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by Eglaecia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:35 am
by Flaxxony » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:42 am
by Eglaecia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:43 am
Flaxxony wrote:The east/west division of Germany was a totally inorganic division of the country that should have never happened. WW2 should have never happened. If the allies in WW1 would have just followed standard postwar protocol in dealing with Germany it probably would have worked fine
by Geneviev » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:44 am
The New California Republic wrote:Geneviev wrote:German reunification was not a mistake. The problems that were caused by reunification could have been prevented if Germany had never been divided. These problems are very real, but the division of the German people was much worse.
I think that some kind of division was inevitable due to the way that WW2 in Europe progressed on two fronts towards Germany; it was just a question of how it was going to be divided, and what form said division would take.Germanyt wrote:Austria remains outside of Germany, and the traditional German lands ethnically and culturally cleansed by Stalin remain lost.
There was a price to be paid for trying to annex half of Europe, and that was part of the price I'm afraid.
by Germanyt » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:45 am
The New California Republic wrote:Geneviev wrote:German reunification was not a mistake. The problems that were caused by reunification could have been prevented if Germany had never been divided. These problems are very real, but the division of the German people was much worse.
I think that some kind of division was inevitable due to the way that WW2 in Europe progressed on two fronts towards Germany; it was just a question of how it was going to be divided, and what form said division would take.Germanyt wrote:Austria remains outside of Germany, and the traditional German lands ethnically and culturally cleansed by Stalin remain lost.
There was a price to be paid for trying to annex half of Europe, and that was part of the price I'm afraid.
by Borinsa » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:45 am
by Germanyt » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:46 am
Eglaecia wrote:Flaxxony wrote:The east/west division of Germany was a totally inorganic division of the country that should have never happened. WW2 should have never happened. If the allies in WW1 would have just followed standard postwar protocol in dealing with Germany it probably would have worked fine
WW2 shouldn't have happened but the Germans started it.
by Geneviev » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:48 am
by Nakena » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:51 am
Eglaecia wrote:Germany should've never been reunified. It is in Europe's interests that Germany is neutered. It should've been divided much more than it was.
by The New California Republic » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:51 am
Germanyt wrote:The New California Republic wrote:There was a price to be paid for trying to annex half of Europe, and that was part of the price I'm afraid.
Also, don't justify the murder and rape and ethnic cleansing of millions of men, women, and children by saying "there was a price to pay". The price to pay was reparations and rebuilding, not the rape of Prussia.
by North German Realm » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:52 am
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by North German Realm » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:53 am
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by North German Realm » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:56 am
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by Nakena » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:58 am
North German Realm wrote:
In my defense, It was certainly a possibility at the time my PoD happens in
But in all seriousness, the view that "The Unified German Realm is against the interests of literally everyone else in the European Continent who considered being bullies to the Small States a continental hobby for centuries" is really not that weird for a non-German European to have.
by Mojave Confederation » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:01 am
Flaxxony wrote:The east/west division of Germany was a totally inorganic division of the country that should have never happened. WW2 should have never happened. If the allies in WW1 would have just followed standard postwar protocol in dealing with Germany it probably would have worked fine
by North German Realm » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:05 am
Mojave Confederation wrote:Flaxxony wrote:The east/west division of Germany was a totally inorganic division of the country that should have never happened. WW2 should have never happened. If the allies in WW1 would have just followed standard postwar protocol in dealing with Germany it probably would have worked fine
uh, what's standard postwar protocol of the time to the First Great War?
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by North German Realm » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:06 am
Nakena wrote:North German Realm wrote:In my defense, It was certainly a possibility at the time my PoD happens in
But in all seriousness, the view that "The Unified German Realm is against the interests of literally everyone else in the European Continent who considered being bullies to the Small States a continental hobby for centuries" is really not that weird for a non-German European to have.
The same could be said about Italy who was divided into many city states for the longest time. Didn Machiavelli wrote also an eassy where he called to expel the barbarians?
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by Mojave Confederation » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:08 am
North German Realm wrote:Mojave Confederation wrote:uh, what's standard postwar protocol of the time to the First Great War?
The Losing party concedes defeat, pays mild reparations (which is typically dependent on how much destruction there's been), may possibly concede territory (but that's nowhere as simple as "I want this land, gimme". It needs justifications). The two parties exchange prisoners and, provided there's been an annexation, give the people of the annexed area the opportunity to leave the annexed area.
by North German Realm » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:10 am
Mojave Confederation wrote:North German Realm wrote:The Losing party concedes defeat, pays mild reparations (which is typically dependent on how much destruction there's been), may possibly concede territory (but that's nowhere as simple as "I want this land, gimme". It needs justifications). The two parties exchange prisoners and, provided there's been an annexation, give the people of the annexed area the opportunity to leave the annexed area.
So, like what happened irl?
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by Germanyt » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:13 am
The New California Republic wrote:Germanyt wrote:Also, don't justify the murder and rape and ethnic cleansing of millions of men, women, and children by saying "there was a price to pay". The price to pay was reparations and rebuilding, not the rape of Prussia.
Moving the goalposts I see. I never said I agreed with how it was done.
by The New California Republic » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:15 am
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:17 am
Nakena wrote:North German Realm wrote:In my defense, It was certainly a possibility at the time my PoD happens in
But in all seriousness, the view that "The Unified German Realm is against the interests of literally everyone else in the European Continent who considered being bullies to the Small States a continental hobby for centuries" is really not that weird for a non-German European to have.
The same could be said about Italy who was divided into many city states for the longest time. Didn Machiavelli wrote also an eassy where he called to expel the barbarians?
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