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Eglaecia wrote:

Mojave Confederation wrote:So does unified France! and let's not mention unified Great Britain.

France, up until the satanic revolution, was valuable to the world. The UK unifying was illegitimate but in the long run has also been beneficial.

Mojave Confederation wrote:

Eglaecia wrote:France, up until the satanic revolution, was valuable to the world. The UK unifying was illegitimate but in the long run has also been beneficial.

Let us not downplay how UK playing cartel just because it cannot pay its tea is the single biggest reason Communist China exist today, or the part where it aggressively expand to literally everything that move, then arbitrarily make nonsense border as it leave, just like how the allies divide Germany willy-nilly. It's not just Sykes-Picot or India-Pakistan, even Nigeria for example is a mess.

North German Realm wrote:

Mojave Confederation wrote:Let us not downplay how UK playing cartel just because it cannot pay its tea is the single biggest reason Communist China exist today, or the part where it aggressively expand to literally everything that move, then arbitrarily make nonsense border as it leave, just like how the allies divide Germany willy-nilly. It's not just Sykes-Picot or India-Pakistan, even Nigeria for example is a mess.

TFW you literally colonize 24% of the world's land area and 23% of its total population, massacre millions of natives and other non-Anglos, dismantle societal structures having existed there for hundreds of years and put arbitrary borders that make no fucking sense, resulting in the eternal anguish and territorial disputes in everywhere you've colonized and/or touched because of muh free trade.

The Blaatschapen wrote:

North German Realm wrote:TFW you literally colonize 24% of the world's land area and 23% of its total population, massacre millions of natives and other non-Anglos, dismantle societal structures having existed there for hundreds of years and put arbitrary borders that make no fucking sense, resulting in the eternal anguish and territorial disputes in everywhere you've colonized and/or touched because of muh free trade.

Anglos being in favour of free trade?

Did not stop them from waging war against the Dutch republic for trading.

Eglaecia wrote:

Mojave Confederation wrote:So does unified France! and let's not mention unified Great Britain.

France, up until the satanic revolution, was valuable to the world. The UK unifying was illegitimate but in the long run has also been beneficial.

Page wrote:

Eglaecia wrote:France, up until the satanic revolution, was valuable to the world. The UK unifying was illegitimate but in the long run has also been beneficial.

If Satan is on the side of overthrowing monarchs, secularization of society, and the metric system, I'm on Team Satan!

Eglaecia wrote:

Page wrote:
If Satan is on the side of overthrowing monarchs, secularization of society, and the metric system, I'm on Team Satan!

Except from the metric system, yes that is what side Satan is on.

Page wrote:

Eglaecia wrote:France, up until the satanic revolution, was valuable to the world. The UK unifying was illegitimate but in the long run has also been beneficial.

If Satan is on the side of overthrowing monarchs, secularization of society, and the metric system, I'm on Team Satan!

Arcturus Novus wrote:Honestly? We should probably go back farther than just the 1990s. The unification of Germany in the 1860s-70s was the real problem.

Thermodolia wrote:Yes. Germany never should have reunited. In fact the GDR should have been relegated to polish territory/puppet state

Mojave Confederation wrote:

Eglaecia wrote:What are you talking about? The unified Germany was the cause of so much damage to Europe. Keeping it divided was the best option for the long-term stability of Europe and the world.

So does unified France! and let's not mention unified Great Britain.

Kvatchdom wrote:

Eglaecia wrote:France, up until the satanic revolution, was valuable to the world. The UK unifying was illegitimate but in the long run has also been beneficial.

What do you mean "satanic revolution"?

Thermodolia wrote:

Mojave Confederation wrote:So does unified France! and let's not mention unified Great Britain.

Outside of the 1st French empire a unified France hasn’t been that military of a danger

Thermodolia wrote:Yes. Germany never should have reunited. In fact the GDR should have been relegated to polish territory/puppet state

The South Falls wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Yes. Germany never should have reunited. In fact the GDR should have been relegated to polish territory/puppet state

Puppet state of poland? I could see reducing the GDR's size, but I wouldn't like for it to become a Russian puppet.

North German Realm wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Outside of the 1st French empire a unified France hasn’t been that military of a danger

Uuuuuuuuuuh
Absolutist France was literally responsible for nearly every single major war in Europe ever since Louis XIV. The Restoration's agitations was the cause for the Rhine Crisis (which nearly started a major European War), the second republic was responsible for the Springtime of Nations, and the second Empire was responsible for every single crisis that Bismarck wasn't (i.e. the two wars Prussia fought in).

The New California Republic wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Yes. Germany never should have reunited. In fact the GDR should have been relegated to polish territory/puppet state

Do you mean post-1945 or post-1990?

Thermodolia wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:Do you mean post-1945 or post-1990?

Post-1990

The Rhineland should have been given to France post 1945 and the Netherlands and Denmark should have also been extended in 45

The New California Republic wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Yes. Germany never should have reunited. In fact the GDR should have been relegated to polish territory/puppet state

Do you mean post-1945 or post-1990?

Thermodolia wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:Do you mean post-1945 or post-1990?

Post-1990

The Rhineland should have been given to France post 1945 and the Netherlands and Denmark should have also been extended in 45

North German Realm wrote:

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Ukraine and Belarus were independent states before German reunification, what you're proposing is annexing internationally recognised sovereign nations to give a favour to Germany.

Except not. West and East Germany reunified in 1989-90 (3 October 1990). Ukraine and Belarus existed only as part of the Soviet Union, without any authority as a sovereign state outside of it (like the modern Republics of the Russian Federation). They became sovereign nations in August 1991, and their statehood internationally recognized -at some points- later into 1992-3. At the point the 4+2 negotiations were going on, Ukraine and Belarus existed only as members of the Soviet Union, and under jurisdiction thereof. Their "internationally recognized statehood" was like that of the Republic of Dagestan. None at all. Whether or not Pomerania and (EDITED: Lower) Silesia should have been returned to Germany isn't my point, it's that Kresy should have been returned to Poland first, before any form of negotiation over German unification could start (as Germany still had claims on lands held by Poland, which it did not rescind until after the agreement).

The New California Republic wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Post-1990

The Rhineland should have been given to France post 1945 and the Netherlands and Denmark should have also been extended in 45

But what about the East German voters that wanted reunification?