Was German Reunification a Mistake?

[The New California Republic]

But what about the East German voters that wanted reunification?

If they don’t like polish rule they can move elsewhere

And why would it be given to the Poles so long after the war anyway?

[Thermodolia]

The Roosevelt Plan should have gone through after WW2.

I agree except that Preuben should have been totally annexed by Poland, Sachsen should have been annexed to Czechoslovakia, while Hessen, and Saarland should go to france

[North German Realm]

The Roosevelt Plan should have gone through after WW2.

I agree except that Preuben should have been totally annexed by Poland, Sachsen should have been annexed to Czechoslovakia, while Hessen, and Saarland should go to france

No Bavaria? Wasn't Bavaria literally the birthplace (and original hub for) Nazism?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Economically I agree. However the practicality of letting East Germany rot slowly in isolation likely would be far worse

[Zrhajan]

The Roosevelt Plan should have gone through after WW2.

I agree except that Preuben should have been totally annexed by Poland, Sachsen should have been annexed to Czechoslovakia, while Hessen, and Saarland should go to france

I object quite strenuously to that monstrosity of a plan. It would put us good, upstanding Badener in with Schwoben and Bavarians, of all people.

[The New California Republic]

Economically I agree. However the practicality of letting East Germany rot slowly in isolation likely would be far worse

And this really is the crux of the argument. When the wall fell, 39 percent of total GDR trade was with the USSR, with around 20 percent to other Eastern European countries. So around 60% of their trade was with nations that would suddenly become less than reliable trade partners due to the collapse of COMECON; meaning that trade for the GDR would have hit a major crisis in the 1990s, had there not been a reunification with West Germany.

[Khataiy]

I think the German reunification was sort of disrespectful to the culture and heritage that developed in East Germany and was done with an extreme level of arrogance and views centric to the West German government with zero regard or understanding that like France, the Netherlands, Denmark etc, The DDR was its own country, former DDR military personnel aren't even eligible or entitled to the same benefits as regular German military veterans, the country's former parliament was demolished not even kept as museum, any trace of East Germany was washed away and intentionally forgotten which in my opinion is wrong.

[Thermodolia]

If they don’t like polish rule they can move elsewhere

And why would it be given to the Poles so long after the war anyway?

The Soviets needed their buffer ststes

[The New California Republic]

the country's former parliament was demolished not even kept as museum.

The Palast der Republik being demolished was a mistake, an absolute mistake in my view; and being replaced with that pastiche Stadtschloss monstrosity.

any trace of East Germany was washed away and intentionally forgotten which in my opinion is wrong.

There are plenty of museums about the GDR; and I should know, I have been to many of them.

And why would it be given to the Poles so long after the war anyway?

The Soviets needed their buffer ststes

That doesn't answer what I asked.

[Petrolheadia]

If they don’t like polish rule they can move elsewhere

And why would it be given to the Poles so long after the war anyway?

Because sense can go out of the window when you have hatred for Germans.

[Thermodolia]

I agree except that Preuben should have been totally annexed by Poland, Sachsen should have been annexed to Czechoslovakia, while Hessen, and Saarland should go to france

I object quite strenuously to that monstrosity of a plan. It would put us good, upstanding Badener in with Schwoben and Bavarians, of all people.

It’s either that or permanent occupation by the French

[Petrolheadia]

I object quite strenuously to that monstrosity of a plan. It would put us good, upstanding Badener in with Schwoben and Bavarians, of all people.

It’s either that or permanent occupation by the French

Or independent Germany.

[Thermodolia]

It’s either that or permanent occupation by the French

Or independent Germany.

Nah. It’s the Therm plan or bust

[Pope Joan]

The East-West division was an artificial one, not based upon history or culture.
Germans endured great struggle to become one nations (as did others, such as Italy).
We should not lightly dismiss this achievement.

[Thermodolia]

the country's former parliament was demolished not even kept as museum.

The Palast der Republik being demolished was a mistake, an absolute mistake in my view; and being replaced with that pastiche Stadtschloss monstrosity.

any trace of East Germany was washed away and intentionally forgotten which in my opinion is wrong.

There are plenty of museums about the GDR; and I should know, I have been to many of them.

The Soviets needed their buffer ststes

That doesn't answer what I asked.

Ya it did. During the Cold War the Soviets needed two buffer states between it and NATO. Giving East Germany to Poland that early would have ment one less state to go through

[Thermodolia]

The East-West division was an artificial one, not based upon history or culture.
Germans endured great struggle to become one nations (as did others, such as Italy).
We should not lightly dismiss this achievement.

Break up Germany and split 90% of it between Poland and France

[Zrhajan]

I object quite strenuously to that monstrosity of a plan. It would put us good, upstanding Badener in with Schwoben and Bavarians, of all people.

It’s either that or permanent occupation by the French

I'd prefer the occupation by France, although really what we need is independent Baden.

[Thermodolia]

It’s either that or permanent occupation by the French

I'd prefer the occupation by France, although really what we need is independent Baden.

I’ll allow it. Under the condition that it’s a French puppet state

[The New California Republic]

Ya it did. During the Cold War the Soviets needed two buffer states between it and NATO. Giving East Germany to Poland that early would have ment one less state to go through

We were talking about post-1990...

[Thermodolia]

Ya it did. During the Cold War the Soviets needed two buffer states between it and NATO. Giving East Germany to Poland that early would have ment one less state to go through

We were talking about post-1990...

I know. Since the Soviets needed some buffer states they wouldn’t have given it to Poland then. But since the USSR is no more they don’t need the extra buffer states so it can go, mostly, to Poland

[The New California Republic]

We were talking about post-1990...

I know. Since the Soviets needed some buffer states they wouldn’t have given it to Poland then. But since the USSR is no more they don’t need the extra buffer states so it can go, mostly, to Poland

That makes no sense.

[North German Realm]

I know. Since the Soviets needed some buffer states they wouldn’t have given it to Poland then. But since the USSR is no more they don’t need the extra buffer states so it can go, mostly, to Poland

That makes no sense.

It's also factually incorrect, because the Soviet Union did exist at the time the Reunification happened.

[The Blaatschapen]

I think the German reunification was sort of disrespectful to the culture and heritage that developed in East Germany and was done with an extreme level of arrogance and views centric to the West German government with zero regard or understanding that like France, the Netherlands, Denmark etc, The DDR was its own country, former DDR military personnel aren't even eligible or entitled to the same benefits as regular German military veterans, the country's former parliament was demolished not even kept as museum, any trace of East Germany was washed away and intentionally forgotten which in my opinion is wrong.

The roles of Netherlands and Denmark during the reunification were negligible afaik.

[Vistulange]

The East-West division was an artificial one, not based upon history or culture.
Germans endured great struggle to become one nations (as did others, such as Italy).
We should not lightly dismiss this achievement.

The "moving" of Poland westwards was also artificial, and not based upon history. They literally moved the border (almost) to the Curzon Line in the East, and to the Oder-Neisse Line in the West, because...because politics said so. History is chock full of "artificial" stuff, yet we don't try to rectify all of them. Or, for that matter, even some of them.

[The Blaatschapen]

The East-West division was an artificial one, not based upon history or culture.
Germans endured great struggle to become one nations (as did others, such as Italy).
We should not lightly dismiss this achievement.

Break up Germany and split 90% of it between Poland and France

If you don't immediately want a civil war, it requires a massive restructuring of the French state. Federalization, dropping French as the sole national language (basically, the new states within France can use German). And probably some more things.

France's track record with regards to regional languages is abysmal.