Hong Kong

[Miami Shores]

Posted by Heloin:

All Hong Kong needs is America on it's side. If Hong Kong did declare itself independent and the US recognised them and sent support their is nothing China could do aside from all out war, which China would also like to avoid. And America has already been on the side of HK against China historically already so that's not too far of a logical leap.[/quote]
I support this idea, I hope you're right.

NS Taiwan China Another NS Nation of mine:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ns_taiwan_china

[Irenton]

Posted by Heloin:

All Hong Kong needs is America on it's side. If Hong Kong did declare itself independent and the US recognised them and sent support their is nothing China could do aside from all out war, which China would also like to avoid. And America has already been on the side of HK against China historically already so that's not too far of a logical leap.

I support this idea, I hope you're right.

NS Taiwan China Another NS Nation of mine:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ns_taiwan_china[/quote]
I too support WW3 because the US has decided it's bringing "democracy" to China whether the Chinese people want it to or not.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Posted by Heloin:

All Hong Kong needs is America on it's side. If Hong Kong did declare itself independent and the US recognised them and sent support their is nothing China could do aside from all out war, which China would also like to avoid. And America has already been on the side of HK against China historically already so that's not too far of a logical leap.

I support this idea, I hope you're right.

NS Taiwan China Another NS Nation of mine:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ns_taiwan_china

I too support WW3 because the US has decided it's bringing "democracy" to China whether the Chinese people want it to or not.[/quote]
Hong Kong wants it.

[Irenton]

I support this idea, I hope you're right.

NS Taiwan China Another NS Nation of mine:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ns_taiwan_china

I too support WW3 because the US has decided it's bringing "democracy" to China whether the Chinese people want it to or not.

Hong Kong wants it.[/quote]
And all the millions in Hong Kong who don't? All the 1.4 billion Chinese who don't?

[Grenartia]

And all the millions in Hong Kong who don't? All the 1.4 billion Chinese who don't?

I cannot imagine anyone actually likes the slavery they endure under the PRC.

[Irenton]

And all the millions in Hong Kong who don't? All the 1.4 billion Chinese who don't?

I cannot imagine anyone actually likes the slavery they endure under the PRC.

I'm sure you, a westerner with no infomation on the subject, can tap into the collective consciousness of everyone in China

[LiberNovusAmericae]

And all the millions in Hong Kong who don't? All the 1.4 billion Chinese who don't?

I cannot imagine anyone actually likes the slavery they endure under the PRC.

Except the cronies who benifit.

[Grenartia]

I cannot imagine anyone actually likes the slavery they endure under the PRC.

I'm sure you, a westerner with no infomation on the subject, can tap into the collective consciousness of everyone in China

You said, after doing the exact same thing yourself.

I cannot imagine anyone actually likes the slavery they endure under the PRC.

Except the cronies who benifit.

Yeah, I'll give you that.

[Cantonese Union]

And all the millions in Hong Kong who don't? All the 1.4 billion Chinese who don't?

I cannot imagine anyone actually likes the slavery they endure under the PRC.

People with wealth, permanent residency in [insert country here] & connections like it.

(Until they get investigated because of some factional infighting in Zhongnanhai, but other than that...)

[North German Realm]

I cannot imagine anyone actually likes the slavery they endure under the PRC.

I'm sure you, a westerner with no infomation on the subject, can tap into the collective consciousness of everyone in China

Then they can be dragged into civilization by the scruff of their neck. This isn't about what the Chinese people want, it's about the evident threat China has presented to the civilized world ever since WW2 ended.

[Irenton]

I'm sure you, a westerner with no infomation on the subject, can tap into the collective consciousness of everyone in China

You said, after doing the exact same thing yourself.

Except the cronies who benifit.

Yeah, I'll give you that.

I never claimed to, even then, I've done actual research. I now expect you'll regale me with tales of the OogUr Muslims who are being systematically thrown off cliffs by Xi Jingping himself, even as the OIC says the Chinese policies are excellent.

[Irenton]

I'm sure you, a westerner with no infomation on the subject, can tap into the collective consciousness of everyone in China

Then they can be dragged into civilization by the scruff of their neck. This isn't about what the Chinese people want, it's about the evident threat China has presented to the civilized world ever since WW2 ended.

That sounds very Imperialistic of you. Yeah, lets just murder millions of Chinese people to bring them into "civilisation", when they're working completely fine currently.

[North German Realm]

Then they can be dragged into civilization by the scruff of their neck. This isn't about what the Chinese people want, it's about the evident threat China has presented to the civilized world ever since WW2 ended.

That sounds very Imperialistic of you. Yeah, lets just murder millions of Chinese people to bring them into "civilisation", when they're working completely fine currently.

I've never claimed to be anti-Imperialist, and I never will. If the Chinese Government would hold the Chinese people hostage, then they're the ones at fault.

[Uiiop]

You said, after doing the exact same thing yourself.



Yeah, I'll give you that.

I never claimed to, even then, I've done actual research. I now expect you'll regale me with tales of the OogUr Muslims who are being systematically thrown off cliffs by Xi Jingping himself, even as the OIC says the Chinese policies are excellent.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180801041 ... 88533.html *does shaky hand motion*
Besides aren't they non-native perspectives and at least partly non-Asian?

[Eodor]

That sounds very Imperialistic of you. Yeah, lets just murder millions of Chinese people to bring them into "civilisation", when they're working completely fine currently.

I've never claimed to be anti-Imperialist, and I never will. If the Chinese Government would hold the Chinese people hostage, then they're the ones at fault.

Sounds like you're the one who wants the Chinese people to be hostage.

[Duhon]

You know, I've already explained how the hell someone can like four months ago, then again two months ago, then again a few weeks ago. I feel that you being wilfully ignorant and pretending that the protests are just foreign puppets is frankly disgusting. You can leave HK whenever you want, those protesters can't.


Because they have a higher sense of honour and duty then you could ever have.

if they had such high sense of honour and duty, why would they not be loyal to the state? to their own government and police force?

why are they destroying the economy of their own city, burning buildings, and destroying train stations?

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oh im why you dodge my snarks

[North German Realm]

I've never claimed to be anti-Imperialist, and I never will. If the Chinese Government would hold the Chinese people hostage, then they're the ones at fault.

Sounds like you're the one who wants the Chinese people to be hostage.

Within the context of what I posted, no. In general, I don't really care about the Chinese people one way or the other.

[Eodor]

I never claimed to, even then, I've done actual research. I now expect you'll regale me with tales of the OogUr Muslims who are being systematically thrown off cliffs by Xi Jingping himself, even as the OIC says the Chinese policies are excellent.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180801041 ... 88533.html *does shaky hand motion*
Besides aren't they non-native perspectives and at least partly non-Asian?

Notice how no Muslim nations condemned China's Uyghur policies.

UN didn't even report on it

[Eodor]

Sounds like you're the one who wants the Chinese people to be hostage.

Within the context of what I posted, no. In general, I don't really care about the Chinese people one way or the other.

Then you don't deserve a say on what government they have, it's as simple as that

[Uiiop]

I never claimed to, even then, I've done actual research. I now expect you'll regale me with tales of the OogUr Muslims who are being systematically thrown off cliffs by Xi Jingping himself, even as the OIC says the Chinese policies are excellent.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180801041 ... 88533.html *does shaky hand motion*
Besides aren't they non-native perspectives and at least partly non-Asian?

It's also kinda awkward when the OP and other posters are native hongkongers.
It would been fine and fair if it was just anti-imperialism but not the case here.

[Valentine Z]

https://web.archive.org/web/20180801041 ... 88533.html *does shaky hand motion*
Besides aren't they non-native perspectives and at least partly non-Asian?

Notice how no Muslim nations condemned China's Uyghur policies.

UN didn't even report on it

Of course Burma defended... I love my country so damn much...... /s

[Eodor]

Notice how no Muslim nations condemned China's Uyghur policies.

UN didn't even report on it

Of course Burma defended... I love my country so damn much...... /s

Burma has a lot to be criticised for, but atleast they have defended the PRC. It's almost like the PRC isn't actually doing anything wrong in the Uyghur areas.

[Gormwood]

https://web.archive.org/web/20180801041 ... 88533.html *does shaky hand motion*
Besides aren't they non-native perspectives and at least partly non-Asian?

Notice how no Muslim nations condemned China's Uyghur policies.

UN didn't even report on it

Being a world market gives you a blank check for human abuses. Shocker.

Unless you're claiming the Uighur internment is fake news or that it's perfectly fine.

[Valentine Z]

Of course Burma defended... I love my country so damn much...... /s

Burma has a lot to be criticised for, but atleast they have defended the PRC. It's almost like the PRC isn't actually doing anything wrong in the Uyghur areas.

As a native, no. I don't want Burma to be defending the PRC for the wrong reasons.

But let's not go there, not because I don't want to talk about it (I am more than happy to rail on my nation's politics); this is about HK, not Burma.

[Eodor]

Notice how no Muslim nations condemned China's Uyghur policies.

UN didn't even report on it

Being a world market gives you a blank check for human abuses. Shocker.

Unless you're claiming the Uighur internment is fake news or that it's perfectly fine.

"These sources don't agree with me so I'm ignoring them."

It is fake, they're education centres, you can't fall back on the usual "UN said so" because they haven't