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Infected Mushroom wrote:

Pasong Tirad wrote:I too love unironically dreaming of a more Balkanized mainland. But even if just Hong Kong and Taiwan got their independence I'd be 10x happier.

And I’m telling you that’s a highly irresponsible point of view because millions will be killed for some lofty idea of Freedom

Which is more irresponsible: protesting knowing the risks involved, or shutting up till the kettle explodes?

Some updates..

1. The second reading is not halted, it's only delayed to a later time and that could mean today or tomorrow or whenever though they're essentially determined to push it through on June 20th regardless.

2. 12:05PM
Road block
More than 100 protesters have moved more metal barricades to the eastbound lane of Queensway outside the High Court. A crowd is gradually building up, occupying the lane.

The fights I saw this morning were based around people moving barricades, that's where trouble will start. In Tamar Park it's relatively peaceful, it's the road area around Admiralty Centre and the High Courts that's contentious.

Why doesn't China just crown Xi as Emperor and get it over with already?

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Heloin wrote:Ok... You just opened a completely different can of worms unrelated to this thread because I didn't think anyone would ever reasonably say yes to that question.

I believe European Empires brought a great deal of world stability

I prefer it to the new model of irresponsible “pro-freedom” imperialism used by countries like the USA where they enter, destabilize a country, and leave no functional government for a while

…Did you sleep through history class or something?

What I am additionally concerned about is the current CCP leadership. I do not believe this would have happened this way under lets say Jiang Zemin or so.

China just needs to chill the fuck out already, it’s been 70 years now.

Infected Mushroom wrote:But on most other fronts, things are quite acceptable

You say that until they come for all the shows, movies, video games and websites you like and heavily censor or outright ban them completely.

Nova Cyberia wrote:Why doesn't China just crown Xi as Emperor and get it over with already?

Because they like the pretence that they aren't actually the Imperialistic Empire that they are.

Nakena wrote:What I am concerned about is the current CCP leadership. I do not believe this would have happened this way under lets say Jiang Zemin or so.

Yeah, we're going through the first iteration of the xiaohuangdi's of the original leadership gaining power, with all the entitlement and self-obsession that comes with that.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:China just needs to chill the fuck out already, it’s been 70 years now.

Infected Mushroom wrote:But on most other fronts, things are quite acceptable

You say that until they come for all the shows, movies, video games and websites you like and heavily censor or outright ban them completely.

Thats exactly what I am saying. Because this is what happens under totalitarian Xi-China.

Nova Cyberia wrote:Why doesn't China just crown Xi as Emperor and get it over with already?

Why do that when Tibetans already worship you -- and by "worship" I mean "literally prostrate themselves before pictures of Xi that they must buy or else"?

Duhon wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
And I’m telling you that’s a highly irresponsible point of view because millions will be killed for some lofty idea of Freedom

Which is more irresponsible: protesting knowing the risks involved, or shutting up till the kettle explodes?

Protesting is in effect daring the kettle to explode sooner

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Duhon wrote:
Which is more irresponsible: protesting knowing the risks involved, or shutting up till the kettle explodes?

Protesting is in effect daring the kettle to explode sooner

Good, totalitarianism in China needs to die ASAP.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Duhon wrote:
Which is more irresponsible: protesting knowing the risks involved, or shutting up till the kettle explodes?

Protesting is in effect daring the kettle to explode sooner

Protests are a side effect of bigger problems, not people actively trying to make things worse.

Bombadil wrote:

Nakena wrote:What I am concerned about is the current CCP leadership. I do not believe this would have happened this way under lets say Jiang Zemin or so.

Yeah, we're going through the first iteration of the xiaohuangdi's of the original leadership gaining power, with all the entitlement and self-obsession that comes with that.

If that is so then it is one more reason for this;

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Protesting is in effect daring the kettle to explode sooner

Good, totalitarianism in China needs to die ASAP.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Protesting is in effect daring the kettle to explode sooner

Good, totalitarianism in China needs to die ASAP.

There is no totalitarianism in China, at best it’s mild authoritarianism

Infected Mushroom wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Good, totalitarianism in China needs to die ASAP.

There is no totalitarianism in China, at best it’s mild authoritarianism

That one really depends on where you are.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Good, totalitarianism in China needs to die ASAP.

There is no totalitarianism in China, at best it’s mild authoritarianism

Are you sure about this? After all it is you who's at the frontline.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Duhon wrote:
Which is more irresponsible: protesting knowing the risks involved, or shutting up till the kettle explodes?

Protesting is in effect daring the kettle to explode sooner

Whatever complaints you may have won't go away. They're bound to build up -- too much of it and you explode. Too much quashing of dissent and things explode, revolts happen, shit gets real.

Protesting, in contrast, is there to let off some steam while rudely informing those in power that you are not alright.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Good, totalitarianism in China needs to die ASAP.

There is no totalitarianism in China, at best it’s mild authoritarianism

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

Also:

>social credit scores dictate quality of life
>rising inequality
>lack of political and civil freedoms such as freedom of assembly and freedom of speech, not even free and open elections
>millions of uighurs and tibetans constantly oppressed for being uighur and tibetan
>political crackdown in hong kong because hong kong doesn't want to be ruled by Beijing

"mild authoritarianism"

I've seen mild authoritarianism. I've lived it. This ain't it.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Protesting is in effect daring the kettle to explode sooner

Good, totalitarianism in China needs to die ASAP.

Maybe, but I doubt many would like to be in the kettle when it explodes, so to speak.

Nakena wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
There is no totalitarianism in China, at best it’s mild authoritarianism

Are you sure about this? After all it is you who's at the frontline.

If it were a totalitarian state then I’d be hearing whispers everywhere about friends, relatives, acquaintances vanishing or being mysteriously detained

I’d see a lot more military uniforms around

Word from my contacts through China tell me things are still quite chill

Infected Mushroom wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Good, totalitarianism in China needs to die ASAP.

There is no totalitarianism in China, at best it’s mild authoritarianism

Rich China is mildly authoritarian cause you don't want to scare away foreign monies. the rest of China ranges from totalitarian to concentration camps.

Pasong Tirad wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
There is no totalitarianism in China, at best it’s mild authoritarianism

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

Also:

>social credit scores dictate quality of life
>rising inequality
>lack of political and civil freedoms such as freedom of assembly and freedom of speech, not even free and open elections
>millions of uighurs and tibetans constantly oppressed for being uighur and tibetan
>political crackdown in hong kong because hong kong doesn't want to be ruled by Beijing

"mild authoritarianism"

I've seen mild authoritarianism. I've lived it. This ain't it.

Then what to you is mild authoritarianism?

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Nakena wrote:
Are you sure about this? After all it is you who's at the frontline.

If it were a totalitarian state then I’d be hearing whispers everywhere about friends, relatives, acquaintances vanishing or being mysteriously detained

I’d see a lot more military uniforms around

Word from my contacts through China tell me things are still quite chill

East Turkestan.