your friendly neighborhood Mod, knock it off with the "communist dogs" and "dog-slaughtering communists." You can make your points without resorting to low insults.

I apologize, however not enough tough language is used against a regime which brutally oppresses religious and ethnic groups while enslaving countries to it's economic tentacles and totalitarian machina.

This is what happens when the rest of the world "dislikes" the USA. You enable an oppressive regime like the PRC by making them seem as the hero, allowing them to get away with crimes against humanity in the modern times.

We should just bomb the Chinese until they give up their will to govern anymore. Fracture China into several different states and let the ROC take back what is rightfully theirs.

Sorry, but this could've all been prevented if the UK kept Hong Kong and allowed NATO to build a gigantic military base in HK to fend China off.

You want to go troll the Chinese? Do it somewhere else.

[Belagia]

I apologize, however not enough tough language is used against a regime which brutally oppresses religious and ethnic groups while enslaving countries to it's economic tentacles and totalitarian machina.

This is what happens when the rest of the world "dislikes" the USA. You enable an oppressive regime like the PRC by making them seem as the hero, allowing them to get away with crimes against humanity in the modern times.

We should just bomb the Chinese until they give up their will to govern anymore. Fracture China into several different states and let the ROC take back what is rightfully theirs.

Sorry, but this could've all been prevented if the UK kept Hong Kong and allowed NATO to build a gigantic military base in HK to fend China off.

You want to go troll the Chinese? Do it somewhere else.

Not troll the Chinese. I just want to see them fuck off from Hong Kong, which is rightfully it's own land. But no, too many diplomats are absolute light-weights in this scenario.

[Farnhamia]

You want to go troll the Chinese? Do it somewhere else.

Not troll the Chinese. I just want to see them fuck off from Hong Kong, which is rightfully it's own land. But no, too many diplomats are absolute light-weights in this scenario.

Just be careful of your language.

[Bombadil]

With Chinese troops on the boarder to Hong Kong makes you wonder if they are gonna do another Tiananmen Square 1989 event again. If they do, there is gonna be more eyes watching than before.

This time it'll be Tiananmen Squared.

The general feeling here, I think, is that China won't interfere except as a last resort. I think the greater danger is the anger and nationalism they're whipping up in China itself. I suspect most of their video releases showing police and military build up is aimed more at China than at HK exactly.

Ultimately they're probably more focused on containment than sending in the troops.

[Greed and Death]

With Chinese troops on the boarder to Hong Kong makes you wonder if they are gonna do another Tiananmen Square 1989 event again. If they do, there is gonna be more eyes watching than before.

Likely but much worse. I may have been selling the college kids weapons. Including Atomic Annie.

[Nova Cyberia]

This time it'll be Tiananmen Squared.

The general feeling here, I think, is that China won't interfere except as a last resort. I think the greater danger is the anger and nationalism they're whipping up in China itself. I suspect most of their video releases showing police and military build up is aimed more at China than at HK exactly.

Ultimately they're probably more focused on containment than sending in the troops.

Hong Kong's extremely important to China economically. It wouldn't be surprising if they rolled the troops in and we got Tiananmen Square Part.

[Electic]

I don't think anyone can know that for sure. And I'm currently enjoying the market upturn after a half-decade of hell in my personal life. I would take some pretty congruent arguments and data to change my mind.

Long term survival is more important than immediate comfort.
And the US is actually the least dependent on trade of any major economy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... -GDP_ratio

Trade is only one factor though. The issue of China dumping their Treasury holdings of U.S. debt, if their economy tumbles, would be a worst-case scenario for the U.S. consumer economy and have severe consequences for the dollar. If you don't survive in the short-term, the long game doesn't matter I'm afraid.

I don't dispute that. I'd personally prefer to let the UK handle this.
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But some of the protesters do, and are making overtures to America

I'd still say it may be a literal false flag may have been orchestrated by the bolshevists to make the protestors look like tools of american imperialism. Its not hard to answer that question, if this shows up in mainland media, theres a fair chance (33-66%) for it to be the case. If it doesnt its unlikely to be an false flag.

Its a possibility. Would need to find some information pointing to this idea, to making it more likely.

[Rojava Free State]

With Chinese troops on the boarder to Hong Kong makes you wonder if they are gonna do another Tiananmen Square 1989 event again. If they do, there is gonna be more eyes watching than before.

This time it'll be Tienanmen Squared.

More like Tiananmen cubed

[Nakena]

This time it'll be Tienanmen Squared.

More like Tiananmen cubed

Nah it's hip to be square.

It's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends...

[Belagia]

This time it'll be Tienanmen Squared.

More like Tiananmen cubed

And then America will come in and turn all of China into Tiananmen Graham'd.

Don't worry, 100 million people is considered rookie numbers in Chinese History. Coincidentally, 100 million is also a B-2 pilot's wet dream.

Just imagine if Chinese troops stepped a single foot into HK, and the next day the Yangtze is filled with burning Napalm

[Electic]

More like Tiananmen cubed

And then America will come in and turn all of China into Tiananmen Graham'd.

Don't worry, 100 million people is considered rookie numbers in Chinese History. Coincidentally, 100 million is also a B-2 pilot's wet dream.

Just imagine if Chinese troops stepped a single foot into HK, and the next day the Yangtze is filled with burning Napalm

You seem to really enjoy the hypothetical death of Chinese troops/people

[Belagia]

And then America will come in and turn all of China into Tiananmen Graham'd.

Don't worry, 100 million people is considered rookie numbers in Chinese History. Coincidentally, 100 million is also a B-2 pilot's wet dream.

Just imagine if Chinese troops stepped a single foot into HK, and the next day the Yangtze is filled with burning Napalm

You seem to really enjoy the hypothetical death of Chinese troops/people.

Well I enjoy thinking about a couple of ways in getting those communist pigs to finally shut the fuck up about how they're "mighty and powerful" when they can't even tame a tiny damn island like Hong Kong, which is the last-standing bastion of Democracy among the barbarically ruled lands of China. Sometimes in History they just gotta have something like this as a rude awakening to what they've been doing.

[Electic]

Well I enjoy thinking about a couple of ways in getting those communist pigs to finally shut the fuck up about how they're "mighty and powerful" when they can't even tame a tiny damn island like Hong Kong, which is the last-standing bastion of Democracy among the barbarically ruled lands of China. Sometimes in History they just gotta have something like this as a rude awakening to what they've been doing.

Isn't that a petty thing though? Most posts I've seen here are here in support of Hong Kong remaining free. But yours talk repeatedly about nuking, bombing, and otherwise killing human beings (soldiers, civilians, Hong Kongers). Is that constructive, or winning anyone to the side of the"last-standing bastion of Democracy" you say is important?

[Neko-koku]

The general feeling here, I think, is that China won't interfere except as a last resort. I think the greater danger is the anger and nationalism they're whipping up in China itself. I suspect most of their video releases showing police and military build up is aimed more at China than at HK exactly.

Ultimately they're probably more focused on containment than sending in the troops.

Hong Kong's extremely important to China economically. It wouldn't be surprising if they rolled the troops in and we got Tiananmen Square Part.

I suspect that PRC is going to abolish autonomy of Hong Kong altogether and use Singapore as its latest main front organization.

[Neko-koku]

Well I enjoy thinking about a couple of ways in getting those communist pigs to finally shut the fuck up about how they're "mighty and powerful" when they can't even tame a tiny damn island like Hong Kong, which is the last-standing bastion of Democracy among the barbarically ruled lands of China. Sometimes in History they just gotta have something like this as a rude awakening to what they've been doing.

Isn't that a petty thing though? Most posts I've seen here are here in support of Hong Kong remaining free. But yours talk repeatedly about nuking, bombing, and otherwise killing human beings (soldiers, civilians, Hong Kongers). Is that constructive, or winning anyone to the side of the"last-standing bastion of Democracy" you say is important?

Blood is unavoidable in democratizing pretty much any country. In the case of the most historically statist high culture ever, China, it is impossible to do it without major bloodshed. However it still does not require something as deadly as American nuking of China.

P.S. I do have a feeling that both international elites and communists in China want to depopulate China and exterminate most ethnic Chinese worldwide.

[Farnhamia]

You seem to really enjoy the hypothetical death of Chinese troops/people.

Well I enjoy thinking about a couple of ways in getting those communist pigs to finally shut the fuck up about how they're "mighty and powerful" when they can't even tame a tiny damn island like Hong Kong, which is the last-standing bastion of Democracy among the barbarically ruled lands of China. Sometimes in History they just gotta have something like this as a rude awakening to what they've been doing.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

It's not as if I didn't try to convince you to tone down your language.

[Bombadil]

Again, China's primary foreign policy objective is reunification with Taiwan. Aside from historical and political reasons, Taiwan also serves to secure control of the South China Sea.

How they handle HK will very much influence how Taiwan plays out. Move in and crush protests and Taiwan is lost, meaning it would require military force to reunite.

History might review this as a lost cause stand for a small island of 7 million citizens or the spark for something far far worse.

[Neko-koku]

Again, China's primary foreign policy objective is reunification with Taiwan. Aside from historical and political reasons, Taiwan also serves to secure control of the South China Sea.

How they handle HK will very much influence how Taiwan plays out. Move in and crush protests and Taiwan is lost, meaning it would require military force to reunite.

History might review this as a lost cause stand for a small island of 7 million citizens or the spark for something far far worse.

Translation: The most important foreign policy objective of the so-called PRC is to vanquish freedom and prosperity in the only liberal democratic ethnic Chinese entity, Taiwan.

OK. Of course they want that...for the PRC is an enemy of all ethnic Chinese and in fact all of humanity.

[Neko-koku]

Again, China's primary foreign policy objective is reunification with Taiwan. Aside from historical and political reasons, Taiwan also serves to secure control of the South China Sea.

How they handle HK will very much influence how Taiwan plays out. Move in and crush protests and Taiwan is lost, meaning it would require military force to reunite.

History might review this as a lost cause stand for a small island of 7 million citizens or the spark for something far far worse.

As far as I know, the PLA is corrupt as hell and probably can't fight effectively. PLA definitely does not have the ability to occupy Vietnam for example. However ROCAF isn't really an effective armed force either and that Taiwanese don't seem a lot less servile than Chinese elsewhere so occupation of Taiwan may actually work.

[Nakena]

Again, China's primary foreign policy objective is reunification with Taiwan. Aside from historical and political reasons, Taiwan also serves to secure control of the South China Sea.

How they handle HK will very much influence how Taiwan plays out. Move in and crush protests and Taiwan is lost, meaning it would require military force to reunite.

History might review this as a lost cause stand for a small island of 7 million citizens or the spark for something far far worse.

Like what? Confrontation with the ROC remnant anytime soon?

Its a frightening thought.