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The UK was right to handover HK to China
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16%
The UK should have kept HK
289
20%
The UK should have set up HK as an independent, democratic state
870
60%
Other
58
4%
 
Total votes : 1448

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Militant Costco
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Postby Militant Costco » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:03 pm

True Refuge wrote:
Militant Costco wrote:Have you forgotten the fact that Japan is basically a one-party state whose Constitution is being broken every day?


Can you elaborate on this? At a glance it seems like there are a lot of parties represented in Japan’s National Diet, but I’m probably missing something due to not knowing much about Japanese politics.

There's a lot of aspects but the LDP (Liberal Democratic Party) has been in almost continuous power since 1955 when it made agreements with other parties to keep itself in power against the rising Japanese socialists. There's an extreme amount of nepotism and bribery within the Japanese government and while I won't go on as to confirm it's existence, it's pretty common belief among Japanese people that a group of influential corporations and politicians hold insider meetings about who to bring to power and who to coerce, in exchange for the LDP granting corporations subsidies and exemptions and provincial leaders investment in their region, which in turn helps them get reelected.

It's actually quite fascinating and you shouldn't just take my word for it. Books like "Japan's Dysfunctional Democracy" by Roger Bowen are what got me into this topic.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:14 pm

Militant Costco wrote:
True Refuge wrote:
Can you elaborate on this? At a glance it seems like there are a lot of parties represented in Japan’s National Diet, but I’m probably missing something due to not knowing much about Japanese politics.

There's a lot of aspects but the LDP (Liberal Democratic Party) has been in almost continuous power since 1955 when it made agreements with other parties to keep itself in power against the rising Japanese socialists. There's an extreme amount of nepotism and bribery within the Japanese government and while I won't go on as to confirm it's existence, it's pretty common belief among Japanese people that a group of influential corporations and politicians hold insider meetings about who to bring to power and who to coerce, in exchange for the LDP granting corporations subsidies and exemptions and provincial leaders investment in their region, which in turn helps them get reelected.

It's actually quite fascinating and you shouldn't just take my word for it. Books like "Japan's Dysfunctional Democracy" by Roger Bowen are what got me into this topic.


Why is Japan being america?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:15 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:What I am saying is fuck your trains, children are being arrested


If anything, more arrests need to be made to stop the vandalism and Molotov throwing


If anything the CCP should be overthrown by any means necessary for the future of the Chinese people.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Militant Costco
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Postby Militant Costco » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:17 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Militant Costco wrote:There's a lot of aspects but the LDP (Liberal Democratic Party) has been in almost continuous power since 1955 when it made agreements with other parties to keep itself in power against the rising Japanese socialists. There's an extreme amount of nepotism and bribery within the Japanese government and while I won't go on as to confirm it's existence, it's pretty common belief among Japanese people that a group of influential corporations and politicians hold insider meetings about who to bring to power and who to coerce, in exchange for the LDP granting corporations subsidies and exemptions and provincial leaders investment in their region, which in turn helps them get reelected.

It's actually quite fascinating and you shouldn't just take my word for it. Books like "Japan's Dysfunctional Democracy" by Roger Bowen are what got me into this topic.


Why is Japan being america?

It's not like their entire government system was created by Americans.

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Postby Pretty Much God » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:17 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
If anything, more arrests need to be made to stop the vandalism and Molotov throwing


If anything the CCP should be overthrown by any means necessary for the future of the Chinese people.

If anything the entire Chinese system and all of the institutions it was built on needs to be tied to boulders and thrown in the Mediterranean.
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Postby Militant Costco » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:18 pm

Pretty Much God wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
If anything the CCP should be overthrown by any means necessary for the future of the Chinese people.

If anything the entire Chinese system and all of the institutions it was built on needs to be tied to boulders and thrown in the Mediterranean.

If anything, that's how the CCP got in power in the first place.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:24 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
If anything, more arrests need to be made to stop the vandalism and Molotov throwing


If anything the CCP should be overthrown by any means necessary for the future of the Chinese people.


If anything these protestors need to be stopped in the name of law and order through any means necessary

For the future of the Chinese people

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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:27 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
If anything the CCP should be overthrown by any means necessary for the future of the Chinese people.


If anything these protestors need to be stopped in the name of law and order through any means necessary

For the future of the Chinese people

Law and order ain’t shit.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:33 pm

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
If anything these protestors need to be stopped in the name of law and order through any means necessary

For the future of the Chinese people

Law and order ain’t shit.


It’s everything

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:34 pm

Pretty Much God wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
If anything the CCP should be overthrown by any means necessary for the future of the Chinese people.

If anything the entire Chinese system and all of the institutions it was built on needs to be tied to boulders and thrown in the Mediterranean.


This is a very sinophobic sentiment

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Postby Pretty Much God » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:44 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Pretty Much God wrote:If anything the entire Chinese system and all of the institutions it was built on needs to be tied to boulders and thrown in the Mediterranean.


This is a very sinophobic sentiment

I was actually being tame all things considered
I think China's systems and instutions belong in the bottom of the Pacific, never to be seen again.

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
If anything the CCP should be overthrown by any means necessary for the future of the Chinese people.


If anything these protestors need to be stopped in the name of law and order through any means necessary

For the future of the Chinese people

The "future of the Chinese people" has nothing to do with Hong Kong, who refuse to identify as Chinese in the first place. China's people can do perfectly fine if China skedaddles away from Hong Kong.


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Please god I hope China takes the adbots with it
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Genesis 25:30
"He said to Jacob, “Let me gulp down some of that red stuff; I’m starving.”

Called an Antichrist/heretic by
currently: 1
individual.

#standwithhongkong
God is a Yang-ocrat
God would part the Red Sea for you.
But more importantly, God. Never. Forsakes. ;)
Discretion: Naturally with GoFundMe, some might not be legitimate.

you don't have to but it'd be really cool if you did
like "free passage into heaven" cool
https://www.gofundme.com/f/free-hong-ko ... ning-night
https://www.gofundme.com/f/hong-kong-re ... -democracy
https://www.gofundme.com/f/flags-and-ge ... t-hongkong
https://www.gofundme.com/f/hong-kong-re ... ocumentary

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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:55 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
If anything the CCP should be overthrown by any means necessary for the future of the Chinese people.


If anything these protestors need to be stopped in the name of law and order through any means necessary

For the future of the Chinese people


Can't be much of a future for them when they keep getting sent to the gulags that you don't wanna talk about
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:01 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
If anything these protestors need to be stopped in the name of law and order through any means necessary

For the future of the Chinese people


Can't be much of a future for them when they keep getting sent to the gulags that you don't wanna talk about

Not to mention that such sentiments don't seem to consider the future of the people of Hong Kong (who don't feel Chinese).
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Postby Relikai » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:27 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Pretty Much God wrote:If anything the entire Chinese system and all of the institutions it was built on needs to be tied to boulders and thrown in the Mediterranean.


This is a very sinophobic sentiment


I mean it is something embedded. Got to grow a thick skin and not respond to these taunts.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:11 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
If anything these protestors need to be stopped in the name of law and order through any means necessary

For the future of the Chinese people


Can't be much of a future for them when they keep getting sent to the gulags that you don't wanna talk about


Conspiracy theories mean nothing to me

If people were being sent to gulags en mass these protests would have stopped long ago

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:12 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Can't be much of a future for them when they keep getting sent to the gulags that you don't wanna talk about

Not to mention that such sentiments don't seem to consider the future of the people of Hong Kong (who don't feel Chinese).


Doesn’t matter how they feel

It’s a fact

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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:14 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kowani wrote:Law and order ain’t shit.


It’s everything

Miss me with that shit, chief.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:15 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Conspiracy theories mean nothing to me

Except when those theories support boot licking, as opposed to fighting against it.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:17 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Conspiracy theories mean nothing to me

Except when those theories support boot licking, as opposed to fighting against it.


Nope

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Postby Duhon » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:18 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kowani wrote:Law and order ain’t shit.


It’s everything


when those in power are themselves corrupt and at any rate unaccountable
when those in power would seek fit to seek you out and send you off because you spend time on this specific thread entertaining our attacks on your country
law and order ain't shit

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:19 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Except when those theories support boot licking, as opposed to fighting against it.


Nope

You used conspiracy theories alleging an imperialist plot before, when there was no evidence of such a modern day plot.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:20 pm

Duhon wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
It’s everything


when those in power are themselves corrupt and at any rate unaccountable
when those in power would seek fit to seek you out and send you off because you spend time on this specific thread entertaining our attacks on your country
law and order ain't shit


This sounds like the protestors to me

They are the ones actively destroying this city right now

I only need to walk right outside to see what they have done

The train station was literally smashed up and everything is graffitied now, shops are closing left and right in the neighborhood

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:21 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Duhon wrote:
when those in power are themselves corrupt and at any rate unaccountable
when those in power would seek fit to seek you out and send you off because you spend time on this specific thread entertaining our attacks on your country
law and order ain't shit


This sounds like the protestors to me

They are the ones actively destroying this city right now

I only need to walk right outside to see what they have done

The train station was literally smashed up and everything is graffitied now, shops are closing left and right in the neighborhood

And that wouldn't be happening if peaceful dissent was allowed.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:22 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
This sounds like the protestors to me

They are the ones actively destroying this city right now

I only need to walk right outside to see what they have done

The train station was literally smashed up and everything is graffitied now, shops are closing left and right in the neighborhood

And that wouldn't be happening if peaceful dissent was allowed.


It was allowed

Otherwise the protests would have long ago stopped

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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:23 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Duhon wrote:
when those in power are themselves corrupt and at any rate unaccountable
when those in power would seek fit to seek you out and send you off because you spend time on this specific thread entertaining our attacks on your country
law and order ain't shit


This sounds like the protestors to me

They are the ones actively destroying this city right now

I only need to walk right outside to see what they have done

The train station was literally smashed up and everything is graffitied now, shops are closing left and right in the neighborhood

And if China had allowed peaceful dissent, and actually listened, that wouldn’t have happened.
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