Hong Kong

[Thermodolia]

With the military build up it's looking like Tiananmen Square II.

And the UN said to have “restraint.”

Doesn’t the UN know that they are a joke to countries with the military might to tell them to fuck off or ignore them?

The UN might not have the authority to tell China to have some restraint but the US and co does. NATO plus Japan, ROK, Vietnam, Thailand and others can all join together and tell China to back the fuck off.

[Neko-koku]

The PLA is the armed forces of the PRC. I don't know what way you are trying to twist and distort that fact to make it seem not true, but the fact that you are even trying to is just fucking ridiculous.

Technically they are the armed wing of the CCP. Always have been.

Yep. Was SS the military of Germany?

[Loben The 2nd]

And the UN said to have “restraint.”

Doesn’t the UN know that they are a joke to countries with the military might to tell them to fuck off or ignore them?

The UN might not have the authority to tell China to have some restraint but the US and co does. NATO plus Japan, ROK, Vietnam, Thailand and others can all join together and tell China to back the fuck off.

We have people here bitching and moaning about the current trade war. We made a fucking deal with the devil and now we’re paying for it.

[Thermodolia]

Is the Islamic State a country?

The PLA is the armed forces of the PRC. I don't know what way you are trying to twist and distort that fact to make it seem not true, but the fact that you are even trying to is just fucking ridiculous.

The PLA is not the armed forces of the PRC but the armed wing of the CPC. They have no loyalty to the nation, only the party

[Estanglia]

Kinda. It wasn't recognized by anyone but it had all the trappings of a country

The PLA is the Chinese army. It started out as a militia but now is the defense force of a nation recognized by every one except Hong Kong

I mean america's army traces it's roots back to the continenrals who were basically a militant group

Well, the PRC is the illegally occupied parts of Republic of China legally (that's right) in the same sense that Mosul between 2014 and 2018 was an illegally occupied Iraqi city. Since PRC and IS are illegal rebel groups controlling territories just like the Taliban or the former FARC they don't have militaries. The so-called PLA is as much of a Chinese military as ISIS militants in Iraq are the Iraqi military.

Consider the fact that pretty much every country bar the ROC recognises the PRC as legitimate, and I can't think of a country that recognised ISIS as a country.

[The New California Republic]

The thing is that Xi and co don’t give a shit. The west is dealing with people who quite frankly don’t give a flying fuck about human rights, death, or anything else that the west cares about. And unfortunately the west is going to sit on its ass because we don’t want to upset Xi and his cronies for some strange reason

There has been a gradual loss of restraint on the part of the police. They will be clearly told during training to not use tear gas inside buildings, and the fact that they have started doing so either means that the command and control and discipline mechanisms inside the HK police are starting to break down, or they have been told to start using tear gas in all situations to disperse protesters.

[Loben The 2nd]

Technically they are the armed wing of the CCP. Always have been.

Yep. Was SS the military of Germany?

Technically, armed wing of the nazi party with their own equipment procurement system.

[The New California Republic]

The PLA is the armed forces of the PRC. I don't know what way you are trying to twist and distort that fact to make it seem not true, but the fact that you are even trying to is just fucking ridiculous.

Technically they are the armed wing of the CCP. Always have been.

They are still the armed forces of the PRC though, just like the NVA was the armed forces of East Germany.

[Thermodolia]

The UN might not have the authority to tell China to have some restraint but the US and co does. NATO plus Japan, ROK, Vietnam, Thailand and others can all join together and tell China to back the fuck off.

We have people here bitching and moaning about the current trade war. We made a fucking deal with the devil and now we’re paying for it.

All we have to do is reframe the trade war argument as a way to get China to stop oppression of minorities. Within a few days you’d have the majority of the liberals supporting you

[The South Falls]

Considering the fact you support North Korea, I'm surprised you wouldn't consider China communist. Is it not totalitarian enough for you?

Corporations flourish in China and the free market reigns supreme there. It's far from communist. It's definitely a totalitarian nightmare but anything communist about it died under deng xiaopeng. North Korea is communist as hell, but China isnt. It isn't about how tyrannical the state is. It's about what the tyrants are cool with

China has always been a land of tyrants and autocrats.

[Loben The 2nd]

Technically they are the armed wing of the CCP. Always have been.

They are still the armed forces of the PRC though, just like the NVA was the armed forces of East Germany.

Not quite, they’re pledged to the CCP.

[The New California Republic]

Technically they are the armed wing of the CCP. Always have been.

Yep. Was SS the military of Germany?

Not equivalent. A better comparison would be the Wehrmacht, which again proves your assertion wrong.

[The New California Republic]

They are still the armed forces of the PRC though, just like the NVA was the armed forces of East Germany.

Not quite, they’re pledged to the CCP.

And the NVA was pledged to the SED, but they were still the armed forces of the country...

[Neko-koku]

How is the so-called PRC a country while IS isn't? Neither is legitimate.

Legitimacy of a government doesn't determine whether or not the country the government controls is a country.

Did Venezuela stop being a country when Guaidó declared himself the acting president and a bunch of countries recognised him?

Right. However by this standard CCP doesn't actually control China because they don't control Taiwan. It is just a particularly successful rebel group.

Venezuela does not stop being a country when Guaido declared himself the acting president. China did not stop being a country after CCP took power. All I'm arguing is that:

1. PRC isn't a legitimate state.
2. The armed wing of CCP, the PLA, is not the military of China.
3. The fucking CCP does not represent the Chinese people.

[Rojava Free State]

And the UN said to have “restraint.”

Doesn’t the UN know that they are a joke to countries with the military might to tell them to fuck off or ignore them?

The UN might not have the authority to tell China to have some restraint but the US and co does. NATO plus Japan, ROK, Vietnam, Thailand and others can all join together and tell China to back the fuck off.

Or else what? They'll start World war III over an island? The US government already knows China abuses people's rights. Have you seen them do anything? No, because our government only points out human rights abuses when it's a country we don't like. When it's china, a major trade partner, it's nothing but cricket noises

[Estanglia]

They are still the armed forces of the PRC though, just like the NVA was the armed forces of East Germany.

Not quite, they’re pledged to the CCP.

The ruling party of the PRC, and thus the government and the country the government rules.

[Loben The 2nd]

Not quite, they’re pledged to the CCP.

The ruling party of the PRC, and thus the government and the country the government rules.

Annnnd no CCP means no PLA.

[Neko-koku]

Yep. Was SS the military of Germany?

Not equivalent. A better comparison would be the Wehrmacht, which again proves your assertion wrong.

Nope. The Wehrmacht was the military of Germany, not an armed wing of Nazis. Just like the SS the PLA is an armed wing of a totalitarian party, not the military of a state.

[The South Falls]

We have people here bitching and moaning about the current trade war. We made a fucking deal with the devil and now we’re paying for it.

All we have to do is reframe the trade war argument as a way to get China to stop oppression of minorities. Within a few days you’d have the majority of the liberals supporting you

Well, I mean, the problem is that our folks still get fucked over. We have to fuck China over further, and have recovery and subsidy plans for our farmers.

[Thermodolia]

Technically they are the armed wing of the CCP. Always have been.

They are still the armed forces of the PRC though, just like the NVA was the armed forces of East Germany.

Only nominally. The NVA wasn’t a literal branch of the party. The the NVA and the party where legally separate entities

[Jolthig]

Not equivalent. A better comparison would be the Wehrmacht, which again proves your assertion wrong.

Nope. The Wehrmacht was the military of Germany, not an armed wing of Nazis. Just like the SS the PLA is an armed wing of a totalitarian party, not the military of a state.

So what exactly does China have then for a military if the PLA is only for the CCP?

[The New California Republic]

Not equivalent. A better comparison would be the Wehrmacht, which again proves your assertion wrong.

Nope. The Wehrmacht was the military of Germany, not an armed wing of Nazis. Just like the SS the PLA is an armed wing of a totalitarian party, not the military of a state.

Fucking wrong again mate, it's very existence was dependent on the Nazi regime:

The Wehrmacht (German pronunciation: [ˈveːɐ̯maxt] (About this soundlisten), lit. defence force) was the unified armed forces of Nazi Germany from 1935 to 1945. It consisted of the Heer (army), the Kriegsmarine (navy) and the Luftwaffe (air force). The designation "Wehrmacht" replaced the previously used term Reichswehr, and was the manifestation of the Nazi regime's efforts to rearm Germany to a greater extent than the Treaty of Versailles permitted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht

[Estanglia]

Legitimacy of a government doesn't determine whether or not the country the government controls is a country.

Did Venezuela stop being a country when Guaidó declared himself the acting president and a bunch of countries recognised him?

Right. However by this standard CCP doesn't actually control China because they don't control Taiwan. It is just a particularly successful rebel group.

Venezuela does not stop being a country when Guaido declared himself the acting president. China did not stop being a country after CCP took power. All I'm arguing is that:

1. PRC isn't a legitimate state.
2. The armed wing of CCP, the PLA, is not the military of China.
3. The fucking CCP does not represent the Chinese people.

1) Sure. We should've never recognised the PRC In the first place.
2) If by China you mean mainland China + Taiwan, sure.
3) Agreed.

[Neko-koku]

Nope. The Wehrmacht was the military of Germany, not an armed wing of Nazis. Just like the SS the PLA is an armed wing of a totalitarian party, not the military of a state.

So what exactly does China have then for a military if the PLA is only for the CCP?

If you mean occupied China..then nothing.

[Loben The 2nd]

Nope. The Wehrmacht was the military of Germany, not an armed wing of Nazis. Just like the SS the PLA is an armed wing of a totalitarian party, not the military of a state.

Fucking wrong again mate, it's very existence was dependent on the Nazi regime:

The Wehrmacht (German pronunciation: [ˈveːɐ̯maxt] (About this soundlisten), lit. defence force) was the unified armed forces of Nazi Germany from 1935 to 1945. It consisted of the Heer (army), the Kriegsmarine (navy) and the Luftwaffe (air force). The designation "Wehrmacht" replaced the previously used term Reichswehr, and was the manifestation of the Nazi regime's efforts to rearm Germany to a greater extent than the Treaty of Versailles permitted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht

More an expansion of the Reichswehr.