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The UK was right to handover HK to China
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The UK should have kept HK
289
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The UK should have set up HK as an independent, democratic state
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Other
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:32 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Duhon wrote:
The Philippines always accepts hard workers!


I did have the idea of opening a scuba resort on Bohol.

Galloism wrote:You might like Texas.


A couple of years ago I was visiting some friends in Florida and I discovered Miami.. I could consider that, the problem with Texas is I really like living by the sea. I could probably visit Houston and see what it's like.

Texas has coast.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:34 pm

Bombadil wrote:A couple of years ago I was visiting some friends in Florida and I discovered Miami.. I could consider that, the problem with Texas is I really like living by the sea. I could probably visit Houston and see what it's like.

You won't survive

But, we're better than Galveston. At least our crack addicts have the courtesy to stab people in the throat rather than the gut.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:35 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Duhon wrote:
The Philippines always accepts hard workers!


I did have the idea of opening a scuba resort on Bohol.

Galloism wrote:You might like Texas.


A couple of years ago I was visiting some friends in Florida and I discovered Miami.. I could consider that, the problem with Texas is I really like living by the sea. I could probably visit Houston and see what it's like.


What about Galveston?
Texas has a very large coastline.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:38 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:A couple of years ago I was visiting some friends in Florida and I discovered Miami.. I could consider that, the problem with Texas is I really like living by the sea. I could probably visit Houston and see what it's like.

You won't survive

But, we're better than Galveston. At least our crack addicts have the courtesy to stab people in the throat rather than the gut.


Houston is not that bad.
Nowhere near the top of crime lists.
Ranked 53rd in crime.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:38 pm

Novus America wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
I did have the idea of opening a scuba resort on Bohol.



A couple of years ago I was visiting some friends in Florida and I discovered Miami.. I could consider that, the problem with Texas is I really like living by the sea. I could probably visit Houston and see what it's like.


What about Galveston?
Texas has a very large coastline.

I would recommend corpus if you want a coastal Texas city. Galv. is like the New Jersey of Texas. It's filled with scum and villainy and nobody likes it.

Corpus has 85% less toxic waste than Galveston as well, so that's a plus
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:39 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
What about Galveston?
Texas has a very large coastline.

I would recommend corpus if you want a coastal Texas city. Galv. is like the New Jersey of Texas. It's filled with scum and villainy and nobody likes it.

Corpus has 85% less toxic waste than Galveston as well, so that's a plus


You are exaggerating. But sure there is a lot of coastline in Texas.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:40 pm

Novus America wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:I would recommend corpus if you want a coastal Texas city. Galv. is like the New Jersey of Texas. It's filled with scum and villainy and nobody likes it.

Corpus has 85% less toxic waste than Galveston as well, so that's a plus


You are exaggerating. But sure there is a lot of coastline in Texas.

Yes, I am exaggerating. But Galveston still sucks ya nerd.
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Postby Duhon » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:43 pm

You silly Americans keep on talking about coasts when us Pinoys have all the coasts.

In any case, how have things been since Monday, Dil?

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:43 pm

I read a good book on Galveston being wiped out by some storm allowing Houston to become the major city..

Another place in the US I really liked was the beaches south of LA, I remember Skechers are based there and they have a Data & Analytics position open.. I might apply..

One issue with the US is that I don't drive though Uber has partly solved that issue.

The most popular destinations for most emigrating HKers are Canada, Australia and Taiwan.

Duhon wrote:You silly Americans keep on talking about coasts when us Pinoys have all the coasts.

In any case, how have things been since Monday, Dil?


Business as usual.
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Postby Duhon » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:47 pm

No more protests given Lam's decision to junk the extradition bill for now? That's good, if not quite prescient of the protesters.

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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:50 pm

Bombadil wrote:I read a good book on Galveston being wiped out by some storm allowing Houston to become the major city..

Another place in the US I really liked was the beaches south of LA, I remember Skechers are based there and they have a Data & Analytics position open.. I might apply..

One issue with the US is that I don't drive though Uber has partly solved that issue.

The most popular destinations for most emigrating HKers are Canada, Australia and Taiwan.

Duhon wrote:You silly Americans keep on talking about coasts when us Pinoys have all the coasts.

In any case, how have things been since Monday, Dil?


Business as usual.


Southern California has beautiful beaches, but is crazy expensive near them.
San Diego is sweet if you can afford it.

Texas is cheaper by far.

But there are a lot of options if you are looking at the US.

We have a ton of coastline. And there is always Hawaii (though that is not cheap either).

Learning to drive is not hard. Admittedly our public transportation is hit or miss, and more often miss than hit though.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Othelos » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:54 pm

Free Hong Kong!! China can never be trusted to ensure democratic/human rights. The fact that anyone believed the Chinese government would let it continue its democratic traditions without manipulation for 50 years is ridiculous.

This is a total travesty! It's so sad that Hong Kong's culture and freedoms are being trampled - I support the people of Hong Kong fully to stand up for their rights.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:58 pm

Novus America wrote:Learning to drive is not hard. Admittedly our public transportation is hit or miss, and more often miss than hit though.


I have a weird thing of not intuitively knowing left from right that causes problems with driving.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:22 pm



China have stated they will not tolerate any discussions of HK at the G20.

Over HK$5 million has been raised through a crowdfunding campaign to place front-page newspaper ads in international newspapers urging readers to pressure G20 leaders to act over the city’s extradition law crisis. The fundraiser achieved its original HK$3m goal within hours on Tuesday, as over 20,000 donors made contributions.

The organiser of the campaign said a frontpage space has already been booked with the Financial Times this Thursday, ahead of Friday’s G20 summit in Osaka, Japan. However, Beijing has said that it will not allow discussion of the Hong Kong issue during the meeting.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:26 pm

Bombadil wrote:As I've said, HK will be subsumed into the megacity that is the Greater Bay Area.

On February 18, Chinese policymakers finally released the blueprint for the development of Guangdong-Hong Kong-Macau Greater Bay Area.

Much anticipated by real estate developers, industrialists, and investors alike, the Greater Bay Area (GBA) has already received plenty of attention for its ambition to transform nine mainland cities and two special administrative regions into a new Silicon Valley-type technology and innovation hub.

That integration would further prop China’s infrastructure and connectivity programs like the Belt and Road Initiative as well as strengthen the supply chain industry in higher-tech manufacturing and services.

Supporting the Greater Bay Area are three key infrastructure projects.

The first is the recently inaugurated Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau Bridge, which opened in 2018 and significantly reduces travel times from Hong Kong to Zhuhai and Macau.

The second is the Express Rail Link, which also opened in 2018 and connects Hong Kong to Shenzhen and Guangdong, and subsequently to China’s vast high-speed rail network.

A third project, the Shenzhen-Zhongshan Corridor, is expected to be completed in 2024. It will be an eight-lane highway and will reduce the travel time between Shenzhen and Zhongshan/Jiangmen by approximately 30 minutes.

Commenting on the value of these mega projects, Valeria Manunza, International Business Advisory Assistant Manager at Dezan Shira & Associates’ Guangzhou office, said, “this alignment of infrastructure development is the key to an integrated, efficient, modernized, and rapidly evolving Greater Bay Area”.


In time it won't be considered a standalone city at all.

From the preamble of the actual policy..

The Guangdong-Hong Kong-Macao Greater Bay Area (Greater Bay Area) consists of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR), the Macao Special Administrative Region (Macao SAR) as well as the municipalities of Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Zhuhai, Foshan, Huizhou, Dongguan, Zhongshan, Jiangmen and Zhaoqing in Guangdong Province (hereinafter referred to as “the nine Pearl River Delta (PRD) municipalities”), covering a total area of 56 000 square kilometres with a combined population of approximately 70 million at the end of 2017. As one of the most open and economically vibrant regions in China, the Greater Bay Area plays a significant strategic role in the overall development of the country.

Sorry.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:27 pm

Bombadil wrote:


China have stated they will not tolerate any discussions of HK at the G20.

Over HK$5 million has been raised through a crowdfunding campaign to place front-page newspaper ads in international newspapers urging readers to pressure G20 leaders to act over the city’s extradition law crisis. The fundraiser achieved its original HK$3m goal within hours on Tuesday, as over 20,000 donors made contributions.

The organiser of the campaign said a frontpage space has already been booked with the Financial Times this Thursday, ahead of Friday’s G20 summit in Osaka, Japan. However, Beijing has said that it will not allow discussion of the Hong Kong issue during the meeting.


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Of course not. The government never wants to answer for its human rights violations. I really hope international leaders bring it up anyway.

Violating the 50 year agreement is another example of China continuing to demonstrate that it can't be trusted in international diplomacy.

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:31 pm

Othelos wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
China have stated they will not tolerate any discussions of HK at the G20.

Over HK$5 million has been raised through a crowdfunding campaign to place front-page newspaper ads in international newspapers urging readers to pressure G20 leaders to act over the city’s extradition law crisis. The fundraiser achieved its original HK$3m goal within hours on Tuesday, as over 20,000 donors made contributions.

The organiser of the campaign said a frontpage space has already been booked with the Financial Times this Thursday, ahead of Friday’s G20 summit in Osaka, Japan. However, Beijing has said that it will not allow discussion of the Hong Kong issue during the meeting.


Link

Of course not. The government never wants to answer for its human rights violations. I really hope international leaders bring it up anyway.

Violating the 50 year agreement is another example of China continuing to demonstrate that it can't be trusted in international diplomacy.


There is little space among the themes to address rights to free speech and democracy - G20 Themes
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Postby Cappuccina » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:34 pm

Othelos wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
China have stated they will not tolerate any discussions of HK at the G20.

Over HK$5 million has been raised through a crowdfunding campaign to place front-page newspaper ads in international newspapers urging readers to pressure G20 leaders to act over the city’s extradition law crisis. The fundraiser achieved its original HK$3m goal within hours on Tuesday, as over 20,000 donors made contributions.

The organiser of the campaign said a frontpage space has already been booked with the Financial Times this Thursday, ahead of Friday’s G20 summit in Osaka, Japan. However, Beijing has said that it will not allow discussion of the Hong Kong issue during the meeting.


Link

Of course not. The government never wants to answer for its human rights violations. I really hope international leaders bring it up anyway.

Violating the 50 year agreement is another example of China continuing to demonstrate that it can't be trusted in international diplomacy.

Tbh, China can do as it pleases with Hong Kong, it's their territory.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Othelos wrote:Of course not. The government never wants to answer for its human rights violations. I really hope international leaders bring it up anyway.

Violating the 50 year agreement is another example of China continuing to demonstrate that it can't be trusted in international diplomacy.


There is little space among the themes to address rights to free speech and democracy - G20 Themes

Maybe they can slip it in somewhere during women's empowerment or development.

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Postby Othelos » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:37 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Othelos wrote:Of course not. The government never wants to answer for its human rights violations. I really hope international leaders bring it up anyway.

Violating the 50 year agreement is another example of China continuing to demonstrate that it can't be trusted in international diplomacy.

Tbh, China can do as it pleases with Hong Kong, it's their territory.

It promised otherwise.

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Postby Cappuccina » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:42 pm

Othelos wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Tbh, China can do as it pleases with Hong Kong, it's their territory.

It promised otherwise.

It can also choose to disregard that, and not much any one could do about it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:43 pm

Othelos wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Tbh, China can do as it pleases with Hong Kong, it's their territory.

It promised otherwise.

I would not be surprised if China honors the letter, if not the spirit of their agreements.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:49 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Othelos wrote:It promised otherwise.

It can also choose to disregard that, and not much any one could do about it.

Of course. But it's just another clear example that China's motivations and intentions have little regard for human rights and democracy, and that it won't uphold international agreements it agreed to that it later deems not in its best interests.

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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:50 pm

Bombadil wrote:


China have stated they will not tolerate any discussions of HK at the G20.

Over HK$5 million has been raised through a crowdfunding campaign to place front-page newspaper ads in international newspapers urging readers to pressure G20 leaders to act over the city’s extradition law crisis. The fundraiser achieved its original HK$3m goal within hours on Tuesday, as over 20,000 donors made contributions.

The organiser of the campaign said a frontpage space has already been booked with the Financial Times this Thursday, ahead of Friday’s G20 summit in Osaka, Japan. However, Beijing has said that it will not allow discussion of the Hong Kong issue during the meeting.


Link


We should tell the PRC to fuck off, and talk about what we want to.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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