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In retrospect..

The UK was right to handover HK to China
231
16%
The UK should have kept HK
289
20%
The UK should have set up HK as an independent, democratic state
870
60%
Other
58
4%
 
Total votes : 1448

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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:57 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Hes an Irish Marxist. with a deep love for the great Humanitarian; Josef Stalin.

Tankie is a good term to describe people like him.

I'm not Irish, I am a Marxist, I'm not a he, not a tankie either, I do like Stalin.

So, do you have an argument, or are you just going to type out how I'm an "ebil ccP shill tanky" until you fall into a food coma?
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Postby Plzen » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:57 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:which irc is constitutional.

It's not slavery, it's constitutional slavery!

That's so much better.

Surely.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:58 pm

Eodor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Tankie is a good term to describe people like him.

I'm not Irish, I am a Marxist, I'm not a he, not a tankie either, I do like Stalin.

So, do you have an argument, or are you just going to type out how I'm an "ebil ccP shill tanky" until you fall into a food coma?


so where are you from?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:58 pm

Plzen wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:which irc is constitutional.

It's not slavery, it's constitutional slavery!


correct.
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Eodor
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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:59 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Eodor wrote:Muh you're a shill because you can think

You're following the US line here, you're following the biased Imperalist narrative. Maybe the CCP "party line" which has been reported on by numerous non-CCP organisations is actually the truth?


Such as?

For you

They detonate a bomb not too long ago, as well
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:00 pm

Eodor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Tankie is a good term to describe people like him.

I'm not Irish, I am a Marxist, I'm not a he, not a tankie either, I do like Stalin.

So, do you have an argument, or are you just going to type out how I'm an "ebil ccP shill tanky" until you fall into a food coma?

You're still a tankie, which is unaffected by gender or nationality.

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Postby Plzen » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:00 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:correct.

You and Infected Mushroom are presenting pretty much the identical argument.

"It's more justified because the law says so."

The extent to which Americans will pull up strange arguments to defend their country's practices really amuses me sometimes.
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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:01 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Eodor wrote:I'm not Irish, I am a Marxist, I'm not a he, not a tankie either, I do like Stalin.

So, do you have an argument, or are you just going to type out how I'm an "ebil ccP shill tanky" until you fall into a food coma?

You're still a tankie, which is unaffected by gender or nationality.

I'm not a Tankie, I despise Khrushchev
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:01 pm

Eodor wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Such as?

For you

They detonate a bomb not too long ago, as well

Some protesters being violent doesn't mean they all are, nor does it make their goals invalid.

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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:02 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Eodor wrote:I'm not Irish, I am a Marxist, I'm not a he, not a tankie either, I do like Stalin.

So, do you have an argument, or are you just going to type out how I'm an "ebil ccP shill tanky" until you fall into a food coma?


so where are you from?

England, if it matters so much to you

I know, right, an Englishman who recognised the evils the country they live in and isn't blindly following whatever the BBC tells them, goodness me
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Postby Plzen » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:02 pm

Eodor wrote:I'm not a Tankie, I despise Khrushchev

Khrushchev was fairly moderate and liberal by the standards of Soviet leaders, certainly when compared with extremists like Stalin or Brezhnev.

Saying that you don't like Khruschev when you approve of Stalin doesn't make you sound any less like a tankie.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:03 pm

Eodor wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Such as?

For you

They detonate a bomb not too long ago, as well

And I am sure the acts of Rape reported during the Battle of Berlin means that the Soviet Soldiers are evil
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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:03 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Eodor wrote:For you

They detonate a bomb not too long ago, as well

Some protesters being violent doesn't mean they all are, nor does it make their goals invalid.

They're not protesters, they're rioters.

They detonated a bomb, a homemade bomb, in their "protest". That's not a protest, that's a terrorist attack.
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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:04 pm

Plzen wrote:
Eodor wrote:I'm not a Tankie, I despise Khrushchev

Khrushchev was fairly moderate and liberal by the standards of Soviet leaders, certainly when compared with extremists like Stalin or Brezhnev.

Saying that you don't like Khruschev when you approve of Stalin doesn't make you sound any less like a tankie.

Khrushchev was no moderate, that's for darn sure. And I'm not a tankie because I don't support Khrushchev, that's where the phrase tankie came from
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Postby Cantonese Union » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:04 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Cantonese Union wrote:
Just out of curiosity: where are you from?


Hes an Irish Marxist. with a deep love for the great Humanitarian; Josef Stalin.


Wait, are you serious?

I will never understand spoiled Westerners - they have had it relatively good for most of their lives, yet they love an authoritarian leader of a country that they have never lived in, nor have their parents or their grandparents.

As someone whose family "enjoyed" the Soviet Union and the queues for bread & basic landline phones (not even a meme, there was a 'deficit' of everything), these people literally disgust me.

I guess Soviet times weren't all that bad though - people got their driver's license by driving ~100m in a car meant for handicapped people because the normal driving examination Zaporozhets broke. :)
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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:05 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Eodor wrote:For you

They detonate a bomb not too long ago, as well

And I am sure the acts of Rape reported during the Battle of Berlin means that the Soviet Soldiers are evil

The level of mental gymnastics in this has given me second hand motion sickness
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:05 pm

Eodor wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Already been documented in this thread.



A likely story.



How many people did he beat when he was on duty?



I'm sure that's the CCP party line.

Muh you're a shill because you can think

You're following the US line here,


Maybe because, in this specific instance, the US is right? Stopped clock syndrome is a thing.

you're following the biased Imperalist narrative.


I mean, you cannot really describe China as "anti-imperialist", at least while having a shred of credibility.

Maybe the CCP "party line" which has been reported on by numerous non-CCP organisations is actually the truth?


How many of them have a vested interest in not pissing off CCP? How many of them have a vested interest in authoritarian ideologies?

Eodor wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Oh, look. More whataboutism.

China and the US's criminal justice systems are both objectively shit.

Whataboutism is not an argument,


Correct, its a deflection strategy Tankies and other authoritarians use when they can't come up with a good counterargument. By resorting to it, you eliminate whatever credibility you had.

it's just a way to remove differing opinions,


I guess a tankie of all people would know all about that.

you're objectively wrong in this case and whether you see it on not is not my decision


Odd, that's exactly what I've been thinking about you for the last several minutes.

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Plzen wrote:It's not slavery, it's constitutional slavery!


correct.


God, are you gonna fucking El-Amin this?
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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:06 pm

Cantonese Union wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Hes an Irish Marxist. with a deep love for the great Humanitarian; Josef Stalin.


Wait, are you serious?

I will never understand spoiled Westerners - they have had it relatively good for most of their lives, yet they love an authoritarian leader of a country that they have never lived in, nor have their parents or their grandparents.

As someone whose family "enjoyed" the Soviet Union and the queues for bread & basic landline phones (not even a meme, there was a 'deficit' of everything), these people literally disgust me.

I guess Soviet times weren't all that bad though - people got their driver's license by driving ~100m in a car meant for handicapped people because the normal driving examination Zaporozhets broke. :)

Oh, you lived under Stalin? That's incredible, you must be like 70. I envy you, my elder, you must've lived through so much and seen so much of history's greatest events. How was Comrade Stalin? Was he a nice man?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:07 pm

Eodor wrote:
Plzen wrote:Khrushchev was fairly moderate and liberal by the standards of Soviet leaders, certainly when compared with extremists like Stalin or Brezhnev.

Saying that you don't like Khruschev when you approve of Stalin doesn't make you sound any less like a tankie.

Khrushchev was no moderate, that's for darn sure. And I'm not a tankie because I don't support Khrushchev, that's where the phrase tankie came from

The phrase has wider applications though. Stalinists qualify.

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Postby Grenartia » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:07 pm

Eodor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You're still a tankie, which is unaffected by gender or nationality.

I'm not a Tankie, I despise Khrushchev


Yet you love Stalin, the ultimate tankie.
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Postby Cantonese Union » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:08 pm

Eodor wrote:
Cantonese Union wrote:
Wait, are you serious?

I will never understand spoiled Westerners - they have had it relatively good for most of their lives, yet they love an authoritarian leader of a country that they have never lived in, nor have their parents or their grandparents.

As someone whose family "enjoyed" the Soviet Union and the queues for bread & basic landline phones (not even a meme, there was a 'deficit' of everything), these people literally disgust me.

I guess Soviet times weren't all that bad though - people got their driver's license by driving ~100m in a car meant for handicapped people because the normal driving examination Zaporozhets broke. :)

Oh, you lived under Stalin? That's incredible, you must be like 70. I envy you, my elder, you must've lived through so much and seen so much of history's greatest events. How was Comrade Stalin? Was he a nice man?



Nah, I'm tired as shit and edited my post accordingly.

This isn't just "under Stalin" - this is about my family under the "glorious Union" - from 1945 to 1990.

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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Eodor wrote:Muh you're a shill because you can think

You're following the US line here,


Maybe because, in this specific instance, the US is right? Stopped clock syndrome is a thing.

you're following the biased Imperalist narrative.


I mean, you cannot really describe China as "anti-imperialist", at least while having a shred of credibility.

Maybe the CCP "party line" which has been reported on by numerous non-CCP organisations is actually the truth?


How many of them have a vested interest in not pissing off CCP? How many of them have a vested interest in authoritarian ideologies?

Eodor wrote:Whataboutism is not an argument,


Correct, its a deflection strategy Tankies and other authoritarians use when they can't come up with a good counterargument. By resorting to it, you eliminate whatever credibility you had.

it's just a way to remove differing opinions,


I guess a tankie of all people would know all about that.

you're objectively wrong in this case and whether you see it on not is not my decision


Odd, that's exactly what I've been thinking about you for the last several minutes.

Loben The 2nd wrote:
correct.


God, are you gonna fucking El-Amin this?

I guess I must be an authoritarian, supporting the abolition of hierarchy and the state, must be massively totalitarian. Wouldn't want to piss off the CCP, a political party on the other side of the world that couldn't hurt me if it tried. You're so brave standing against them, you must be so stressed having to look out for bitcoin assassins or whatever nonsense you've decided the CCP would pull
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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:11 pm

Cantonese Union wrote:
Eodor wrote:Oh, you lived under Stalin? That's incredible, you must be like 70. I envy you, my elder, you must've lived through so much and seen so much of history's greatest events. How was Comrade Stalin? Was he a nice man?



Nah, I'm tired as shit and edited my post accordingly.

This isn't just "under Stalin" - this is about my family under the "glorious Union" - from 1945 to 1990.

Did they have many driving lessons in 1933? And we've all seen pictures of the American breadline but very few of the Soviet one. I didn't know that Stalin lived for about 150 years in order to ruin your family in particular, I'll have to consult my Stalinist hive mind about this
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Postby Eodor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:11 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Eodor wrote:Khrushchev was no moderate, that's for darn sure. And I'm not a tankie because I don't support Khrushchev, that's where the phrase tankie came from

The phrase has wider applications though. Stalinists qualify.

And you're a Nazi, it has wider applications, Conservatives and Liberals qualify
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:12 pm

Eodor wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Maybe because, in this specific instance, the US is right? Stopped clock syndrome is a thing.



I mean, you cannot really describe China as "anti-imperialist", at least while having a shred of credibility.



How many of them have a vested interest in not pissing off CCP? How many of them have a vested interest in authoritarian ideologies?



Correct, its a deflection strategy Tankies and other authoritarians use when they can't come up with a good counterargument. By resorting to it, you eliminate whatever credibility you had.



I guess a tankie of all people would know all about that.



Odd, that's exactly what I've been thinking about you for the last several minutes.



God, are you gonna fucking El-Amin this?

I guess I must be an authoritarian, supporting the abolition of hierarchy and the state,


Said the Stalinist.

must be massively totalitarian.


You certainly sound like one by supporting CCP.

Wouldn't want to piss off the CCP, a political party on the other side of the world that couldn't hurt me if it tried. You're so brave standing against them, you must be so stressed having to look out for bitcoin assassins or whatever nonsense you've decided the CCP would pull


You can take your words out of my mouth, thanks.
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