Hong Kong

[Nakena]

Everyone is always screwed over by the elites.

One way or another.

Just don’t blow up the current LAN party while it’s running pls

"I don't care how many people get beat up by the cops for wanting greater freedoms as long as I can play my vidya games!!!!!!"

In the end they come for the Vidya Games and other private, personal stuff too though. Theres no escape from a totalitarian system.

[Heloin]

Tienanmen was the CCP killing thousands of innocent people because they decided the lives of people angry at a government that made everyone's life worse are worth less then power for a tiny elite.

And averted a civil war in a land with over a billion people followed by foreign backing of various factions

Just cause the CCP says that a Civil War would happen if the Tienanmen protesters succeded in ending one party rule in China doesn't make it true. The CCP have very good reasons for claiming that massacres in Tienanmen Square were justified, they massacred innocent people with no justification. That isn't something that makes a government look good.

[Commonwealth of Hank the Cat]

The Chinese economy continues to rise, overall there continues to be stability and a future for its billion plus population... that’s impressive governance

Now compare that to democratic India which is so much more unstable, poor, and chaotic

I’d say this system works for now

And what happens when bad things happen by Xi's consent?

Shut up? Kill yourself? All in the name of more money?

Most do, if I remember. Suicide problem is getting very large in the mainland.

[Infected Mushroom]

And averted a civil war in a land with over a billion people followed by foreign backing of various factions

That's a very generous interpretation of a bunch of students being shot like dogs for disagreeing with the government.

The alternative was escalation and civil war because China’s economy was fine and the CCP remained powerful and armed

[Duhon]

The issue is in the end they will be replaced by some CCP selected direct cadres and the mainland antics will be implemented in HK too.



I dont know to what extend internet censorship exists in the PRC but I think it is very likely to inflict more than annoyances to your LAN and Steam sessions. Not to mention the Great Firewall, Geoblocking etc.

When that happens, talk to me to see if I’ve changed my mind

It’s possible

We only converse thru the Internet, lol. And something tells me you'd rather shut up and take Xi up the ass, than say anything remotely contrary, when push comes to shove.

[Infected Mushroom]

The Chinese economy continues to rise, overall there continues to be stability and a future for its billion plus population... that’s impressive governance

Now compare that to democratic India which is so much more unstable, poor, and chaotic

I’d say this system works for now

The Chinese economy has been slumping over the last 15 years, compared to the constant rise of the Indian economy. How's that for a "unstable, poor, and chaotic" nation?

India doesn’t impress me

All of it’s stats are behind those of China and as a country it’s far less strong and unified

[Commonwealth of Hank the Cat]

When that happens, talk to me to see if I’ve changed my mind

It’s possible

We only converse thru the Internet, lol. And something tells me you'd rather shut up and take Xi up the ass, than say anything remotely contrary, when push comes to shove.

Xi is right! Tianmen was justified (and never happended)! I don't care as long it's not aimed at me!

[Infected Mushroom]

When that happens, talk to me to see if I’ve changed my mind

It’s possible

We only converse thru the Internet, lol. And something tells me you'd rather shut up and take Xi up the ass, than say anything remotely contrary, when push comes to shove.

Having Xi in such a place would be an unacceptable state of affairs

[Nakena]

When that happens, talk to me to see if I’ve changed my mind

It’s possible

We only converse thru the Internet, lol. And something tells me you'd rather shut up and take Xi up the ass, than say anything remotely contrary, when push comes to shove.

Not when the Steam, MMO or NationStates access gets blocked. Thats where the fun stops.

[Infected Mushroom]

We only converse thru the Internet, lol. And something tells me you'd rather shut up and take Xi up the ass, than say anything remotely contrary, when push comes to shove.

Xi is right! Tianmen was justified (and never happended)! I don't care as long it's not aimed at me!

It happened

[Heloin]

The Chinese economy has been slumping over the last 15 years, compared to the constant rise of the Indian economy. How's that for a "unstable, poor, and chaotic" nation?

India doesn’t impress me

All of it’s stats are behind those of China and as a country it’s far less strong and unified

They're not trying to impress you. But they are at about the same point economically China was in the 90's and quickly getting closer.

[Kowani]

The Chinese economy has been slumping over the last 15 years, compared to the constant rise of the Indian economy. How's that for a "unstable, poor, and chaotic" nation?

India doesn’t impress me

All of it’s stats are behind those of China and as a country it’s far less strong and unified

Perhaps not being as shit to live might be part of it.

[Duhon]

We only converse thru the Internet, lol. And something tells me you'd rather shut up and take Xi up the ass, than say anything remotely contrary, when push comes to shove.

Having Xi in such a place would be an unacceptable state of affairs

So you'll protest even though it might harm you and those near and dear to you even further? Even though that endless Ka-shing will peter out?

What are you, irresponsible? Do you want China to fragment into several states again?

[Commonwealth of Hank the Cat]

India doesn’t impress me

All of it’s stats are behind those of China and as a country it’s far less strong and unified

They're not trying to impress you. But they are at about the same point economically China was in the 90's and quickly getting closer.

I can't find the chart, but if I'm correct, a major part of it is population. India's population is rapidly growing, China's population is rapidly...lowering.

[Bombadil]

China slowly makes everyone's life worse in China, creating a situation were the only way to responds is negatively, and you're chastising the people reacting negatively?

The Chinese economy continues to rise, overall there continues to be stability and a future for its billion plus population... that’s impressive governance

Now compare that to democratic India which is so much more unstable, poor, and chaotic

I’d say this system works for now

Which occurred due to the.. wait for it.. Opening and Reform period. China was liberalising and opening up through to around 2004, Hu Jintao then somewhat tightened control but not to the accelerated degree that Xi Jinping is heading. Your point makes sense up until the point at which China started to regress into a more authoritarian state. My own friends in China feel less happy about where things are going, and less able to speak up about these things. Many are considering means to leave.

For 33-year old Shanghai-resident Lucy Lu, it is her children's education that's driving her towards Australia.

"I feel Chinese education doesn't let people breathe. The pressure is huge," she said.

The mother of two, along with her husband, have employed a migration lawyer to plan a move to Australia, possibly to Melbourne.

They are attracted by the good environment, the more "laid-back" school culture and they have a relative who has lived in Australia for 20 years.

But they are also seeking respite from a country where tremendous economic progress has not always meant improvements in other areas.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-09/ ... e/10214604

[Bombadil]

Spiderman has joined the protests..

https://twitter.com/MsKateLyons/status/ ... 5808861184

[Heloin]

Spiderman has joined the protests..

https://twitter.com/MsKateLyons/status/ ... 5808861184

Spiderman, Spiderman, does whatever a spider can
Protests oppression from the state, he's standing next to Claudia Mo
Look out, here comes the Spiderman

[Bombadil]

Silence from China about protests
On Wednesday, China was conspicuously quiet about the protests that had erupted overnight.

State media like the People’s Daily and Xinhua made no mention of the protests, with their front pages featuring reports on official exchanges between China and Kyrgyzstan or the growth of the Chinese snack industry. Some social media platforms appeared to be censoring discussion of the demonstrations.

Still, reports from Hong Kong are reaching those on the mainland. On the discussion forum Douban, users posted screenshots of foreign news articles about the demonstrations. By Wednesday afternoon, most of those posts and comments had been deleted. On Weibo, searches for “Hong Kong” or for the name of the extradition bill, turned up only results from state media accounts, suggesting censors had blocked results.

Users reading the news expressed support, and acknowledge the history of civil protest in Hong Kong. In response to reports that police in Hong Kong have threatened to use force, one user said: “How dare they threaten to use force? Do they think the international community will stand by like they did in 1989?” said one user, referring to the military crackdown on unarmed protesters in Beijing on 3-4 June, 1989.

Another wrote: “Some young mainland Chinese are too naive. I support Hong Kong people.”

[Duhon]

Serious question: can China abrogate the "one country, two systems" model by itself?

[Heloin]

Serious question: can China abrogate the "one country, two systems" model by itself?

I mean, what's really stopping them?

[Nakena]

Serious question: can China abrogate the "one country, two systems" model by itself?

I mean, what's really stopping them?

RoC might do bad moves if the PRC gets too brutal on HK.

[Duhon]

Serious question: can China abrogate the "one country, two systems" model by itself?

I mean, what's really stopping them?

Optimism?

[Tuthina]

Serious question: can China abrogate the "one country, two systems" model by itself?

Fairly easily if it deemed the cost acceptable compared with preceived benefits. A better question, though, is whether it needs to do so when people in charge in Hong Kong are already fairly aligned to its interest out of their own volition due to benefits.

[North German Realm]

Hong Kong should have been kept as part of the United Kingdom. I'd prefer it if they'd released it as an independent sovereign state, but I honestly doubt many countries would be willing to go to war with China in its defense in that case, but fact remains that it should never have been returned to the People's Republic of China in any capacity. (In all honesty, I'd say the same for an AU where China was the Republic of China too, if it was similar to what Taiwan was until very recently)

[Tuthina]

Hong Kong should have been kept as part of the United Kingdom. I'd prefer it if they'd released it as an independent sovereign state, but I honestly doubt many countries would be willing to go to war with China in its defense in that case, but fact remains that it should never have been returned to the People's Republic of China in any capacity. (In all honesty, I'd say the same for an AU where China was the Republic of China too, if it was similar to what Taiwan was until very recently)

In that case, though, an independent Hong Kong without military protection from many countries would probably be invaded and annexed by PRC before dinner time.