Hong Kong

[Novus America]

This is BS. The PRC “justice” system is infamous for politicization, lack of due process, lack of rights for the accused, zero transparency, and of course punishing people for political opinions.

I’m sure they would use this tool with restraint in HK because the media would report its use every time

Considering they already have disappeared Hong Kongers with no due process at all, grabbing them an hauling them off to the mainland this is obviously not the case.

[Bombadil]

Like the booksellers they whisked out of HK and into China?

This only legalises what they've already done, which is essentially to clamp down on free speech.

So they aren't actually getting criminals, just dissenters, or in this case, just literally anyone. Go figure.

There used to be businesses that sold just two things, milk powder and books on China, catering to the mainland audiences. Plenty have shut down rather than be targeted..

One of Hong Kong’s leading international bookshop chains has removed politically sensitive books from its shelves in the wake of the mysterious disappearance of five of the city’s booksellers, stoking fears over mounting self-censorship in the former British colony.

Page One, a major Singapore chain, with outlets in both Hong Kong and mainland China, has decided to stop selling all politically sensitive books in Chinese – known locally as “jinshu”, or “forbidden books” – in its Hong Kong shops, as the mystery over the whereabouts of the five vanished men deepens.

The chain, which specialises in graphic design and visual art volumes, had been limiting the number of political books it sold ever since clinching a deal a few years ago with authorities to expand its operations in the mainland – where no Chinese-language “sensitive” political books published in Hong Kong are allowed for distribution.

However, until recently Page One’s outlet in the departure hall of Hong Kong airport had continued to cater to the strong appetite of mainland Chinese travellers for volumes on political intrigue and gossip.

That has now changed. A bookshop clerk confirmed that politically sensitive tomes, such as those produced by the missing booksellers, would no longer be stocked.

“I know the books you mention. The politics books. We have sold out on those titles and will not be receiving any new stocks,” the clerk, who declined to give his name, told the Guardian.

“We are not going to sell them again. I think you can understand.”

That is self-censorship as a result of China's actions, illegal actions I might say. This is the subtle effect, that HK stops freedom of speech out of fear of retribution and this law simply allows for that retribution to be legal and quiet rather than create a commotion.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So they aren't actually getting criminals, just dissenters, or in this case, just literally anyone. Go figure.

There used to be businesses that sold just two things, milk powder and books on China, catering to the mainland audiences. Plenty have shut down rather than be targeted..

One of Hong Kong’s leading international bookshop chains has removed politically sensitive books from its shelves in the wake of the mysterious disappearance of five of the city’s booksellers, stoking fears over mounting self-censorship in the former British colony.

Page One, a major Singapore chain, with outlets in both Hong Kong and mainland China, has decided to stop selling all politically sensitive books in Chinese – known locally as “jinshu”, or “forbidden books” – in its Hong Kong shops, as the mystery over the whereabouts of the five vanished men deepens.

The chain, which specialises in graphic design and visual art volumes, had been limiting the number of political books it sold ever since clinching a deal a few years ago with authorities to expand its operations in the mainland – where no Chinese-language “sensitive” political books published in Hong Kong are allowed for distribution.

However, until recently Page One’s outlet in the departure hall of Hong Kong airport had continued to cater to the strong appetite of mainland Chinese travellers for volumes on political intrigue and gossip.

That has now changed. A bookshop clerk confirmed that politically sensitive tomes, such as those produced by the missing booksellers, would no longer be stocked.

“I know the books you mention. The politics books. We have sold out on those titles and will not be receiving any new stocks,” the clerk, who declined to give his name, told the Guardian.

“We are not going to sell them again. I think you can understand.”

That is self-censorship as a result of China's actions, illegal actions I might say. This is the subtle effect, that HK stops freedom of speech out of fear of retribution and this law simply allows for that retribution to be legal and quiet rather than create a commotion.

That's blatant imperialism

[Infected Mushroom]

I’m sure they would use this tool with restraint in HK because the media would report its use every time

Considering they already have disappeared Hong Kongers with no due process at all, grabbing them an hauling them off to the mainland this is obviously not the case.

I disagree with that

It wouldn’t be worth using except on actual criminals

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Considering they already have disappeared Hong Kongers with no due process at all, grabbing them an hauling them off to the mainland this is obviously not the case.

I disagree with that

It wouldn’t be worth using except on actual criminals

Bombadil already debunked that lie, IM.

[Loben The 2nd]

Considering they already have disappeared Hong Kongers with no due process at all, grabbing them an hauling them off to the mainland this is obviously not the case.

I disagree with that

It wouldn’t be worth using except on actual criminals

I don’t think Beijing cares whether or not you agree with them.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Considering they already have disappeared Hong Kongers with no due process at all, grabbing them an hauling them off to the mainland this is obviously not the case.

I disagree with that

It wouldn’t be worth using except on actual criminals

Or political dissidents.

[New haven america]

Considering they already have disappeared Hong Kongers with no due process at all, grabbing them an hauling them off to the mainland this is obviously not the case.

I disagree with that

It wouldn’t be worth using except on actual criminals

The Chinese government viewed them as actual criminals though, even though they've done nothing to deserve that label.

[Infected Mushroom]

There’s far more than 1 million people living in HK

Most of us are not interested in starting a war with China

False dichotomies are fun, aren't they? Because clearly the only options are to bend over to Beijing or for the PLA to send in the tanks and shoot everybody up ala Tiananmen.

Twisting facts to fit your narrative are also fun. Such as somehow diminishing the number of 1 million to "not all people," which is technically true, except when you take into consideration that there are around 7 million people living in Hong Kong and 1 out of 7 - which went to a high of around 2 out of 7 when over 2 million people went out to a march - is a pretty big fucking deal.

It shows that the majority (wisely) don’t want to risk starting a war

[Galloism]

So they aren't actually getting criminals, just dissenters, or in this case, just literally anyone. Go figure.

There used to be businesses that sold just two things, milk powder and books on China, catering to the mainland audiences. Plenty have shut down rather than be targeted..

One of Hong Kong’s leading international bookshop chains has removed politically sensitive books from its shelves in the wake of the mysterious disappearance of five of the city’s booksellers, stoking fears over mounting self-censorship in the former British colony.

Page One, a major Singapore chain, with outlets in both Hong Kong and mainland China, has decided to stop selling all politically sensitive books in Chinese – known locally as “jinshu”, or “forbidden books” – in its Hong Kong shops, as the mystery over the whereabouts of the five vanished men deepens.

The chain, which specialises in graphic design and visual art volumes, had been limiting the number of political books it sold ever since clinching a deal a few years ago with authorities to expand its operations in the mainland – where no Chinese-language “sensitive” political books published in Hong Kong are allowed for distribution.

However, until recently Page One’s outlet in the departure hall of Hong Kong airport had continued to cater to the strong appetite of mainland Chinese travellers for volumes on political intrigue and gossip.

That has now changed. A bookshop clerk confirmed that politically sensitive tomes, such as those produced by the missing booksellers, would no longer be stocked.

“I know the books you mention. The politics books. We have sold out on those titles and will not be receiving any new stocks,” the clerk, who declined to give his name, told the Guardian.

“We are not going to sell them again. I think you can understand.”

That is self-censorship as a result of China's actions, illegal actions I might say. This is the subtle effect, that HK stops freedom of speech out of fear of retribution and this law simply allows for that retribution to be legal and quiet rather than create a commotion.

Sounds like you all might need to be liberated.

[Infected Mushroom]

I disagree with that

It wouldn’t be worth using except on actual criminals

The Chinese government viewed them as actual criminals though, even though they've done nothing to deserve that label.

If they have broken Chinese laws, then they are criminals

There’s nothing more to it

If political dissent is a crime, then it follows logically that dissenters are criminals

[Galloism]

I disagree with that

It wouldn’t be worth using except on actual criminals

Or political dissidents.

From the perspective of the Chinese government, that’s the same thing.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

There used to be businesses that sold just two things, milk powder and books on China, catering to the mainland audiences. Plenty have shut down rather than be targeted..

One of Hong Kong’s leading international bookshop chains has removed politically sensitive books from its shelves in the wake of the mysterious disappearance of five of the city’s booksellers, stoking fears over mounting self-censorship in the former British colony.

Page One, a major Singapore chain, with outlets in both Hong Kong and mainland China, has decided to stop selling all politically sensitive books in Chinese – known locally as “jinshu”, or “forbidden books” – in its Hong Kong shops, as the mystery over the whereabouts of the five vanished men deepens.

The chain, which specialises in graphic design and visual art volumes, had been limiting the number of political books it sold ever since clinching a deal a few years ago with authorities to expand its operations in the mainland – where no Chinese-language “sensitive” political books published in Hong Kong are allowed for distribution.

However, until recently Page One’s outlet in the departure hall of Hong Kong airport had continued to cater to the strong appetite of mainland Chinese travellers for volumes on political intrigue and gossip.

That has now changed. A bookshop clerk confirmed that politically sensitive tomes, such as those produced by the missing booksellers, would no longer be stocked.

“I know the books you mention. The politics books. We have sold out on those titles and will not be receiving any new stocks,” the clerk, who declined to give his name, told the Guardian.

“We are not going to sell them again. I think you can understand.”

That is self-censorship as a result of China's actions, illegal actions I might say. This is the subtle effect, that HK stops freedom of speech out of fear of retribution and this law simply allows for that retribution to be legal and quiet rather than create a commotion.

Sounds like you all might need to be liberated.

Tfw I actually support this statement

[Loben The 2nd]

The Chinese government viewed them as actual criminals though, even though they've done nothing to deserve that label.

If they have broken Chinese laws, then they are criminals

There’s nothing more to it

If political dissent is a crime, then it follows logically that dissenters are criminals

Well ain’t that just a crock of sheiiiiit.

[Infected Mushroom]

Or political dissidents.

From the perspective of the Chinese government, that’s the same thing.

Indeed

[Pasong Tirad]

False dichotomies are fun, aren't they? Because clearly the only options are to bend over to Beijing or for the PLA to send in the tanks and shoot everybody up ala Tiananmen.

Twisting facts to fit your narrative are also fun. Such as somehow diminishing the number of 1 million to "not all people," which is technically true, except when you take into consideration that there are around 7 million people living in Hong Kong and 1 out of 7 - which went to a high of around 2 out of 7 when over 2 million people went out to a march - is a pretty big fucking deal.

It shows that the majority (wisely) don’t want to risk starting a war

No it fucking doesn't. Literally nobody but people who want to discredit the protestors is talking about war. Literally fucking nobody.

Considering they already have disappeared Hong Kongers with no due process at all, grabbing them an hauling them off to the mainland this is obviously not the case.

I disagree with that

It wouldn’t be worth using except on actual criminals

You're either really, really naive about what Beijing wants or you're being disingenuous in order to derail people's attempts to support the protestors in their fight against Beijing, and I'm not sure which is worse.

[Nakena]

I disagree with that

It wouldn’t be worth using except on actual criminals

I don’t think Beijing cares whether or not you agree with them.

Wait till they come for Steam access and stuff.

[Dooom35796821595]

The Chinese government viewed them as actual criminals though, even though they've done nothing to deserve that label.

If they have broken Chinese laws, then they are criminals

There’s nothing more to it

If political dissent is a crime, then it follows logically that dissenters are criminals

Just wait until they outlaw breathing, then you’re in trouble.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The Chinese government viewed them as actual criminals though, even though they've done nothing to deserve that label.

If they have broken Chinese laws, then they are criminals

There’s nothing more to it

If political dissent is a crime, then it follows logically that dissenters are criminals

Welp, it was bound to happen y'all. Political dissent is a legitimate crime lol

[Galloism]

From the perspective of the Chinese government, that’s the same thing.

Indeed

That’s not a good thing when you can be disappeared for having the wrong opinion.

I look forward to China banning game of thrones for promoting incest.

[New haven america]

The Chinese government viewed them as actual criminals though, even though they've done nothing to deserve that label.

If they have broken Chinese laws, then they are criminals

There’s nothing more to it

If political dissent is a crime, then it follows logically that dissenters are criminals

Chinese law doesn't apply to Hong Kong and Macau, deary.

You think someone would've researched this shit before moving over there.

[Infected Mushroom]

If they have broken Chinese laws, then they are criminals

There’s nothing more to it

If political dissent is a crime, then it follows logically that dissenters are criminals

Chinese law doesn't apply to Hong Kong and Macau, deary.

You think someone would've researched this shit before moving over there.

What about by 2047?

[Infected Mushroom]

Indeed

That’s not a good thing when you can be disappeared for having the wrong opinion.

I look forward to China banning game of thrones for promoting incest.

I don’t

[New haven america]

Chinese law doesn't apply to Hong Kong and Macau, deary.

You think someone would've researched this shit before moving over there.

What about by 2047?

You mean 2049?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You're either really, really naive about what Beijing wants or you're being disingenuous in order to derail people's attempts to support the protestors in their fight against Beijing, and I'm not sure which is worse.

Well some Chinese mainlanders are as brainwashed as IM is, so it's possible he actually believes this