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In retrospect..

The UK was right to handover HK to China
170
14%
The UK should have kept HK
251
21%
The UK should have set up HK as an independent, democratic state
711
60%
Other
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4%
 
Total votes : 1177

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:36 pm

Eodor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The phrase has wider applications though. Stalinists qualify.

And you're a Nazi, it has wider applications, Conservatives and Liberals qualify

Not even comparable.

Tankie is widely used for any communist who defends Soviet human rights violations. Putting a bunch of ideologies under the label "Nazi" is a different ballgame.
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Postby Plzen » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:38 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Not even comparable.

Wait, are you proposing that words ought to actually mean things?

Nooooooo. Surely not. That would be doubleplusungood blackwhite crimethink.
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Postby Kassaran » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:38 pm

Plzen wrote:American nationalists set their moral compass by this arbitrary set of written principles that were handed down from their ancestors.

That surely makes them so much better than all those other people who set their moral compasses by arbitrary sets of written principles that were handed down from their ancestors.

Pot, meet kettle.

Americans...

I very much appreciate the liberal principles handed down and developed by my ancestors and cultural heroes. They tend to allow me a bit more freedom than the authoritarian principles of less civilized societies that I quite disagree with.

If being willing to stand up for liberty and Justice for all condemns me to just be an 'American nationalist' in your eyes, then I pity you for the shades of grey you see in a world of vibrant colors and life.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:43 pm

Plzen wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Not even comparable.

Wait, are you proposing that words ought to actually mean things?

Nooooooo. Surely not. That would be doubleplusungood blackwhite crimethink.

I never said they don't mean things, commie.
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Plzen
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Postby Plzen » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:44 pm

Kassaran wrote:I very much appreciate the liberal principles handed down and developed by my ancestors and cultural heroes. They tend to allow me a bit more freedom than the authoritarian principles of less civilized societies that I quite disagree with.

If being willing to stand up for liberty and Justice for all condemns me to just be an 'American nationalist' in your eyes, then I pity you for the shades of grey you see in a world of vibrant colors and life.

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Eodor wrote:[...] America, which has more prisoners than anywhere else on Earth and keeps them as slaves

which irc is constitutional.

"Slavery is totally fine, the Constitution says so."

I'll say it again:

Americans...
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Plzen
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Postby Plzen » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:45 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I never said they don't mean things, commie.

I know, I know. I'm agreeing with you, in my own sarcastic little way. :p
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:47 pm

Plzen wrote:
Kassaran wrote:I very much appreciate the liberal principles handed down and developed by my ancestors and cultural heroes. They tend to allow me a bit more freedom than the authoritarian principles of less civilized societies that I quite disagree with.

If being willing to stand up for liberty and Justice for all condemns me to just be an 'American nationalist' in your eyes, then I pity you for the shades of grey you see in a world of vibrant colors and life.

Loben The 2nd wrote:which irc is constitutional.

"Slavery is totally fine, the Constitution says so."

I'll say it again:

Americans...

Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.
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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:47 pm

Plzen wrote:
Kassaran wrote:I very much appreciate the liberal principles handed down and developed by my ancestors and cultural heroes. They tend to allow me a bit more freedom than the authoritarian principles of less civilized societies that I quite disagree with.

If being willing to stand up for liberty and Justice for all condemns me to just be an 'American nationalist' in your eyes, then I pity you for the shades of grey you see in a world of vibrant colors and life.

Loben The 2nd wrote:which irc is constitutional.

"Slavery is totally fine, the Constitution says so."

I'll say it again:

Americans...




as a form of punishment.
Eternal Lotharia wrote:You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.

Satisfaction guaranteed.

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:48 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Plzen wrote:Wait, are you proposing that words ought to actually mean things?

Nooooooo. Surely not. That would be doubleplusungood blackwhite crimethink.

I never said they don't mean things, commie.

I can just imagine a younger version of Reagan sneering: commieeeee... while chewing jellybeans.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:48 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Plzen wrote:
"Slavery is totally fine, the Constitution says so."

I'll say it again:

Americans...

Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.


kay.
Eternal Lotharia wrote:You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.

Satisfaction guaranteed.

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:48 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.


kay.

It sounds like a sig quote if I were you.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:50 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
kay.

It sounds like a sig quote if I were you.


i fucking might
Eternal Lotharia wrote:You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.

Satisfaction guaranteed.

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:51 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
The South Falls wrote:It sounds like a sig quote if I were you.


i fucking might

The absolute madman.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:53 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
i fucking might

The absolute madman.

He just did it lol.
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Postby Plzen » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:53 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.

While I'm aware that this doesn't represent the opinion of all Americans, it seems to be a thing that characterises them more than other nationalities.

I've discussed politics, both on the internet and in real life, with people from many different countries, and no other nationality I've met is so obsessed, as a community, with what is written in their founding documents or said by their founding fathers as that of the United States.

Yes, the Constitution was a great document and a landmark in the progress of human values... when it was written, which was almost two and a half centuries ago.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:55 pm

Plzen wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.

While I'm aware that this doesn't represent the opinion of all Americans, it seems to be a thing that characterises them more than other nationalities.

I've discussed politics, both on the internet and in real life, with people from many different countries, and no other nationality I've met is so obsessed, as a community, with what is written in their founding documents or said by their founding fathers as that of the United States.

Yes, the Constitution was a great document and a landmark in the progress of human values... when it was written, which was almost two and a half centuries ago.

Yes, it should be updated from time to time, but it is still a great document.

We like that document because it embodies most of our values. It is what we were founded on, and we're not going to forget that.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:56 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The absolute madman.

He just did it lol.


i fucking did.
Eternal Lotharia wrote:You prioritize hatred of ideology over human rights. Fucking disgusting of you.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loben is a low tier poster who hardly represents Americans. He is pretty much an edgelord.

Satisfaction guaranteed.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:58 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:He just did it lol.


i fucking did.

I'm quite amused to be honest.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:59 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The absolute madman.

He just did it lol.

I am in awe of the pair of balls on this man. A true american madlad.
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Postby Pretty Much God » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:32 pm

Eodor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Tankie is a good term to describe people like him.

I'm not Irish, I am a Marxist, I'm not a he, not a tankie either, I do like Stalin.

So, do you have an argument, or are you just going to type out how I'm an "ebil ccP shill tanky" until you fall into a food coma?

You go ahead and keep slurping that Chinese tankie mind control fluid.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:14 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Plzen wrote:
"Slavery is totally fine, the Constitution says so."

I'll say it again:

Americans...




as a form of punishment.


That doesn't make it any better.

You're fucking El-Amining it.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:22 pm

Valentine Z wrote:
Eodor wrote:
Image


Notice how no Muslim nations condemned China's Uyghur policies.

UN didn't even report on it

Of course Burma defended... I love my country so damn much...... /s

I think the Burmese Government would recognise that throwing stones isn't that great of an idea from their glass house.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:01 pm

Eodor wrote:
Uiiop wrote:https://web.archive.org/web/20180801041 ... 88533.html *does shaky hand motion*
Besides aren't they non-native perspectives and at least partly non-Asian?

Image


Notice how no Muslim nations condemned China's Uyghur policies.

UN didn't even report on it

Many of those Muslim nations have great economic relationships with China, including Pakistan and my own country, Indonesia. Of course, with money involved, people should've known better.
Though that doesn't mean that we regular citizens condone or support what China does in Xinjiang.
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Postby Pretty Much God » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:40 pm

Eodor wrote:
Uiiop wrote:https://web.archive.org/web/20180801041 ... 88533.html *does shaky hand motion*
Besides aren't they non-native perspectives and at least partly non-Asian?

Image


Notice how no Muslim nations condemned China's Uyghur policies.

UN didn't even report on it

That's funny...half of those defending China are either undemocratic and/or have a spotty humans rights record themselves.
Genesis 25:30
"He said to Jacob, “Let me gulp down some of that red stuff; I’m starving.”

Called an Antichrist/heretic by
currently: 1
individual.

#standwithhongkong
God is a Yang-ocrat
God would part the Red Sea for you.
But more importantly, God. Never. Forsakes. ;)
Discretion: Naturally with GoFundMe, some might not be legitimate.

you don't have to but it'd be really cool if you did
like "free passage into heaven" cool
https://www.gofundme.com/f/free-hong-ko ... ning-night
https://www.gofundme.com/f/hong-kong-re ... -democracy
https://www.gofundme.com/f/flags-and-ge ... t-hongkong
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Postby Duhon » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:45 pm

Heloin wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:Of course Burma defended... I love my country so damn much...... /s

I think the Burmese Government would recognise that throwing stones isn't that great of an idea from their glass house.


predatory birds of a feather blah blah blah

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