Hong Kong

[Novus America]

True. So let us smash the Post Modern, Post-Cold War table into a thousand pieces.
Bring back the Cold War table, but with some modifications of course

Are you also LiberNovusAmericae?

I am not. We are not related at all. Just our names sound similar. They are more US style Libertarian than I am.

[Rojava Free State]

Cops just showed up at the airport yall

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/hong ... index.html

You meant CCP puppets? Yeah.

As far as I'm concerned most police are just puppets of the powers that be.

[Rojava Free State]

Are you also LiberNovusAmericae?

I am not. We are not related at all. Just our names sound similar. They are more US style Libertarian than I am.

Just realized you're not the same person

[Electic]

Are you also LiberNovusAmericae?

I am not. We are not related at all. Just our names sound similar. They are more US style Libertarian than I am.

Ideological twins. Potential nation RP material there.

[Novus America]

I am not. We are not related at all. Just our names sound similar. They are more US style Libertarian than I am.

Ideological twins. Potential nation RP material there.

Ideologically we are different. I take a more economic nationalist, Nordic/third position syncretic economic model, they are in favor of classical liberalism.
They are more Adam Smith, I am more Hamilton/Friedrich List.

[The South Falls]

The protesters are an effective bunch, but the airport violence incited by the chinese police may "allow" the Chinese government a pretense to begin moving in

[The South Falls]

Ideological twins. Potential nation RP material there.

Ideologically we are different. I take a more economic nationalist, Nordic/third position syncretic economic model, they are in favor of classical liberalism.
They are more Adam Smith, I am more Hamilton/Friedrich List.

Ah, Adam smith. So many capitalist boners and wet undergarments

[Novus America]

Ideologically we are different. I take a more economic nationalist, Nordic/third position syncretic economic model, they are in favor of classical liberalism.
They are more Adam Smith, I am more Hamilton/Friedrich List.

Ah, Adam smith. So many capitalist boners and wet undergarments

Well Adam Smith is not for me.
Chad Friedrich List > Virgin Adam Smith, but I am afraid this is wandering far afield.

Suffice to say while Liber and I agree on many things, we disagree on others. We are not the same user, and although not diametrically opposed we are are not in full agreement.
But I see where it is confusing.

[Electic]

Current as of 11am, I believe this is the same group that I posted signing the song "Do You Hear The People Sing" a couple pages back. Passengers (HK and International) not associated with the protest caught in the cross-fire of tear gas canisters*, while trying to board the planes. Police regroup from towards the end of the video, away from the protesters who are using lasers against them. Washington Post, through third party site, reports gun drawn on protesters by policeman who was surrounded and beaten with his own baton for attempting to detain a protester.

*This is mentioned in the video, not shown in the video tmk. Would apperciate a fact check from any interested parties.

[Ethel mermania]

I am not seeing how shutting down the airport is a good idea. Unless the point is to make the PRC roll in.

[Kowani]

I am not seeing how shutting down the airport is a good idea. Unless the point is to make the PRC roll in.

Foreign governments will pay more attention when their citizens are stuck there.

[Novus America]

I am not seeing how shutting down the airport is a good idea. Unless the point is to make the PRC roll in.

Honestly getting the PAP or PLA to roll in is the best way to make the PRC look bad and gain sympathy.

The PRC knows this. Which is why they have not done it.
The PRC is obviously evil, but not stupid.

[Thermodolia]

The UN might not have the authority to tell China to have some restraint but the US and co does. NATO plus Japan, ROK, Vietnam, Thailand and others can all join together and tell China to back the fuck off.

Or else what? They'll start World war III over an island? The US government already knows China abuses people's rights. Have you seen them do anything? No, because our government only points out human rights abuses when it's a country we don't like. When it's china, a major trade partner, it's nothing but cricket noises

Didn’t know that you hated democracy.

[Bear Stearns]

Why are there riots in King Kong?

[Thermodolia]

Only nominally. The NVA wasn’t a literal branch of the party. The the NVA and the party where legally separate entities

They were, but again the integration was extreme, and was a part of the SED in everything but name:

Political control of the armed forces took place through close integration with the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED), which vetted all the officers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... y#Ideology

They also had Stasi informants heavily embedded in the NVA, and the vast majority of the recruits had been in the FDJ and Thälmann Pioneers, the youth organizations of the SED. The vast majority of the officers were also SED members.

The PLA requires you to take an oath to defend the party and not the nation. You are also required to be a party member to be in the PLA.

So while the NVA had some party members running the show the PLA is made up of entirely party members. So China is the only nation where its military is actually not apart of the state but of the party.

[Ethel mermania]

I am not seeing how shutting down the airport is a good idea. Unless the point is to make the PRC roll in.

Foreign governments will pay more attention when their citizens are stuck there.

And they will expect the local government to maintain order and guarentee the safety of their citizens. Which are both being put in jeopardy by the rioters.

[Neko-koku]

Why are there riots in King Kong?

There are no riots in Hong Kong*just CCP puppets beating people.

[Thermodolia]

Only because the idiots in power have too much to lose to grow a spine.

You do realize that a war between nuclear powers would probably end in a nuclear war, right? Imagine the aftermath of Hiroshima times every single city on earth. The end of the world. I'd rather Russia take crimea and China take Hong Kong then have the whole world go down in flames

No it won’t. India and Pakistan are both nuclear powers. They have fought countless times and haven’t once blown each other up with nukes.

I think you are being defeatist and paranoid

[Thermodolia]

Just as an aside, that film has serious errors in it.

Pretty sure we can all agree a nuclear war would be a catastrophe for mankind. May not go down exactly as in threads but we know from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that nukes are horrific weapons

Not really no. While the northern hemisphere would be devastated the rest of the world would continue to live on. Nuclear winter is a farce.

[Bear Stearns]

Why are there riots in King Kong?

There are no riots in Hong Kong*just CCP puppets beating people.

So why are people talking about King Kong?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Foreign governments will pay more attention when their citizens are stuck there.

And they will expect the local government to maintain order and guarentee the safety of their citizens. Which are both being put in jeopardy by the rioters.

Well, they're not exactly safe if they can be extradited to a country with a dismal human rights record so the point is moot.

[Thermodolia]

I take it your answers to my questions are "so what," "i don't know" and "yes." To which my response to your question is: you have to stand up to authoritarians at some point.

I believe in standing up to authoritarians in your own nation. I don't believe in military intervention that could bring about the apocalypse. I support the people of Hong Kong as the fight for freedom but starting a war over an island? no. I'm not willing to die by ICBM strike and I'm not willing to die that way over an island

And with that you have consigned millions to their deaths. I hope you like blood on your hands

[Ethel mermania]

I am not seeing how shutting down the airport is a good idea. Unless the point is to make the PRC roll in.

Honestly getting the PAP or PLA to roll in is the best way to make the PRC look bad and gain sympathy.

The PRC knows this. Which is why they have not done it.
The PRC is obviously evil, but not stupid.

As long as the protests are sort of limited in scope, I ageee. I think shutting down the international airport crosses the line. They throw rocks at ms. Lam, well that is what she is there for.
Keeping business and tourists from travelling In and out of country, Now the PRC loses face internationally. That will not go over well. If they think the west is going to come rushing to their side with anything more than sweet words, it is a serious miscalculation they are making.

[Ethel mermania]

And they will expect the local government to maintain order and guarentee the safety of their citizens. Which are both being put in jeopardy by the rioters.

Well, they're not exactly safe if they can be extradited to a country with a dismal human rights record so the point is moot.

You think the chinese are remotely interested in arresting ex-pats and tourists? These people bring revenue and big business to the country. It's those uppity westernized natives they are after.

[Thermodolia]

I think I agree with that. They must not be allowed to become a superpower.

You're a little late to the Party at this point. The only way America can hope to keep China from winning the Game is to overturn the Table.

Let’s do just that. China is heavily reliant on foreign trade. We need to get our allies in Europe, Asia and elsewhere to raise tariffs on China. Cripple their economy.

In addition to that we need to form a trade bloc which can allow us to crush China economically. Trump has the right idea but is going about it the wrong way by not getting our allies involved.