Hong Kong

[Infected Mushroom]

lip service support is saying "I support the protests" while not protesting

You're saying that one of the largest protests in history isn't proof of popular support. You're either just lying or don't know what you're talking about.

there isn't popular support if you've only got a small percentage of people protesting though

[Neanderthaland]

No, that's dumb. Most people don't show up to protests even if they strongly agree with them. 30% of the population makes this arguably the most strongly publicly supported protest ever.

if they don't show up to protest, then they don't support the protest

and if they support it, its only lip service

those are facts

No one other then you thinks this is a reasonable stance. Consider that.

[Heloin]

You're saying that one of the largest protests in history isn't proof of popular support. You're either just lying or don't know what you're talking about.

there isn't popular support if you've only got a small percentage of people protesting though

Then you're lying, because that's is a lie.

[Infected Mushroom]

if they don't show up to protest, then they don't support the protest

and if they support it, its only lip service

those are facts

No one other then you thinks this is a reasonable stance. Consider that.

if you're not protesting yourself, then how can you (unless you're abroad) be considered a serious supporter?

[Infected Mushroom]

there isn't popular support if you've only got a small percentage of people protesting though

Then you're lying, because that's is a lie.

2 million is a small percentage of the complete population of Hong Kong, its not even half

[Infected Mushroom]

^

Not to mention, the ~2 million was a high point. At any time NOW there's definitely not 2 million people on the streets.

That was just a one off.

[Neanderthaland]

No one other then you thinks this is a reasonable stance. Consider that.

if you're not protesting yourself, then how can you (unless you're abroad) be considered a serious supporter?

Consider that nobody other then you has difficulty answering that question. And concede that you are unable to answer only because you refuse to do so out of bias.

Because these two facts are obvious to everyone else in this discussion.

[Heloin]

Then you're lying, because that's is a lie.

2 million is a small percentage of the complete population of Hong Kong, its not even half

It's a plurality. In fact it's such as massive plurality that it's puts most other protests in history to shame. It is absolutely dishonest to try and frame this as not having popular support when this is the one of the greatest showings of popular support ever.

[Kaltovar]

That's a real stupid kind of logic you're working on right there.

lip service support is saying "I support the protests" while not protesting

I notice you still won't address the fact that Daddy Xi is basically Hitler. Let's go with the checklist, here ...

Concentration camps? Check.
Un-Anesthetized surgery for medical science? Check.
Religious persecution? Check.
Ethnic persecution and belief in a single unifying race and culture to which all others are subordinate? Check.
Near total control of the economy "for the people" while still allowing capitalism and giving most benefits to party-loyalists willing to commit atrocities? Check.
Censorship of history to venerate the Aryan "Chinese" (Read: Han and only Han) race? Check.
Conquest of territorial neighbors based on dubious historical claims? Check.
Constant aggressive threats to everyone while portraying self as victim cuz everyone else is mean and out to get them? Check.
Flagrant and constant violations of international law because "The international courts are controlled by Jews Foreign Devils"? Check.

[Infected Mushroom]

if you're not protesting yourself, then how can you (unless you're abroad) be considered a serious supporter?

Consider that nobody other then you has difficulty answering that question. And concede that you are unable to answer only because you refuse to do so out of bias.

Because these two facts are obvious to everyone else in this discussion.

this isn't a real argument

[Infected Mushroom]

2 million is a small percentage of the complete population of Hong Kong, its not even half

It's a plurality. In fact it's such as massive plurality that it's puts most other protests in history to shame. It is absolutely dishonest to try and frame this as not having popular support when this is the one of the greatest showings of popular support ever.

popular means, having "widespread support" the support cannot be said to be widespread if not even half of the people would join the protestors

[Kaltovar]

popular means, having "widespread support" the support cannot be said to be widespread if not even half of the people would join the protestors

I'm starting to seriously think you're either trolling, or unable to form new short-term memories.

[Neanderthaland]

Consider that nobody other then you has difficulty answering that question. And concede that you are unable to answer only because you refuse to do so out of bias.

Because these two facts are obvious to everyone else in this discussion.

this isn't a real argument

It's hard to do anything to your argument other than point and laugh. It's so transparently wrong to call one of the largest showings of popular support ever "small" that there's nothing else you can do.

And everyone sees it. Everyone but you.

The problem is not with everyone else.

[Heloin]

It's a plurality. In fact it's such as massive plurality that it's puts most other protests in history to shame. It is absolutely dishonest to try and frame this as not having popular support when this is the one of the greatest showings of popular support ever.

popular means, having "widespread support" the support cannot be said to be widespread if not even half of the people would join the protestors

Because you keep trying to paint this new false narrative doesn't actually mean anything you are saying is correct. Just because you don't want this to have popular support doesn't disprove the reality you are trying to hide from.

[Kaltovar]

Alright. Now that they've logged off and that horrific incident of terror is over ... YAY HONGKONG! Hope you guys get your freedom, and I'm glad to hear Taiwan is taking refugees!

[New Bremerton]

@IM Going by your logic, if China doesn't need HK at all, then WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY STILL CLINGING ON TO IT? And HKers are not that dumb. They know who's REALLY to blame for all this upheaval, and it's Beijing. You and Pur repeating the same tired old LIES about the protesters (i.e. EVERYDAY YOUNG PEOPLE) "attacking innocent people, burning shops, raping, pillaging, looting, arson and other made-up shit" over and over doesn't make them true. If public opinion was turning against the protesters, there would be massive COUNTERPROTESTS far dwarving the police and blue shirt and white shirt thugs currently targeting INNOCENT PEOPLE, and the fake pro-Beijing shills who are obviously paid by Beijing to come to HK and stir up trouble, and local residents of all ages and backgrounds would be shouting at the protesters to go home.

If this was Singapore we were talking about where the population has been mollycoddled and brainwashed into submissive docility and willing subservience by a certain, now-deceased dictator, you would have a point. But this is NOT Singapore. This is Hong Kong, where protesters wave U.S. flags and sing the U.S. national anthem because they KNOW what it means to truly be FREE. They are liberal and Westernized, and PROUD OF IT, unlike you and Pur. And unlike you two, I'm willing to stand side by side with them in solidarity because I care about freedom as much as they do, no matter what the future may hold, because I go by principle, not just economics or personal self-interest alone. Being the richest person in the world means jack shit to me if I don't have freedom of speech, privacy, conscience and so forth. You two are prepared to throw an entire population under the bus purely for the sake of economic stability and personal convenience, even if it means potentially MASSIVE bloodshed at the hands of the PLA. Both of you should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves.

[Infected Mushroom]

popular means, having "widespread support" the support cannot be said to be widespread if not even half of the people would join the protestors

Because you keep trying to paint this new false narrative doesn't actually mean anything you are saying is correct. Just because you don't want this to have popular support doesn't disprove the reality you are trying to hide from.

The percentage does not indicate popular support

There’s no proof of majority support of any kind

[Heloin]

Because you keep trying to paint this new false narrative doesn't actually mean anything you are saying is correct. Just because you don't want this to have popular support doesn't disprove the reality you are trying to hide from.

The percentage does not indicate popular support

There’s no proof of majority support of any kind

You really like dancing around that maypole don't you? Aside from the fact popular support has never, in all of human history, meant over 50%, that fact that the largest plurality of people have at some point participated in the protests doesn't make you think they have popular support? Do you truly think that? Because there is no basis in reality for the idea that there isn't popular support.

[North German Realm]

Because you keep trying to paint this new false narrative doesn't actually mean anything you are saying is correct. Just because you don't want this to have popular support doesn't disprove the reality you are trying to hide from.

The percentage does not indicate popular support

There’s no proof of majority support of any kind

28% of the population are literally out in the streets in protest. That's actually a larger number than most protests anywhere in the world get.

[Neanderthaland]

The percentage does not indicate popular support

There’s no proof of majority support of any kind

28% of the population are literally out in the streets in protest. That's actually a larger number than most protests anywhere in the world get.

I sincerely doubt that a third of the French population was directly involved in the French revolution. Probably not even in Paris. I guess that means in never happened. The Bourbons will be thrilled.

[Infected Mushroom]

The percentage does not indicate popular support

There’s no proof of majority support of any kind

28% of the population are literally out in the streets in protest. That's actually a larger number than most protests anywhere in the world get.

Not at all points in time

This suggests that the support for this movement is inconsistent and subject to other influences

You cite this high 2 million numbers but at most times of the day that’s not the number marching

[Infected Mushroom]

The percentage does not indicate popular support

There’s no proof of majority support of any kind

You really like dancing around that maypole don't you? Aside from the fact popular support has never, in all of human history, meant over 50%, that fact that the largest plurality of people have at some point participated in the protests doesn't make you think they have popular support? Do you truly think that? Because there is no basis in reality for the idea that there isn't popular support.

The basis is that most people are just trying to lead normal lives

Aka go to work and stuff

So when school starts, it should be expected that the support base would dwindle since the young are over represented

[Infected Mushroom]

28% of the population are literally out in the streets in protest. That's actually a larger number than most protests anywhere in the world get.

I sincerely doubt that a third of the French population was directly involved in the French revolution. Probably not even in Paris. I guess that means in never happened. The Bourbons will be thrilled.

I’m not sure it had majority support at any point tbh

[Neanderthaland]

I sincerely doubt that a third of the French population was directly involved in the French revolution. Probably not even in Paris. I guess that means in never happened. The Bourbons will be thrilled.

I’m not sure it had majority support at any point tbh

Then they accomplished a lot without it, and your insistence upon majority support is pointless.

[Infected Mushroom]

I’m not sure it had majority support at any point tbh

Then they accomplished a lot without it, and your insistence upon majority support is pointless.

In fact, if you were somehow able to poll the people during the Revolution I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of peasants actually supported their king

They were just too scared, disorganized and distracted by work to oppose the radical rebels