Sure, they have suicide nets on the factories...but, uh, that's fine. That's how it's always been. Yeah.
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by Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:15 pm
by Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:18 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:Its hard to stay safe and conduct business now? Try in 20 years when HK is just another Chinese city. Protests like this not happening in mainland China isn't because its easier there to stay safe and conduct business, it's because protest there will get you disappeared/killed by the state
China has no plans to interfere with Hong Kong as a center of free flowing commerce
China understands this is what makes Hong Kong successful economically and what is good for Hong Kong will be good for China too
by Bombadil » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:19 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:"That's how it's always been" is a shit argument. The fact that this is always how this city has operated doesn't justify Beijing taking it over and making it a hundred times worse.
it was a capitalistic hellhole under the British too
Hong Kong is a port city, AKA a bastion of capitalism at its best and worst
if you interfere with the free flow of commerce the city's economy will suffer, every side understands this
by Pasong Tirad » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:19 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:"That's how it's always been" is a shit argument. The fact that this is always how this city has operated doesn't justify Beijing taking it over and making it a hundred times worse.
it was a capitalistic hellhole under the British too
Hong Kong is a port city, AKA a bastion of capitalism at its best and worst
if you interfere with the free flow of commerce the city's economy will suffer, every side understands this
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:23 pm
Pasong Tirad wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
it was a capitalistic hellhole under the British too
Hong Kong is a port city, AKA a bastion of capitalism at its best and worst
if you interfere with the free flow of commerce the city's economy will suffer, every side understands this
Who the fuck cares what the British did? We're talking now and about what Beijing is doing to the city now. There's literally no point to bringing this tangent up other than to try and divert the conversation or to somehow whatabout us into looking like hypocrites for not talking about the British conquest. Honestly you don't sound any better than the 50 Cent Army - for all we know you actually are part of the 50 Centers.
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:24 pm
Bombadil wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
it was a capitalistic hellhole under the British too
Hong Kong is a port city, AKA a bastion of capitalism at its best and worst
if you interfere with the free flow of commerce the city's economy will suffer, every side understands this
And this law would interfere with that.. it would make HK a less appealing place to do business.
by Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:25 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Who the fuck cares what the British did? We're talking now and about what Beijing is doing to the city now. There's literally no point to bringing this tangent up other than to try and divert the conversation or to somehow whatabout us into looking like hypocrites for not talking about the British conquest. Honestly you don't sound any better than the 50 Cent Army - for all we know you actually are part of the 50 Centers.
I'm showing that Hong Kong's governance as a "free market paradise" is not a historical anomaly imposed by China but part of a broader historical trend that predates it
I think there's a tendency for Hong Kong-ers to blame China for everything while really, its the natural forces of the free market and capitalism (that they paradoxically support)
by Thanatttynia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:27 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Bombadil wrote:
And this law would interfere with that.. it would make HK a less appealing place to do business.
not really, its a huge hassle to get the CE to approve every extradition so I'm sure its a blunt tool that won't be used too often
every single time its used, there will be a bit of a political mess so I'm sure it will only be used in situations where its really needed to speed things up
you can think of it as a selective tool for emergency law and order situations
by Pasong Tirad » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:27 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Who the fuck cares what the British did? We're talking now and about what Beijing is doing to the city now. There's literally no point to bringing this tangent up other than to try and divert the conversation or to somehow whatabout us into looking like hypocrites for not talking about the British conquest. Honestly you don't sound any better than the 50 Cent Army - for all we know you actually are part of the 50 Centers.
I'm showing that Hong Kong's governance as a "free market paradise" is not a historical anomaly imposed by China but part of a broader historical trend that predates it
I think there's a tendency for Hong Kong-ers to blame China for everything while really, its the natural forces of the free market and capitalism (that they paradoxically support)
by Pasong Tirad » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:28 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Bombadil wrote:
And this law would interfere with that.. it would make HK a less appealing place to do business.
not really, its a huge hassle to get the CE to approve every extradition so I'm sure its a blunt tool that won't be used too often
every single time its used, there will be a bit of a political mess so I'm sure it will only be used in situations where its really needed to speed things up
you can think of it as a selective tool for emergency law and order situations
by Bombadil » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:29 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Bombadil wrote:
And this law would interfere with that.. it would make HK a less appealing place to do business.
not really, its a huge hassle to get the CE to approve every extradition so I'm sure its a blunt tool that won't be used too often
every single time its used, there will be a bit of a political mess so I'm sure it will only be used in situations where its really needed to speed things up
you can think of it as a selective tool for emergency law and order situations
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:29 pm
Duhon wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
I'm showing that Hong Kong's governance as a "free market paradise" is not a historical anomaly imposed by China but part of a broader historical trend that predates it
I think there's a tendency for Hong Kong-ers to blame China for everything while really, its the natural forces of the free market and capitalism (that they paradoxically support)
The West is mostly capitalistic without being authoritarian with a Euro-American-whatever face.
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:30 pm
Bombadil wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
not really, its a huge hassle to get the CE to approve every extradition so I'm sure its a blunt tool that won't be used too often
every single time its used, there will be a bit of a political mess so I'm sure it will only be used in situations where its really needed to speed things up
you can think of it as a selective tool for emergency law and order situations
It doesn't have to be used at all yet still be a Damocles Sword hanging over HK. The independent rule of law is what makes it an attractive place for business, and that's beyond the stifle it places on everyone for free speech.
by Bombadil » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:32 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Bombadil wrote:
It doesn't have to be used at all yet still be a Damocles Sword hanging over HK. The independent rule of law is what makes it an attractive place for business, and that's beyond the stifle it places on everyone for free speech.
the independent rule of law is maintained so long as China doesn't over-use the extradition tool, I see no conflict
businesses in Hong Kong can still expect a certain standard of regularity with respect to rule of law
by El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:37 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:44 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I may be late to the party, but reading 1 paragraph into the guardian article and I can already see serious problems with this bill. Tbh East Turkestan, Tibet, Aksai Chin, maybe HK and Taiwan shouldn't be part of China anymore imo.
by Kowani » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:45 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I may be late to the party, but reading 1 paragraph into the guardian article and I can already see serious problems with this bill. Tbh East Turkestan, Tibet, Aksai Chin, maybe HK and Taiwan shouldn't be part of China anymore imo.
I disagree, China needs to be as strong as possible as a counterbalance to American interests in the region
it has a part to play and the world is more stable for it
by El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:46 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I may be late to the party, but reading 1 paragraph into the guardian article and I can already see serious problems with this bill. Tbh East Turkestan, Tibet, Aksai Chin, maybe HK and Taiwan shouldn't be part of China anymore imo.
I disagree, China needs to be as strong as possible as a counterbalance to American interests in the region
Infected Mushroom wrote:it has a part to play and the world is more stable for it
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:46 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:47 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
I disagree, China needs to be as strong as possible as a counterbalance to American interests in the region
It can do that without oppressing people.Infected Mushroom wrote:it has a part to play and the world is more stable for it
The underlined is a fat lie
by El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:51 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Kowani » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:51 pm
by Bombadil » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:52 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:52 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:53 pm
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