Hong Kong

[Taihei Tengoku]

I know "who declare who make proof". But I commit it's really hard to find my proof. The reporter such as the n-words is forbidden in western world is so impressive that I concern itself more than record the sourse. I don't know there can be one day that I have to use it as an argument. This situation is quite common isn't it?

You're making a fine effort at filling out this board.

As if winning an argument means you impose your preferences on the real world. This is even worse than reddit, because people cannot gift you premium membership here.

[Tuthina]

And IM is back again, as expected. Funnily enough, when they talk about the post-election calmness, they seem content to ignore the procession on December 1 where the police decide to launch tear gas canisters to the procession despite giving approval to it previously, as well as the fact that the police has changed its "reasoning" on firing tear gas several times, each time happening after the previous reason has been debunked. It's almost like the police is run by habitual liars who don't bother with making believable excuses, knowing full well that we can't do anything about it.

The only reason the Police aren't starting violence right now is because China know's it's not in it's best interest. Remember, we now have overwhelming proof that the People of Hong Kong support the protests and the world at large is turning against China.

It's almost like the predominant reason why protesters adopt violence as part of their tactics is because the police do so first (case in point, the aforementioned December 1 procession compared with the one on December . I feel that one of the reasons the police has (relatively speaking) been less trigger-happy is because the landslide defeat of pro-government parties in the aforementioned election finally manage to make the government pressuring the police not to demolish what remains of the pro-government voter base.

[Heloin]

And IM is back again, as expected. Funnily enough, when they talk about the post-election calmness, they seem content to ignore the procession on December 1 where the police decide to launch tear gas canisters to the procession despite giving approval to it previously, as well as the fact that the police has changed its "reasoning" on firing tear gas several times, each time happening after the previous reason has been debunked. It's almost like the police is run by habitual liars who don't bother with making believable excuses, knowing full well that we can't do anything about it.

The only way to defend the Hong Kong Police at this point is lying. People can't pretend that there is some silent majority supporting the HKPF, people can't pretend that the protesters don't have overwhelming support, so the last course of action left is just to lie.

[Propheticum]

Pretty bad, thank god most people don't remember about those!

You're clearly not an American if you think people don't know about the Japanese-American interment camps.

Let's be honest here. Relatively few people know anything about history. If you go outside and ask 10 people who America nuked ww2, at least 1 person will say Russia.

[Heloin]

You're clearly not an American if you think people don't know about the Japanese-American interment camps.

Let's be honest here. Relatively few people know anything about history. If you go outside and ask 10 people who America nuked ww2, at least 1 person will say Russia.

I'd make the safe bet that literally no one over the age of 8 would say anything besides Japan.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Honk Kong has always been the territory of China(Whichever incarnation that might represent), so it would've been a matter of time before Hong Kong was reconquered or set up as a puppet state. I believe the best option would've been to leave Hong Kong, and give sovereignty to China.
Of course there's a mass difference in philosophy, which is shown well here. However it must be understood that some countries have greatly different philosophies, as do their populations. Forcing a certain philosophy onto a standing culture always leads to issues down the line.
The example being the very core of the inquiry. By the UK's intervention, Hong Kong is now facing severe issues due to a large difference in ideology that had been sown many years prior.

Thus, I believe intervening further can only cause more issues. Another great example of good intentions gone wrong is in the Middle East. Due to the extensive meddling of what is "best" there is still a cascading column of dominoes crashing down.

The world must understand as a now international body that a country's sovereignty should be sacrosanct. To do anything to offend that can, and will cause harm. Afterall even down to human rights violations. It is in the hands of the oppressed to free themselves or bend. To take that responsibility away from them will remove any true independence that might be had.

We all want to be the hero, to do what we think best. However sometimes what we think is best isn't always so. In reality, our best is rarely the best for everyone else. So sometimes, it's best to let go, and allow mediation.

The people got a taste of liberty and freedoms.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

And IM is back again, as expected. Funnily enough, when they talk about the post-election calmness, they seem content to ignore the procession on December 1 where the police decide to launch tear gas canisters to the procession despite giving approval to it previously, as well as the fact that the police has changed its "reasoning" on firing tear gas several times, each time happening after the previous reason has been debunked. It's almost like the police is run by habitual liars who don't bother with making believable excuses, knowing full well that we can't do anything about it.

The only reason the Police aren't starting violence right now is because China know's it's not in it's best interest. Remember, we now have overwhelming proof that the People of Hong Kong support the protests and the world at large is turning against China.

It's almost like the predominant reason why protesters adopt violence as part of their tactics is because the police do so first (case in point, the aforementioned December 1 procession compared with the one on December . I feel that one of the reasons the police has (relatively speaking) been less trigger-happy is because the landslide defeat of pro-government parties in the aforementioned election finally manage to make the government pressuring the police not to demolish what remains of the pro-government voter base.

It’s good to know trump is not the only kind of his species.

[Propheticum]

Let's be honest here. Relatively few people know anything about history. If you go outside and ask 10 people who America nuked ww2, at least 1 person will say Russia.

I'd make the safe bet that literally no one over the age of 8 would say anything besides Japan.

Oof. Honestly, you're either not American, or you're so uninvolved in modern society that you underestimate how stupid we really are.

[Pasong Tirad]

The cops are there to keep the peace. The new police chief is much more effective. That is, stopping rioter supply lines, and confiscating molotovs.

He’s pretty good right?

Violent street clashes have gone down markedly since he took office. It seems that most of the really violent protestors were arrested in the Tsim Sha Tsui/Polyu battles. These two-three weeks have been comparatively and overwhelmingly peaceful. Even that march on Sunday didn’t turn violent.

3 weeks ago there were constant updates on my phone about the protestors attacking this or that (I even ran into them on the way home)... but ever since the elections, it’s been really really quiet. It appears that the police have gained ground and that the new commissioner has done a good job identifying and arresting the most violent people in the movement (the ones who vandalize train stations and throw bombs).

For the first time in months, I feel hope that things can return to normal.

I’m also truly amazed that Carrie Lam has stood firmly to the principles of law and order and has not backed down under the threat of mob rule. While I don’t agree with every aspect of her approach to handling the protests, she’s still the leader Hong Kong and China need. Under a different leader, the economy of HK may have collapsed but this didn’t happen and for that I am thankful.

Hopefully we can have a peaceful Christmas and New Year here in Hong Kong. And during such time there will be no further rioting.

Oh. You're back.

[Gim]

You're clearly not an American if you think people don't know about the Japanese-American interment camps.

Let's be honest here. Relatively few people know anything about history. If you go outside and ask 10 people who America nuked ww2, at least 1 person will say Russia.

Japan is pretty irrelevant, that's why.

[Genivaria]

You're clearly not an American if you think people don't know about the Japanese-American interment camps.

Let's be honest here. Relatively few people know anything about history. If you go outside and ask 10 people who America nuked ww2, at least 1 person will say Russia.

Boy that's a stupid claim to make, you're lucky you didn't put money on that.

[Gim]

Let's be honest here. Relatively few people know anything about history. If you go outside and ask 10 people who America nuked ww2, at least 1 person will say Russia.

Boy that's a stupid claim to make, you're lucky you didn't put money on that.

Everyone has different opinions.

[Pasong Tirad]

You're clearly not an American if you think people don't know about the Japanese-American interment camps.

Let's be honest here. Relatively few people know anything about history. If you go outside and ask 10 people who America nuked ww2, at least 1 person will say Russia.

If you go outside and ask 10 people what they know about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, what do you think they're going to say?

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

And just a few weeks into self-imposed exile, our dear psychedelic mushroom friend is back again!
I can only wonder what’s gone through their head ever since.

He’s pretty good right?

He’s quite intentionally continuing the supression and opression of said protest movement. Said protest movement has been dominating local and international headlines for quite a while, and it’s clear that everyone asides from pro-CCP locals, pro-CCP Chinese and CCP defenders (online or not) agree that the police have gone too far on this one.

Violent street clashes have gone down markedly since he took office. It seems that most of the really violent protestors were arrested in the Tsim Sha Tsui/Polyu battles. These two-three weeks have been comparatively and overwhelmingly peaceful. Even that march on Sunday didn’t turn violent.

Because none of these movements truly wanted violence anyways, they’re just responding in kind to your police throwing around everything they can to crush the movement and applying multitudes of excuses at presscons.

3 weeks ago there were constant updates on my phone about the protestors attacking this or that (I even ran into them on the way home)... but ever since the elections, it’s been really really quiet. It appears that the police have gained ground and that the new commissioner has done a good job identifying and arresting the most violent people in the movement (the ones who vandalize train stations and throw bombs).

For the first time in months, I feel hope that things can return to normal.

I agree that protestor violence had to stop but what could they do when the police threw around almost 30,000 canisters of tear gas and proceeded to harm anyone; from people who were walking around, media of all sorts, nurses tending to protestors, etc.

On the other hand, I’m rather glad things are calming down, which means although some of those online may have fallen into police custody, it means that the safety of some of the others is also guaranteed while major protests are absent since they can’t be arrested.

You guys really don’t want their opinions being voiced out because they’re speaking truth to authority. Please don’t go “muh Starbucks” again on all of us because the least of your worries when the police come knocking is your coffee or tea.

I’m also truly amazed that Carrie Lam has stood firmly to the principles of law and order and has not backed down under the threat of mob rule. While I don’t agree with every aspect of her approach to handling the protests, she’s still the leader Hong Kong and China need. Under a different leader, the economy of HK may have collapsed but this didn’t happen and for that I am thankful.

Hopefully we can have a peaceful Christmas and New Year here in Hong Kong. And during such time there will be no further rioting.

What Carrie Lam is doing is ignoring human rights of the people they’ve arrested, therefore violating international law and attempting to wiggle her way around local law (which the CCP is letting her do) so that she could put this down. She could have solved all of this a long time ago by concedeing to the protest demands.

[Propheticum]

Let's be honest here. Relatively few people know anything about history. If you go outside and ask 10 people who America nuked ww2, at least 1 person will say Russia.

Boy that's a stupid claim to make, you're lucky you didn't put money on that.

Go outside this afternoon and ask 10 random people who got nuked.On Jah, somebody will say something stupid.

Let's be honest here. Relatively few people know anything about history. If you go outside and ask 10 people who America nuked ww2, at least 1 person will say Russia.

If you go outside and ask 10 people what they know about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, what do you think they're going to say?

5 People are going to get it right, 1 person will be like "I don't know man." And the other 4 will get something vaguely Japanese or Chinese.

[Pasong Tirad]

Boy that's a stupid claim to make, you're lucky you didn't put money on that.

Go outside this afternoon and ask 10 random people who got nuked.On Jah, somebody will say something stupid.

If you go outside and ask 10 people what they know about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, what do you think they're going to say?

5 People are going to get it right, 1 person will be like "I don't know man." And the other 4 will get something vaguely Japanese or Chinese.

These are spurious claims. Anecdotal evidence means absolutely nothing.

[Novus America]

And just a few weeks into self-imposed exile, our dear psychedelic mushroom friend is back again!
I can only wonder what’s gone through their head ever since.

He’s pretty good right?

He’s quite intentionally continuing the supression and opression of said protest movement. Said protest movement has been dominating local and international headlines for quite a while, and it’s clear that everyone asides from pro-CCP locals, pro-CCP Chinese and CCP defenders (online or not) agree that the police have gone too far on this one.

Violent street clashes have gone down markedly since he took office. It seems that most of the really violent protestors were arrested in the Tsim Sha Tsui/Polyu battles. These two-three weeks have been comparatively and overwhelmingly peaceful. Even that march on Sunday didn’t turn violent.

Because none of these movements truly wanted violence anyways, they’re just responding in kind to your police throwing around everything they can to crush the movement and applying multitudes of excuses at presscons.

3 weeks ago there were constant updates on my phone about the protestors attacking this or that (I even ran into them on the way home)... but ever since the elections, it’s been really really quiet. It appears that the police have gained ground and that the new commissioner has done a good job identifying and arresting the most violent people in the movement (the ones who vandalize train stations and throw bombs).

For the first time in months, I feel hope that things can return to normal.

I agree that protestor violence had to stop but what could they do when the police threw around almost 30,000 canisters of tear gas and proceeded to harm anyone; from people who were walking around, media of all sorts, nurses tending to protestors, etc.

On the other hand, I’m rather glad things are calming down, which means although some of those online may have fallen into police custody, it means that the safety of some of the others is also guaranteed while major protests are absent since they can’t be arrested.

You guys really don’t want their opinions being voiced out because they’re speaking truth to authority. Please don’t go “muh Starbucks” again on all of us because the least of your worries when the police come knocking is your coffee or tea.

I’m also truly amazed that Carrie Lam has stood firmly to the principles of law and order and has not backed down under the threat of mob rule. While I don’t agree with every aspect of her approach to handling the protests, she’s still the leader Hong Kong and China need. Under a different leader, the economy of HK may have collapsed but this didn’t happen and for that I am thankful.

Hopefully we can have a peaceful Christmas and New Year here in Hong Kong. And during such time there will be no further rioting.

What Carrie Lam is doing is ignoring human rights of the people they’ve arrested, therefore violating international law and attempting to wiggle her way around local law (which the CCP is letting her do) so that she could put this down. She could have solved all of this a long time ago by concedeing to the protest demands.

Well in all fairness only Xi could have solved this by conceding to the protesters demands. Lam cannot do anything major without Xi’s permission.

[Heloin]

I'd make the safe bet that literally no one over the age of 8 would say anything besides Japan.

Oof. Honestly, you're either not American, or you're so uninvolved in modern society that you underestimate how stupid we really are.

Your far to pessimistic is the more likely answer.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

And just a few weeks into self-imposed exile, our dear psychedelic mushroom friend is back again!
I can only wonder what’s gone through their head ever since.



He’s quite intentionally continuing the supression and opression of said protest movement. Said protest movement has been dominating local and international headlines for quite a while, and it’s clear that everyone asides from pro-CCP locals, pro-CCP Chinese and CCP defenders (online or not) agree that the police have gone too far on this one.



Because none of these movements truly wanted violence anyways, they’re just responding in kind to your police throwing around everything they can to crush the movement and applying multitudes of excuses at presscons.



I agree that protestor violence had to stop but what could they do when the police threw around almost 30,000 canisters of tear gas and proceeded to harm anyone; from people who were walking around, media of all sorts, nurses tending to protestors, etc.

On the other hand, I’m rather glad things are calming down, which means although some of those online may have fallen into police custody, it means that the safety of some of the others is also guaranteed while major protests are absent since they can’t be arrested.

You guys really don’t want their opinions being voiced out because they’re speaking truth to authority. Please don’t go “muh Starbucks” again on all of us because the least of your worries when the police come knocking is your coffee or tea.



What Carrie Lam is doing is ignoring human rights of the people they’ve arrested, therefore violating international law and attempting to wiggle her way around local law (which the CCP is letting her do) so that she could put this down. She could have solved all of this a long time ago by concedeing to the protest demands.

Well in all fairness only Xi could have solved this by conceding to the protesters demands. Lam cannot do anything major without Xi’s permission.

Indeed, she is a person that has to pass everything through the CCP before enacting it. And we all know how much Xi likes his people under control and not going around like what’s been demonstrated ate the societal repression in Xinjiang

[Purgatio]

Behold the true flag of Hong Kong.

(Image)

Ah, I see, another supporter of "democracy" in Hong Kong who also varlozies the British Empire in Hong Kong....you know, even though there were no elections in British Hong Kong, and the Governor was appointed not elected, and the ruling ExCo was appointed not elected, and the British violently put down anti-colonial protests in 1967, and the British never granted universal suffrage to Hong Kong, and moved towards limited democracy only following the Sino-British Joint Declaration by allowing some, not all, of the LegCo to be elected, and there were no direct elections to LegCo until 1998 after the Handover, etc. etc.

I'm so glad you posted this though, because I've been saying for some time that so many foreign supporters of the Hong Kong Rioters, and many of the Rioters themselves, who love to fly the British flag at their riots, are deeply ignorant of their history. Valorizing both British Hong Kong and democracy is ignorant and utterly devoid of rudimentary historical knowledge, there's no way around it. There's no way to make sense of both positions. It just goes to show the Hong Kong Rioters and their foreign supporters don't really stand for any consistent principles - they have none. But at least you've volunteered yourself as a helpful example to that end.

[Purgatio]

The cops are there to keep the peace. The new police chief is much more effective. That is, stopping rioter supply lines, and confiscating molotovs.

He’s pretty good right?

Violent street clashes have gone down markedly since he took office. It seems that most of the really violent protestors were arrested in the Tsim Sha Tsui/Polyu battles. These two-three weeks have been comparatively and overwhelmingly peaceful. Even that march on Sunday didn’t turn violent.

3 weeks ago there were constant updates on my phone about the protestors attacking this or that (I even ran into them on the way home)... but ever since the elections, it’s been really really quiet. It appears that the police have gained ground and that the new commissioner has done a good job identifying and arresting the most violent people in the movement (the ones who vandalize train stations and throw bombs).

For the first time in months, I feel hope that things can return to normal.

I’m also truly amazed that Carrie Lam has stood firmly to the principles of law and order and has not backed down under the threat of mob rule. While I don’t agree with every aspect of her approach to handling the protests, she’s still the leader Hong Kong and China need. Under a different leader, the economy of HK may have collapsed but this didn’t happen and for that I am thankful.

Hopefully we can have a peaceful Christmas and New Year here in Hong Kong. And during such time there will be no further rioting.

There's been a temporary normalization or a decrease in the disruption going on in Hong Kong but the vandals won't stop coming, not until their blackmail has succeeded and all five unreasonable demands of theirs have been met. This is generally how organized criminal syndicates operate, they generally won't stop committing more crimes and attacking the rule of law until all their demands are satisfied.

[Gormwood]

Behold the true flag of Hong Kong.

(Image)

Ah, I see, another supporter of "democracy" in Hong Kong who also varlozies the British Empire in Hong Kong....you know, even though there were no elections in British Hong Kong, and the Governor was appointed not elected, and the ruling ExCo was appointed not elected, and the British violently put down anti-colonial protests in 1967, and the British never granted universal suffrage to Hong Kong, and moved towards limited democracy only following the Sino-British Joint Declaration by allowing some, not all, of the LegCo to be elected, and there were no direct elections to LegCo until 1998 after the Handover, etc. etc.

I'm so glad you posted this though, because I've been saying for some time that so many foreign supporters of the Hong Kong Rioters, and many of the Rioters themselves, who love to fly the British flag at their riots, are deeply ignorant of their history. Valorizing both British Hong Kong and democracy is ignorant and utterly devoid of rudimentary historical knowledge, there's no way around it. There's no way to make sense of both positions. It just goes to show the Hong Kong Rioters and their foreign supporters don't really stand for any consistent principles - they have none. But at least you've volunteered yourself as a helpful example to that end.

Are you saying CCP China is preferable to an independent Hong Kong because British Empire?

[Purgatio]

Ah, I see, another supporter of "democracy" in Hong Kong who also varlozies the British Empire in Hong Kong....you know, even though there were no elections in British Hong Kong, and the Governor was appointed not elected, and the ruling ExCo was appointed not elected, and the British violently put down anti-colonial protests in 1967, and the British never granted universal suffrage to Hong Kong, and moved towards limited democracy only following the Sino-British Joint Declaration by allowing some, not all, of the LegCo to be elected, and there were no direct elections to LegCo until 1998 after the Handover, etc. etc.

I'm so glad you posted this though, because I've been saying for some time that so many foreign supporters of the Hong Kong Rioters, and many of the Rioters themselves, who love to fly the British flag at their riots, are deeply ignorant of their history. Valorizing both British Hong Kong and democracy is ignorant and utterly devoid of rudimentary historical knowledge, there's no way around it. There's no way to make sense of both positions. It just goes to show the Hong Kong Rioters and their foreign supporters don't really stand for any consistent principles - they have none. But at least you've volunteered yourself as a helpful example to that end.

Are you saying CCP China is preferable to an independent Hong Kong because British Empire?

I'm responding to a poster who supports the Hong Kong Rioters and who posted that flag. Try reading the original comment I responded to.

[Genivaria]

Behold the true flag of Hong Kong.

(Image)

Ah, I see, another supporter of "democracy" in Hong Kong who also varlozies the British Empire in Hong Kong....you know, even though there were no elections in British Hong Kong, and the Governor was appointed not elected, and the ruling ExCo was appointed not elected, and the British violently put down anti-colonial protests in 1967, and the British never granted universal suffrage to Hong Kong, and moved towards limited democracy only following the Sino-British Joint Declaration by allowing some, not all, of the LegCo to be elected, and there were no direct elections to LegCo until 1998 after the Handover, etc. etc.

I'm so glad you posted this though, because I've been saying for some time that so many foreign supporters of the Hong Kong Rioters, and many of the Rioters themselves, who love to fly the British flag at their riots, are deeply ignorant of their history. Valorizing both British Hong Kong and democracy is ignorant and utterly devoid of rudimentary historical knowledge, there's no way around it. There's no way to make sense of both positions. It just goes to show the Hong Kong Rioters and their foreign supporters don't really stand for any consistent principles - they have none. But at least you've volunteered yourself as a helpful example to that end.

You're inserting alot of assumptions there from an image post boyo.

[Genivaria]

He’s pretty good right?

Violent street clashes have gone down markedly since he took office. It seems that most of the really violent protestors were arrested in the Tsim Sha Tsui/Polyu battles. These two-three weeks have been comparatively and overwhelmingly peaceful. Even that march on Sunday didn’t turn violent.

3 weeks ago there were constant updates on my phone about the protestors attacking this or that (I even ran into them on the way home)... but ever since the elections, it’s been really really quiet. It appears that the police have gained ground and that the new commissioner has done a good job identifying and arresting the most violent people in the movement (the ones who vandalize train stations and throw bombs).

For the first time in months, I feel hope that things can return to normal.

I’m also truly amazed that Carrie Lam has stood firmly to the principles of law and order and has not backed down under the threat of mob rule. While I don’t agree with every aspect of her approach to handling the protests, she’s still the leader Hong Kong and China need. Under a different leader, the economy of HK may have collapsed but this didn’t happen and for that I am thankful.

Hopefully we can have a peaceful Christmas and New Year here in Hong Kong. And during such time there will be no further rioting.

There's been a temporary normalization or a decrease in the disruption going on in Hong Kong but the vandals won't stop coming, not until their blackmail has succeeded and all five unreasonable demands of theirs have been met. This is generally how organized criminal syndicates operate, they generally won't stop committing more crimes and attacking the rule of law until all their demands are satisfied.

It's telling that you think that these are 'unreasonable demands'.

which were the withdrawal of the bill, investigation into alleged police brutality and misconduct, the release of arrested protesters, a complete retraction of the official characterisation of the protests as "riots", and Chief Executive Carrie Lam's resignation along with the introduction of universal suffrage for election of the Legislative Council and the Chief Executive.[43][44]