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The UK was right to handover HK to China
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The UK should have kept HK
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The UK should have set up HK as an independent, democratic state
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:31 am

Konolas wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I mean, I'm not shocked at all. A lot of cops in the states beat their wives, and just yesterday, a local sheriff's deputy near me got caught with a shitload of child porn. The profession as a whole seems to either attract or create objectively terrible people.

Why am I just only learning of this now


Because power is what enables cops to get away with their crimes, and suppressing knowledge of their crimes keeps them in power.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:25 am

The Rapture Republic wrote:I’m on a Free HK Discord and today I find out the HKP aren’t just thugs, they are pedophiles too. Absolute subhuman trash. Here is the twitter link to see for yourself: https://twitter.com/RiRika_1221_128/sta ... 59520?s=20 and here’s a rough translation of what it says: Roughly translated: Middle schoolgirl has been gang raped by at least four ruffianly policemen in the San Uk Ling holding centre. Her family revealed that she has attempted suicide four times since then and fortunately saved by families. Currently she’s been on strong sedative daily to keep her calm and she has been in the state of semi-conscious. It is not just an individual case but many others as well. This also happened to secondary schoolboy ...


Put up an invite to that Discord server here, should be in the page before this one.

Grenartia wrote:
Konolas wrote:Why am I just only learning of this now


Because power is what enables cops to get away with their crimes, and suppressing knowledge of their crimes keeps them in power.


Their crimes are so numerous, and only relatively documented on the Hong Kong subreddit. There are probably many other crimes not heard of from Hong Kong that didn’t reach the internet.

I don’t have screenshots or a link, but there were 2 secondary students raped. I’m sorry I can’t prove it, but some HK subreddit digging should do.

This is why a lot of people in China are insensitive to the police’s crimes, because they aren’t aware of it. If they are aware of such actions, their own actions to prevent that are supressed or are being prevented through constant monitoring.
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Postby Greater Istanistan » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:30 am

Konolas wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I mean, I'm not shocked at all. A lot of cops in the states beat their wives, and just yesterday, a local sheriff's deputy near me got caught with a shitload of child porn. The profession as a whole seems to either attract or create objectively terrible people.

Why am I just only learning of this now


40% of police families experience domestic violence in the USA, so I'm not really surprised that cops in the PRC are up to the same bullshit. ACAB, baby
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:33 am

Greater Istanistan wrote:
Konolas wrote:Why am I just only learning of this now


40% of police families experience domestic violence in the USA, so I'm not really surprised that cops in the PRC are up to the same bullshit. ACAB, baby

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Postby Tuthina » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:45 am

Tuthina wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Do you think the protestors will do something dramatic on Halloween?

Today is Halloween in HK. I've just received a text/announcements from MTR authority that they are on "high alert" (because of Halloween) and several stations have been preemptively stopped.

If the protestors start something in the early afternoon, then maybe everyone would get sent home.

Just maybe.

Though its a weekday and presumable most of them won't skip school to start some trouble. But its Halloween so who knows (I think it was just yesterday that they launched something at three major HK universities).

We're just planning to go trick or treating before enjoying the festive mood in Lan Kwai Fong together. The real question is whether the police will do something dramatic.

Quick update: Yes, they did, by blocking access to Lan Kwai Fong and macing people who tried to go celebrate Halloween. I did manage to get some candies on my way to Central, though, so I guess that count as the silver lining nowadays. Also found a nice pub near my home as well.

It seems that they also suppressed the vigil outside Prince Edward station as well, but with much heavier force and liberal use of tear gas. I guess having a bunch of foreigners nearby deters their brutality somewhat.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:13 pm

The Rapture Republic wrote:I’m on a Free HK Discord and today I find out the HKP aren’t just thugs, they are pedophiles too. Absolute subhuman trash. Here is the twitter link to see for yourself: https://twitter.com/RiRika_1221_128/sta ... 59520?s=20 and here’s a rough translation of what it says: Middle schoolgirl has been gang raped by at least four ruffianly policemen in the San Uk Ling holding centre. Her family revealed that she has attempted suicide four times since then and fortunately saved by families. Currently she’s been on strong sedative daily to keep her calm and she has been in the state of semi-conscious. It is not just an individual case but many others as well. This also happened to secondary schoolboy ...

People in power abuse that power, color me surprised.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:14 pm

Sovaal wrote:
The Rapture Republic wrote:I’m on a Free HK Discord and today I find out the HKP aren’t just thugs, they are pedophiles too. Absolute subhuman trash. Here is the twitter link to see for yourself: https://twitter.com/RiRika_1221_128/sta ... 59520?s=20 and here’s a rough translation of what it says: Middle schoolgirl has been gang raped by at least four ruffianly policemen in the San Uk Ling holding centre. Her family revealed that she has attempted suicide four times since then and fortunately saved by families. Currently she’s been on strong sedative daily to keep her calm and she has been in the state of semi-conscious. It is not just an individual case but many others as well. This also happened to secondary schoolboy ...

People in power abuse that power, color me surprised.

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Postby The Rapture Republic » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:18 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Sovaal wrote:People in power abuse that power, color me surprised.

Incoming apologism in 3... 2... 1...

I'm going to doubt that with an ocean full of salt as I don't think anyone in their right would ever dare to be associated with child rapists. That would be the literal death of whatever respect had for them.
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Postby Relikai » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:39 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Sovaal wrote:People in power abuse that power, color me surprised.

Incoming apologism in 3... 2... 1...


Is it a sin or thoughtcrime to have some doubt regarding the reliability of that video/testimony?

Edit - Before I get hacked/doxxed again for harbouring different views from the general users here, it's a general question.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:44 pm

Relikai wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Incoming apologism in 3... 2... 1...


Is it a sin or thoughtcrime to have some doubt regarding the reliability of that video/testimony?

Edit - Before I get hacked/doxxed again for harbouring different views from the general users here, it's a general question.


If you're getting hacked or doxxed you need to report that to the moderators.
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Postby Relikai » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:46 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Relikai wrote:
Is it a sin or thoughtcrime to have some doubt regarding the reliability of that video/testimony?

Edit - Before I get hacked/doxxed again for harbouring different views from the general users here, it's a general question.


If you're getting hacked or doxxed you need to report that to the moderators.


Problem is they leave no trail to their NS/Discord identities, and I'd hate to make a case with insufficient evidence.

It's not the NS account (which might be traceable) that's being hacked anyway.
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Postby Tuthina » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:50 pm

Relikai wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
If you're getting hacked or doxxed you need to report that to the moderators.


Problem is they leave no trail to their NS/Discord identities, and I'd hate to make a case with insufficient evidence.

It's not the NS account (which might be traceable) that's being hacked anyway.

In that case, you should contact the administrators of the service where your account is being hacked, but I digress.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:48 pm

Tuthina wrote:
Relikai wrote:
Problem is they leave no trail to their NS/Discord identities, and I'd hate to make a case with insufficient evidence.

It's not the NS account (which might be traceable) that's being hacked anyway.

In that case, you should contact the administrators of the service where your account is being hacked, but I digress.


In the spirit of 'having doubt about the testimony', how do we even know people are trying to hack them?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:54 am

Grenartia wrote:
Tuthina wrote:In that case, you should contact the administrators of the service where your account is being hacked, but I digress.


In the spirit of 'having doubt about the testimony', how do we even know people are trying to hack them?

Agreed, I think that was just an attempt to get sympathy.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:17 am

Relikai wrote:
Bombadil wrote:If you're getting hacked or doxxed you need to report that to the moderators.


Problem is they leave no trail to their NS/Discord identities, and I'd hate to make a case with insufficient evidence.

It's not the NS account (which might be traceable) that's being hacked anyway.

If you honestly believe someone is attempting to interfere with your NS account then you should report it immediately, instead of telling us about it.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:58 am

Grenartia wrote:
Konolas wrote:Wat


I mean, I'm not shocked at all. A lot of cops in the states beat their wives, and just yesterday, a local sheriff's deputy near me got caught with a shitload of child porn. The profession as a whole seems to either attract or create objectively terrible people.


Is this an inner city joke that I'm too rural England to understand?

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:22 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I mean, I'm not shocked at all. A lot of cops in the states beat their wives, and just yesterday, a local sheriff's deputy near me got caught with a shitload of child porn. The profession as a whole seems to either attract or create objectively terrible people.


Is this an inner city joke that I'm too rural England to understand?


No, but it is a pretty common occurrence in America (and I hear even Canada, the UK, Australia, etc.). Regardless if the area is urban, suburban, or rural. There's a reason ACAB exists as a term.

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Is this some Brit reference I'm too stereotypically American to get?
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Postby MineLegotia and Equestria » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:24 am

Hong Kong is just a shitshow now. China can either keep it and face economic troubles ahead with most businesses suffering due to the protests, or kick HK now and let it suffer on their own.

Hong Kong is bringing shame to China, and the British. Also, to those thinking about that the British should have make Hong Kong an indepedant city state. Do note, that they planned that in their decolonization plan, but China cucked them by passing a 3000 page-ish legislation in the United Nations and in there somewhere they say "Hong Kong no freedom", and everyone at the UN was lazy to read it and instead passed it without reading the entire thing. That's why HK is in Chinese hands now.

Give China twenty years and wait for "Xi Da Da" to die, he has a cult around him and without him chaos will reign in the party and hopefully by then we can see a Chinese Democratic Revolution
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:45 am

MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:Hong Kong is just a shitshow now. China can either keep it and face economic troubles ahead with most businesses suffering due to the protests, or kick HK now and let it suffer on their own.

Hong Kong is bringing shame to China, and the British. Also, to those thinking about that the British should have make Hong Kong an indepedant city state. Do note, that they planned that in their decolonization plan, but China cucked them by passing a 3000 page-ish legislation in the United Nations and in there somewhere they say "Hong Kong no freedom", and everyone at the UN was lazy to read it and instead passed it without reading the entire thing. That's why HK is in Chinese hands now.

Give China twenty years and wait for "Xi Da Da" to die, he has a cult around him and without him chaos will reign in the party and hopefully by then we can see a Chinese Democratic Revolution

The PRC isn’t going to “kick” Hong Kong, and frankly they don’t care what the foreign media thinks about them. Whole it’s not head over heels economically ahead of the rest of China as it once was, it’s still a major economic center in Eastern Asia, an to be rid of it would be idiotic, even with all the protests.
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Postby Tuthina » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:26 am

Great Kysilia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:The PRC isn’t going to “kick” Hong Kong, and frankly they don’t care what th foe to gun media thinks about them. Whole it’s not head over heels economically ahead of the rest of China as it once was, it’s still a major economic center in Eastern Asia, an to be rid of it would be idiotic, even with all the protests.

Hong Kong accounts for a sizable portion of the PRC's economy, so I'd say there's about as much of a chance of the PRC "kicking them out" as there is of Kim Jong-un transitioning NK to a democracy.

Unfortunate for PRC and fortunate for HK, that is also precisely why PRC couldn't settle the unrest in Hong Kong the same way it did in Uyghurstan and Tibet. At least, not without preparing for a major economic setback, given that most of the foreign capital flowing into China through Hong Kong would be lost for quite a while. Combined with the ongoing trade war, the (rumoured) economic downturn in China and all sorts of internal issues, it would have the potential to be the final nail in Xi's, if not CCP's coffin.
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Postby The American Free States » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:29 am

Well really the best option here was to have the UK give Hong Kong to the real China, Taiwan.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:32 am

The American Free States wrote:Well really the best option here was to have the UK give Hong Kong to the real China, Taiwan.

That likely would have prompted the PRC to invade both.
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Postby Tuthina » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:35 am

The American Free States wrote:Well really the best option here was to have the UK give Hong Kong to the real China, Taiwan.

Personally, I feel that some kind of (con)federation solution would be for the best (and might actually be attractive enough for ROC), although that would require a PRC that was/is more open to the idea of not being in control of everything it could, so I guess it was never meant to be.
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