Hong Kong

[Otira]

What if they realize that's the attitude and press for more? Did appeasement work with the Nazis? Do you let them take what they want under threat of nuclear destruction?

First off Hong Kong is technically part of China so it's kinda already theirs. Second off its gonna lose any autonomy it still has in 2047 anyhow so it's a lost cause. Third, what is your alternative? Get into a war with china and bring about the events of the film Threads?

I take it your answers to my questions are "so what," "i don't know" and "yes." To which my response to your question is: you have to stand up to authoritarians at some point.

[Rojava Free State]

And how do you suppose we can deal with them decisively? "Leave Hong Kong alone or we'll put every man woman and child on earth in danger"?

Is it kosher to advocate for pulling off assassination of tyrants here?

We needed a person from the region to come up with an idea that might have some leverage. I actually didn't think of thatb

[The New California Republic]

Just as an aside, that film has serious errors in it.

Pretty sure we can all agree a nuclear war would be a catastrophe for mankind. May not go down exactly as in threads but we know from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that nukes are horrific weapons

Sure, I know, just pointing it out.

[The South Falls]

Is it kosher to advocate for pulling off assassination of tyrants here?

We needed a person from the region to come up with an idea that might have some leverage. I actually didn't think of thatb

Assassination of Xi is almost impossible, what with the security and all.

[Neko-koku]

Is it kosher to advocate for pulling off assassination of tyrants here?

We needed a person from the region to come up with an idea that might have some leverage. I actually didn't think of thatb

If folks in China were as militant as Arabs there could have been no PRC at all in fucking 2019.

[Rojava Free State]

First off Hong Kong is technically part of China so it's kinda already theirs. Second off its gonna lose any autonomy it still has in 2047 anyhow so it's a lost cause. Third, what is your alternative? Get into a war with china and bring about the events of the film Threads?

I take it your answers to my questions are "so what," "i don't know" and "yes." To which my response to your question is: you have to stand up to authoritarians at some point.

I believe in standing up to authoritarians in your own nation. I don't believe in military intervention that could bring about the apocalypse. I support the people of Hong Kong as the fight for freedom but starting a war over an island? no. I'm not willing to die by ICBM strike and I'm not willing to die that way over an island

[Neko-koku]

We needed a person from the region to come up with an idea that might have some leverage. I actually didn't think of thatb

Assassination of Xi is almost impossible, what with the security and all.

>Implying that his security actually likes him

[Rojava Free State]

We needed a person from the region to come up with an idea that might have some leverage. I actually didn't think of thatb

If folks in China were as militant as Arabs there could have been no PRC at all in fucking 2019.

I mentioned earlier that too many people in Asia are too passive with tyranrs. They're more worried about "social order" than they are about big brother watching them

[Neko-koku]

I take it your answers to my questions are "so what," "i don't know" and "yes." To which my response to your question is: you have to stand up to authoritarians at some point.

I believe in standing up to authoritarians in your own nation. I don't believe in military intervention that could bring about the apocalypse. I support the people of Hong Kong as the fight for freedom but starting a war over an island? no. I'm not willing to die by ICBM strike and I'm not willing to die that way over an island

Then you can't solve authoritarianism because even the most authoritarian folks in the West tend to be uber social liberal by foreign standards.

[The South Falls]

Assassination of Xi is almost impossible, what with the security and all.

>Implying that his security actually likes him

>Implying that his security hasn't been brainwashed...

[Rojava Free State]

I believe in standing up to authoritarians in your own nation. I don't believe in military intervention that could bring about the apocalypse. I support the people of Hong Kong as the fight for freedom but starting a war over an island? no. I'm not willing to die by ICBM strike and I'm not willing to die that way over an island

Then you can't solve authoritarianism because even the most authoritarian folks in the West tend to be uber social liberal by foreign standards.

You solve it from within. Remember the policing practices in Ferguson Missouri and how they were heavy handedly ticketing poor black folks because they knew they were an easy target? No foreign army stood up to the Ferguson police. The locals did

[Novus America]

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/28/h ... zens-poll/

This is interesting. The young in Hong Kong generally want no part of Xi’s regime.

[Otira]

I take it your answers to my questions are "so what," "i don't know" and "yes." To which my response to your question is: you have to stand up to authoritarians at some point.

I believe in standing up to authoritarians in your own nation. I don't believe in military intervention that could bring about the apocalypse. I support the people of Hong Kong as the fight for freedom but starting a war over an island? no. I'm not willing to die by ICBM strike and I'm not willing to die that way over an island

That attitude is what helped let the Nazis exterminate millions.

So your opinion is predicated on the idea that a war would inevitably end in a nuclear exchange. Assuming it wouldn't, would you still oppose reigning in authoritarians who mass-murder people?

[Neko-koku]

>Implying that his security actually likes him

>Implying that his security hasn't been brainwashed...

>Implying that people in China tend to be sincere about political beliefs.

Believe me, I'm right unless Xi has significantly brainwashed people since 2012 to an extent I have never seen before.

[Neko-koku]

Then you can't solve authoritarianism because even the most authoritarian folks in the West tend to be uber social liberal by foreign standards.

You solve it from within. Remember the policing practices in Ferguson Missouri and how they were heavy handedly ticketing poor black folks because they knew they were an easy target? No foreign army stood up to the Ferguson police. The locals did

Sigh. You probably don't even know what real authoritarianism is like.

[The South Falls]

>Implying that his security hasn't been brainwashed...

>Implying that people in China tend to be sincere about political beliefs.

Believe me, I'm right unless Xi has significantly brainwashed people since 2012 to an extent I have never seen before.

Who knows, man. But I don't think you could induce his security to end him. Or even to get close to him.

[Jolthig]

So what exactly does China have then for a military if the PLA is only for the CCP?

If you mean occupied China..then nothing.

So while by paper the PLA is the wing of the CCP, could we not on a national scale, consider the PLA the military of China since the CCP is literally the only party allowed and controls China?

[Neko-koku]

If folks in China were as militant as Arabs there could have been no PRC at all in fucking 2019.

I mentioned earlier that too many people in Asia are too passive with tyranrs. They're more worried about "social order" than they are about big brother watching them

Why do you think that doesn't apply to places such as Thailand and the Philippines?

OK here is some little secret about China. Historically the only alternative to despotism is organized Zhangism, that is, cannibalistic & murderous Zhang Xianzhong bandits roam everywhere and kill random people for lulz. Even fucking Mao is less bad compared to a period of Zhangism. Think about millions of Elliot Rodgerses roaming and killing people.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Ah, the end of Hong Kong's autonomy is coming. Eh, how long until the Chinese Military mobilizes?

Probably not wrong. Time for the People's Liberation Army to liberate Hong Kong of its pesky freedoms.

[Neko-koku]

If you mean occupied China..then nothing.

So while by paper the PLA is the wing of the CCP, could we not on a national scale, consider the PLA the military of China since the CCP is literally the only party allowed and controls China?

Technically that isn't true. There are also hilarious puppet parties such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiusan_Society .

[The South Falls]

Ah, the end of Hong Kong's autonomy is coming. Eh, how long until the Chinese Military mobilizes?

Probably not wrong. Time for the People's Liberation Army to liberate Hong Kong of its pesky freedoms.

And annihlate those pesky protestors.

[Novus America]

You lack the vision of the bigger picture, the Russians won’t stop at Crimea and these motherfuckers won’t stop here. The powers that be in Europe and in Washington lack the stomach for war? Fine. But when we wake up and see that at times war is needed? Will it be too late?

They've been warning us since the cold war that Russia would keep taking over more of europe.

It's funny cause not only did it not happen, but Russia lost control over many places such as east germany. I highly doubt putin is gonna keep taking over Europe and I highly doubt China will expand farther afield either considering they never have anytime in history. I'm not willing to see mushroom clouds rise over our major cities just because China went into an island they technically control and we decided war was the answer

You do realize that the only reason the USSR did not take over Europe is we stopped them?
By threatening them with nuclear weapons?

Look I am not saying we invade the PRC. I am saying we use containment, economic and and demographics warfare to bring it to heel.

[Otira]

Then you can't solve authoritarianism because even the most authoritarian folks in the West tend to be uber social liberal by foreign standards.

You solve it from within. Remember the policing practices in Ferguson Missouri and how they were heavy handedly ticketing poor black folks because they knew they were an easy target? No foreign army stood up to the Ferguson police. The locals did

What did they change, apart from burning down their own homes and shops? Murder, rape and armed robbery rates have all gone up. Is that what you mean?

[Jolthig]

So while by paper the PLA is the wing of the CCP, could we not on a national scale, consider the PLA the military of China since the CCP is literally the only party allowed and controls China?

Technically that isn't true. There are also hilarious puppet parties such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiusan_Society .

Right, I forgot about those.

But you still get what I was trying to say right?

[Zurkerx]

Ah, the end of Hong Kong's autonomy is coming. Eh, how long until the Chinese Military mobilizes?

They already are. The question is how long till they enter Hong Kong

Well, what I mean by mobilized is that they storm Hong Kong. They have yet to do that. But I am aware the military is on standby.