Hong Kong

[Bear Stearns]

You're a little late to the Party at this point. The only way America can hope to keep China from winning the Game is to overturn the Table.

Let’s do just that. China is heavily reliant on foreign trade. We need to get our allies in Europe, Asia and elsewhere to raise tariffs on China. Cripple their economy.

Very few of our allies would do that. Most of NATO is a joke.

[Thermodolia]

Honestly getting the PAP or PLA to roll in is the best way to make the PRC look bad and gain sympathy.

The PRC knows this. Which is why they have not done it.
The PRC is obviously evil, but not stupid.

As long as the protests are sort of limited in scope, I ageee. I think shutting down the international airport crosses the line. They throw rocks at ms. Lam, well that is what she is there for.
Keeping business and tourists from travelling In and out of country, Now the PRC loses face internationally. That will not go over well. If they think the west is going to come rushing to their side with anything more than sweet words, it is a serious miscalculation they are making.

And we should change that. The West shouldn’t just shrug as if nothing bad will happen

[Electic]

And with that you have consigned millions to their deaths. I hope you like blood on your hands

If you had the power, what would you have the world or the United States do?

As long as the protests are sort of limited in scope, I ageee. I think shutting down the international airport crosses the line. They throw rocks at ms. Lam, well that is what she is there for.
Keeping business and tourists from travelling In and out of country, Now the PRC loses face internationally. That will not go over well. If they think the west is going to come rushing to their side with anything more than sweet words, it is a serious miscalculation they are making.

No new updates yet, but I'm interested to see how world leaders respond. Something telling though, is that "Fredo" (part of the Chris Cuomo deal) is trending on American social media, while Hong Kong is no where to be seen (where I have looked). Talk about priorities.

[Thermodolia]

Let’s do just that. China is heavily reliant on foreign trade. We need to get our allies in Europe, Asia and elsewhere to raise tariffs on China. Cripple their economy.

Very few of our allies would do that. Most of NATO is a joke.

That’s why you pitch the idea of helping Hong Kong. Most of our allies would be glad to stop China in order to help HK because it would be a PR dream for them.

[Novus America]

Honestly getting the PAP or PLA to roll in is the best way to make the PRC look bad and gain sympathy.

The PRC knows this. Which is why they have not done it.
The PRC is obviously evil, but not stupid.

As long as the protests are sort of limited in scope, I ageee. I think shutting down the international airport crosses the line. They throw rocks at ms. Lam, well that is what she is there for.
Keeping business and tourists from travelling In and out of country, Now the PRC loses face internationally. That will not go over well. If they think the west is going to come rushing to their side with anything more than sweet words, it is a serious miscalculation they are making.

The whole point is to make the PRC lose face internationally.
That is the best way to hurt them.

Push them to the point where the only options for them are bad options.

If you are going down anyways go out with a bang, not a whimper.

If you are going to be killed do not beg for mercy. Spit in their face
Die in your feet, not on your knees.

[Thermodolia]

And with that you have consigned millions to their deaths. I hope you like blood on your hands

If you had the power, what would you have the world or the United States do?

Strangle China economically. Have Europe, Asia, and the Americas put high tariffs/block trade from China. PRC relies on exports to stay afloat. Block the trade or make it more expensive and your gonna send China into an economic death spiral.

Then get everyone to move production to places like the US, India, or any nation besides China. Fund rebellions/freedom fighters in Xinjiang and Tibet. Move more warships into the South China Sea as a show of force.

[Novus America]

If you had the power, what would you have the world or the United States do?

Strangle China economically. Have Europe, Asia, and the Americas put high tariffs/block trade from China. PRC relies on exports to stay afloat. Block the trade or make it more expensive and your gonna send China into an economic death spiral.

Then get everyone to move production to places like the US, India, or any nation besides China. Fund rebellions/freedom fighters in Xinjiang and Tibet. Move more warships into the South China Sea as a show of force.

Yes, 100 times this.

[The New California Republic]

They were, but again the integration was extreme, and was a part of the SED in everything but name:



They also had Stasi informants heavily embedded in the NVA, and the vast majority of the recruits had been in the FDJ and Thälmann Pioneers, the youth organizations of the SED. The vast majority of the officers were also SED members.

The PLA requires you to take an oath to defend the party and not the nation. You are also required to be a party member to be in the PLA.

So while the NVA had some party members running the show the PLA is made up of entirely party members. So China is the only nation where its military is actually not apart of the state but of the party.

The main reason for making the NVA look separate from the SED was due to its origins from the KVP section of the police (which was meant to be neutral, at least on paper for the benefit of outside observers); it was to keep up the illusion that it wasn't a military force at all. It was also an attempt to seem like there was a functioning democracy in the GDR, which would have been less convincing if the NVA swore loyalty to one of the parties. And the NVA oath did include references to serving the "Workers and Peasants Government" and socialism, so it was an oath to the party in everything but name. The GDR had a habit of doing things right up to the line of plausible deniability.

[Electic]

If you had the power, what would you have the world or the United States do?

Strangle China economically. Have Europe, Asia, and the Americas put high tariffs/block trade from China. PRC relies on exports to stay afloat. Block the trade or make it more expensive and your gonna send China into an economic death spiral.

Then get everyone to move production to places like the US, India, or any nation besides China. Fund rebellions/freedom fighters in Xinjiang and Tibet. Move more warships into the South China Sea as a show of force.

The blowback to this would be an economic downturn in the United States (or which ever country your from). You would indeed screw up China's economy, but others as well. Everything is too intermingled not to be affected. I don't directly oppose this, but I don't think it would be pretty. Same with the warships to the South China Sea.

I do think the funding of arms to freedom fighters is bad. It has rarely worked out in the favor of those who do it in recent years, as the changing of alliances makes it all too likely that yesterdays rebel friends become tomorrows rebel foes.

[Novus America]

Strangle China economically. Have Europe, Asia, and the Americas put high tariffs/block trade from China. PRC relies on exports to stay afloat. Block the trade or make it more expensive and your gonna send China into an economic death spiral.

Then get everyone to move production to places like the US, India, or any nation besides China. Fund rebellions/freedom fighters in Xinjiang and Tibet. Move more warships into the South China Sea as a show of force.

The blowback to this would be an economic downturn in the United States (or which ever country your from). You would indeed screw up China's economy, but others as well. Everything is too intermingled not to be affected. I don't directly oppose this, but I don't think it would be pretty. Same with the warships to the South China Sea.

I do think the funding of arms to freedom fighters is bad. It has rarely worked out in the favor of those who do it in recent years, as the changing of alliances makes it all too likely that yesterdays rebel friends become tomorrows rebel foes.

Actually the US economy would quickly adjust.
And short term pain is worth it for long term gain.

[Electic]

The blowback to this would be an economic downturn in the United States (or which ever country your from). You would indeed screw up China's economy, but others as well. Everything is too intermingled not to be affected. I don't directly oppose this, but I don't think it would be pretty. Same with the warships to the South China Sea.

I do think the funding of arms to freedom fighters is bad. It has rarely worked out in the favor of those who do it in recent years, as the changing of alliances makes it all too likely that yesterdays rebel friends become tomorrows rebel foes.

Actually the US economy would quickly adjust.
And short term pain is worth it for long term gain.

I don't think anyone can know that for sure. And I'm currently enjoying the market upturn after a half-decade of hell in my personal life. I would take some pretty congruent arguments and data to change my mind.

[Ethel mermania]

And with that you have consigned millions to their deaths. I hope you like blood on your hands

If you had the power, what would you have the world or the United States do?

As long as the protests are sort of limited in scope, I ageee. I think shutting down the international airport crosses the line. They throw rocks at ms. Lam, well that is what she is there for.
Keeping business and tourists from travelling In and out of country, Now the PRC loses face internationally. That will not go over well. If they think the west is going to come rushing to their side with anything more than sweet words, it is a serious miscalculation they are making.

No new updates yet, but I'm interested to see how world leaders respond. Something telling though, is that "Fredo" (part of the Chris Cuomo deal) is trending on American social media, while Hong Kong is no where to be seen (where I have looked). Talk about priorities.

HK was a british protectorate, the US has no security interest there. If anyone in the west were to lead it would have to come out of the commonwealth countries.

[Electic]

HK was a british protectorate, the US has no security interest there. If anyone in the west were to lead it would have to come out of the commonwealth countries.

I don't dispute that. I'd personally prefer to let the UK handle this.

But some of the protesters do, and are making overtures to America

[Novus America]

Actually the US economy would quickly adjust.
And short term pain is worth it for long term gain.

I don't think anyone can know that for sure. And I'm currently enjoying the market upturn after a half-decade of hell in my personal life. I would take some pretty congruent arguments and data to change my mind.

Long term survival is more important than immediate comfort.
And the US is actually the least dependent on trade of any major economy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... -GDP_ratio

[Novus America]

If you had the power, what would you have the world or the United States do?


No new updates yet, but I'm interested to see how world leaders respond. Something telling though, is that "Fredo" (part of the Chris Cuomo deal) is trending on American social media, while Hong Kong is no where to be seen (where I have looked). Talk about priorities.

HK was a british protectorate, the US has no security interest there. If anyone in the west were to lead it would have to come out of the commonwealth countries.

We have a security interest in trolling the PRC on general principles.
Seriously though we should use anything available to PR bludgeon them with.

[Thermodolia]

If you had the power, what would you have the world or the United States do?


No new updates yet, but I'm interested to see how world leaders respond. Something telling though, is that "Fredo" (part of the Chris Cuomo deal) is trending on American social media, while Hong Kong is no where to be seen (where I have looked). Talk about priorities.

HK was a british protectorate, the US has no security interest there. If anyone in the west were to lead it would have to come out of the commonwealth countries.

The hell we don’t. You are currently thinking in a post-modern mindset and not a new Cold War mindset. We can use HK as a way to undermine Chinese standing.

[Bombadil]

Trump's intelligence is slower than my own mother..

“Our Intelligence has informed us that the Chinese Government is moving troops to the Border with Hong Kong. Everyone should be calm and safe!”

Otherwise..

The UK should give Hong Kong citizens full UK nationality as a means of reassurance amid the current standoff with Beijing, the chair of the influential Commons foreign affairs committee has argued.

Tom Tugendhat said this should have happened to people in the formerly British-ruled territory in 1997, when it was handed back to Chinese control, and that doing so now would reassure Hong Kong’s people that they were supported by the UK.

[Nakena]

I don't dispute that. I'd personally prefer to let the UK handle this.
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But some of the protesters do, and are making overtures to America

I'd still say it may be a literal false flag may have been orchestrated by the bolshevists to make the protestors look like tools of american imperialism. Its not hard to answer that question, if this shows up in mainland media, theres a fair chance (33-66%) for it to be the case. If it doesnt its unlikely to be an false flag.

Trump's intelligence is slower than my own mother..

“Our Intelligence has informed us that the Chinese Government is moving troops to the Border with Hong Kong. Everyone should be calm and safe!”

Otherwise..

The UK should give Hong Kong citizens full UK nationality as a means of reassurance amid the current standoff with Beijing, the chair of the influential Commons foreign affairs committee has argued.

Tom Tugendhat said this should have happened to people in the formerly British-ruled territory in 1997, when it was handed back to Chinese control, and that doing so now would reassure Hong Kong’s people that they were supported by the UK.

White House and CIA should obviously hire me. Or you as local sauce.

The citizenship idea is quite lit, i wonder how many of HKers were still british subjects at 1997 and if they kept this status afterwards or not. It seems to be somewhat an overlooked matter.

[Belagia]

At this point, we should just bomb the living shit out of Southern China.

Re-initiate Star Wars so that the Chinese will not counter-attack at all.

Secretly let US companies know they have 36 hours to get out of China before their manufactoriums are targeted as well.

Fire nukes around Hong Kong, irradiate the area so no troops can move in from the north. Also fire nukes at Shanghai and Beijing to completely cripple them.

It may be costly, but what's more costly is letting these Hong Kongers live under communist dogs.

Besides, 20 million is considered rookie numbers to Chinese, historically speaking.

Gun-takers, if you want an example of what happens to you and your rights after you take the guns from the public, look at what the Communist Dogs are doing to Hong Kong, to China, to a beautiful country. Now turned totalitarian, controlled society, more deserving of a bath in hellfire than mere existence.

[Farnhamia]

At this point, we should just bomb the living shit out of Southern China.

Re-initiate Star Wars so that the Chinese will not counter-attack at all.

Secretly let US companies know they have 36 hours to get out of China before their manufactoriums are targeted as well.

Fire nukes around Hong Kong, irradiate the area so no troops can move in from the north. Also fire nukes at Shanghai and Beijing to completely cripple them.

It may be costly, but what's more costly is letting these Hong Kongers live under communist dogs.

Besides, 20 million is considered rookie numbers to Chinese, historically speaking.

Right, so instead of them living under "communist dogs," they'll die under a radioactive cloud. Brilliant.

[Belagia]

The blowback to this would be an economic downturn in the United States (or which ever country your from). You would indeed screw up China's economy, but others as well.

That is what happens when you have fucking idiots on Capitol Hill allowing corporate simpletons to take your honest job and give it to a 15 year-old working for pennies an hour.

Honestly just make it illegal for US companies to outsource, chargeable with treason. They will come back in a heartbeat as soon as armed men knock on the doors of corporate offices.

[Belagia]

At this point, we should just bomb the living shit out of Southern China.

Re-initiate Star Wars so that the Chinese will not counter-attack at all.

Secretly let US companies know they have 36 hours to get out of China before their manufactoriums are targeted as well.

Fire nukes around Hong Kong, irradiate the area so no troops can move in from the north. Also fire nukes at Shanghai and Beijing to completely cripple them.

It may be costly, but what's more costly is letting these Hong Kongers live under communist dogs.

Besides, 20 million is considered rookie numbers to Chinese, historically speaking.

Right, so instead of them living under "communist dogs," they'll die under a radioactive cloud. Brilliant.

Simple, just fire nukes around the Canton Bay, not directly on HK, in the Summer. Then, the radioactive cloud will plague Mainland China instead, making HK the last un-irradiated bastion of civilization in Southern China.

And if I were a Hong Konger, I would die from radiation than to live under communist dogs.

[Farnhamia]

Right, so instead of them living under "communist dogs," they'll die under a radioactive cloud. Brilliant.

Simple, just fire nukes around the Canton Bay, not directly on HK, in the Summer. Then, the radioactive cloud will plague Mainland China instead, making HK the last un-irradiated bastion of civilization in Southern China.

Uh huh.

And when the radiation wafts across the Pacific to the West Coast?

[Belagia]

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Simple, just fire nukes around the Canton Bay, not directly on HK, in the Summer. Then, the radioactive cloud will plague Mainland China instead, making HK the last un-irradiated bastion of civilization in Southern China.

Uh huh.

Man, or at least get the CIA to run arms into Hong Kong.

But those fuckers let the Chinese forbid guns from them, thus rendering them to be the unarmed targets they are right now.

Which is why they are facing the oppression they are right now. If they weren't fucking pussies, maybe those 2 million protesters could rise up with AT LEAST a Glock, or AK? I mean, 2 million is almost the size of the Chinese Military.

[Germanic Templars]

With Chinese troops on the boarder to Hong Kong makes you wonder if they are gonna do another Tiananmen Square 1989 event again. If they do, there is gonna be more eyes watching than before.