Hong Kong

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

There will be a Hong Kong Thread II at this rate.

Can thank the inept handling of it all.

What annoys me is that a two day riot occurred just over the border, police cars overturned etc., because the local government had promised an eco-park but were quietly building a crematorium.

What was the response?

Crematorium immediately shelved, protestors all granted amnesty and an investigation into what happened.

It's like a slap in the face.

“Let’s stop dissent all across the nation! Let the locals have what they want because we don’t want any Hong Kong scenes here but stop at nothing to shut down the Hong Kong protests which have turned into a massive disaster! Seems okay.”

[Bombadil]

Can thank the inept handling of it all.

What annoys me is that a two day riot occurred just over the border, police cars overturned etc., because the local government had promised an eco-park but were quietly building a crematorium.

What was the response?

Crematorium immediately shelved, protestors all granted amnesty and an investigation into what happened.

It's like a slap in the face.

“Let’s stop dissent all across the nation! Let the locals have what they want because we don’t want any Hong Kong scenes here but stop at nothing to shut down the Hong Kong protests which have turned into a massive disaster! Seems okay.”

It means either that Carrie Lam is genuinely autonomous in dealing with the protests and fucking it up right royally and to a degree psychopathically.. or that China is simply treating HK as second class citizens, with orders to police to just beat the shit out of people with no accountability.

Clearly they know how to solve these things, they just don't care.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

“Let’s stop dissent all across the nation! Let the locals have what they want because we don’t want any Hong Kong scenes here but stop at nothing to shut down the Hong Kong protests which have turned into a massive disaster! Seems okay.”

It means either that Carrie Lam is genuinely autonomous in dealing with the protests and fucking it up right royally and to a degree psychopathically.. or that China is simply treating HK as second class citizens, with orders to police to just beat the shit out of people with no accountability.

Clearly they know how to solve these things, they just don't care.

Apparently, those are the only choices. Other ones would be too outlandish like the theory that Lam is actually helping the protest (wot).

Hopefully, it’s the first one but I also really want this to be a true display of colours by the CCP.

[Bombadil]

It means either that Carrie Lam is genuinely autonomous in dealing with the protests and fucking it up right royally and to a degree psychopathically.. or that China is simply treating HK as second class citizens, with orders to police to just beat the shit out of people with no accountability.

Clearly they know how to solve these things, they just don't care.

Apparently, those are the only choices. Other ones would be too outlandish like the theory that Lam is actually helping the protest (wot).

Hopefully, it’s the first one but I also really want this to be a true display of colours by the CCP.

Pretty sure it's the second, doubt Carrie Lam has much power at all, she's been on tape saying she'd resign if she could.

She can't.

[Pasong Tirad]

“Let’s stop dissent all across the nation! Let the locals have what they want because we don’t want any Hong Kong scenes here but stop at nothing to shut down the Hong Kong protests which have turned into a massive disaster! Seems okay.”

It means either that Carrie Lam is genuinely autonomous in dealing with the protests and fucking it up right royally and to a degree psychopathically.. or that China is simply treating HK as second class citizens, with orders to police to just beat the shit out of people with no accountability.

Clearly they know how to solve these things, they just don't care.

I suppose it also helps that the Guangdong riot didn't get as much press coverage. Only actually heard about it because a video circulated over Twitter of protesters using fireworks against police. Props to them. So, the PRC doesn't actually lose face if they solve that problem quickly and quietly.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Well, as long as Hong Kong holds in, it seems ore likely that China is posturing for war with Taiwan and possibly conquests... they more and more look like nazi Germany did in the 20-30s. Concentration camps, orwellewin dictatorship, they auctally seem more fascist than communist nowadays.. Basically, WW3 is coming in the next 2 decades (at least with China’s current behavior) so hopefully HK will remain unscathed, because it will be freed eventually.

On not so dark and speculative news, I remember seeing a pictchure here of busses with tank tracks, what happened with that ?

PS: never mind, also dark and speculative

[Glorious Hong Kong]

A rare earth company in the United States has found a way to mine rare earths in a way that's both clean and efficient. Also, Japan has discovered its own massive source of rare earths. Add to that Brazil and Vietnam are also major sources of rare earth and it's not looking too good for China. The CCP tried to blackmail us by imposing trade tariffs on rare earths. Looks like the joke's on them. Rare earths aren't really that rare at all. Our side is winning and they're getting increasingly desperate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uV5fvSZFoE

[Bombadil]

So then this happened..

An international panel of experts hired to advise Hong Kong’s police watchdog over its handling of huge pro-democracy protests announced Wednesday they were quitting, in a major setback for the government.

The move came a month after a leaked statement from the group revealed they felt the city’s police watchdog was not equipped to carry out a proper investigation.

Link

It's long been noted that the internal police investigation unit, the IPCC, is inherently biased and stacked with pro-Beijing personel, it is odd how thoroughly co-opted the police are to Beijing's views.

Meanwhile..

In moves likely to heighten frictions between Hong Kong and Beijing, Taiwan’s top diplomat said on Tuesday that his government stands with Hong Kong citizens and would support Hong Kongers fleeing to Taiwan.

The Taiwanese foreign minister, Joseph Wu, said his government had no desire to intervene in Hong Kong’s internal affairs and existing legislation was sufficient to deal with a relatively small number of Hong Kong students or others seeking to reside in Taiwan. Wu said police had responded with disproportionate force to the protests and any intervention by mainland Chinese forces would be a new level of violence that would prompt Taiwan to take a different stance towards helping those seeking to leave Hong Kong.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Imagine somehow, HK is invaided, the world condemns China, the US increases military presence, and Taiwan, does some kind of naval transport extraction for fleeing citizens to escape..

Probably the most dramatic and most likely scenario should China become more aggressive.

[Samadhi]

Imagine somehow, HK is invaided, the world condemns China, the US increases military presence, and Taiwan, does some kind of naval transport extraction for fleeing citizens to escape..

Probably the most dramatic and most likely scenario should China become more aggressive.

China gets aggressive.
Europe and America cut off it's food supply.
China has a new president in a month.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Imagine somehow, HK is invaided, the world condemns China, the US increases military presence, and Taiwan, does some kind of naval transport extraction for fleeing citizens to escape..

Probably the most dramatic and most likely scenario should China become more aggressive.

China gets aggressive.
Europe and America cut off it's food supply.
China has a new president in a month.

Auctally most of its food comes from Africa, it’s wealth came from outsourcing industry, and minerals from Australia... sanctions to grind the economy to a halt and blockades in the south China sea should do it.

[Gim]

Have courage, citizens of Hong Kong! Freedom is choice! Free Hong Kong. That's my opinion. China's stretching this too far.

[Heloin]

China gets aggressive.
Europe and America cut off it's food supply.
China has a new president in a month.

Auctally most of its food comes from Africa, it’s wealth came from outsourcing industry, and minerals from Australia... sanctions to grind the economy to a halt and blockades in the south China sea should do it.

Most of China's food comes from the Americas and EU.

[Gim]

Auctally most of its food comes from Africa, it’s wealth came from outsourcing industry, and minerals from Australia... sanctions to grind the economy to a halt and blockades in the south China sea should do it.

Most of China's food comes from the Americas and EU.

I thought China was self-sufficient. Strong countries like Korea and Japan import food from China at cheap prices.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Imagine somehow, HK is invaided, the world condemns China, the US increases military presence, and Taiwan, does some kind of naval transport extraction for fleeing citizens to escape..

Probably the most dramatic and most likely scenario should China become more aggressive.

China gets aggressive.
Europe and America cut off it's food supply.
China has a new president in a month.

The last time the PRC had a famine not only did the premier stay, he was allowed to restart the civil war. The Chinese elite will impose whatever they want on the population to subdue HK, while the West will throw HK under the bus when one soldier stubs his toe and they realize they can just bank in Singapore instead

[Gim]

China gets aggressive.
Europe and America cut off it's food supply.
China has a new president in a month.

The last time the PRC had a famine not only did the premier stay, he was allowed to restart the civil war. The Chinese elite will impose whatever they want on the population to subdue HK, while the West will throw HK under the bus when one soldier stubs his toe and they realize they can just bank in Singapore instead

If U.S. intervenes in the conflict, China is toast.

[Taihei Tengoku]

The last time the PRC had a famine not only did the premier stay, he was allowed to restart the civil war. The Chinese elite will impose whatever they want on the population to subdue HK, while the West will throw HK under the bus when one soldier stubs his toe and they realize they can just bank in Singapore instead

If U.S. intervenes in the conflict, China is toast.

They are far closer to Juche, the most resilient ideology, than the liberal West, and if a bunch of retirees starve then whatever, saves them the trouble of having to liquidate the assets of the living.

[Gim]

If U.S. intervenes in the conflict, China is toast.

They are far closer to Juche, the most resilient ideology, than the liberal West, and if a bunch of retirees starve then whatever, saves them the trouble of having to liquidate the assets of the living.

Hong Kong? I thought Hong Kong was more liberal than that.

[Taihei Tengoku]

They are far closer to Juche, the most resilient ideology, than the liberal West, and if a bunch of retirees starve then whatever, saves them the trouble of having to liquidate the assets of the living.

Hong Kong? I thought Hong Kong was more liberal than that.

China. They hold the initiative, since none of the long-term trends favored Hong Kong when this all began and none of them favor Hong Kong now. Even some short-term trends are getting worse

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Auctally most of its food comes from Africa, it’s wealth came from outsourcing industry, and minerals from Australia... sanctions to grind the economy to a halt and blockades in the south China sea should do it.

Most of China's food comes from the Americas and EU.

I pretty shure that’s incorrect ....

[Bombadil]

Most of China's food comes from the Americas and EU.

I thought China was self-sufficient. Strong countries like Korea and Japan import food from China at cheap prices.

They're currently screwed for pork given they allowed swine flu to infect the whole country, there's not enough pork in the world right now to feed China.

Pork prices in China surged in November, pushing the country’s consumer price inflation to its highest level in eight years, official government data showed on Tuesday.

According to the National Bureau of Statistics, pork prices rose 110% in November compared to a year ago. In October, pork prices rose 101% from a year ago.

[Heloin]

Most of China's food comes from the Americas and EU.

I thought China was self-sufficient. Strong countries like Korea and Japan import food from China at cheap prices.

China is a net importer on just about everything aside from general industrial goods and cheap dollar store tat. Sure China does export food, but it doesn't make enough on it's own to feed it's population.

[Gim]

I thought China was self-sufficient. Strong countries like Korea and Japan import food from China at cheap prices.

China is a net importer on just about everything aside from general industrial goods and cheap dollar store tat. Sure China does export food, but it doesn't make enough on it's own to feed it's population.

Oof, quite ironic. Maybe, they should focus on feeding their own people before exporting food?

[Heloin]

Most of China's food comes from the Americas and EU.

I pretty shure that’s incorrect ....

The richer African nations that have good farming economies generally trade with other countries before China. The poorer ones trade with China, but those are the ones that don't produce a whole lot for export. China's imports from food overwhelmingly come from the Americas and the EU.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

China is a net importer on just about everything aside from general industrial goods and cheap dollar store tat. Sure China does export food, but it doesn't make enough on it's own to feed it's population.

Oof, quite ironic. Maybe, they should focus on feeding their own people before exporting food?

What they export isint anything if nutritional significance, it’s like half a percentage or so thin gtiny (I think)
(Also, don’t have a source for this one).