NationStates

Torrocca wrote:

Telconi wrote:
ITT person with horrifyingly terrible political beliefs is mad at others for having horrifyingly terrible political beliefs.

Wow, you really DESTROYED me with FACTS and LOGIC by equating me to Nazis. 10/10 as always, Tel.

Necroghastia wrote:
Wanting to create another Charlottesville incident is perfectly legal and definitely not incitement to violence or conspiracy to commit murder, obviously.

As we all know, the Nazis actually came to Detroit's Pride Parade with rifles and other weapons to celebrate the hardships and struggles the LGBTQ+ community has had to face historically and still faces every day! They totally wouldn't've caused harm to anyone if the police weren't there to act as security, because we all know the Nazis have the best track record ever when it comes to the LGBTQ+ community!

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Telconi wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying they wouldn't.

What is the purpose of these bands of armed thugs to show up at Detroit Pride with rifles then? Could they have protested the event without coming armed to the teeth and looking to shoot things up? Should the state endeavour for the sake of every citizen under its protection to prevent bands of armed thugs from intimidating other citizens?

Telconi wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Wow, you really DESTROYED me with FACTS and LOGIC by equating me to Nazis. 10/10 as always, Tel.



As we all know, the Nazis actually came to Detroit's Pride Parade with rifles and other weapons to celebrate the hardships and struggles the LGBTQ+ community has had to face historically and still faces every day! They totally wouldn't've caused harm to anyone if the police weren't there to act as security, because we all know the Nazis have the best track record ever when it comes to the LGBTQ+ community!

Unfortunately we both know I haven't. You'll still be here, advocating horrors tomorrow.

Novus America wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Sure it is. Conspiracy is a thing in US law.

Conspiracy requires more than just wanting to do something:
https://www.justia.com/criminal/offense ... onspiracy/

Auze wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Wanting to do something is not a crime. We do not have thought police.
And if they commit a crime toss them in jail for life. Or hang them after a fair trial.

Lethal injection, firing squad, and the electric chair are all still options (depending on where you are in the US), but hanging isn't.

Torrocca wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Unfortunately we both know I haven't. You'll still be here, advocating horrors tomorrow.

It's probably not obvious to you, but I'm kinda dying of laughter at my desk right now due to the sheer stupidity of this statement.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Conspiracy requires more than just wanting to do something:
https://www.justia.com/criminal/offense ... onspiracy/

Like deciding to kill people then carrying a weapon?

Telconi wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
It's probably not obvious to you, but I'm kinda dying of laughter at my desk right now due to the sheer stupidity of this statement.

That's unfortunate.

Novus America wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Sure it is. Conspiracy is a thing in US law.

Conspiracy requires more than just wanting to do something:
https://www.justia.com/criminal/offense ... onspiracy/

Novus America wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Like deciding to kill people then carrying a weapon?

Oh, if two people agreed to commit a murder, and walked out with a gun, yes that would likely be conspiracy. But do you have proof they agreed to commit a murder instead of trying to look scary? If you do please contact the Michigan State Police.

Diopolis wrote:You know, the activities antifa engages in when they're not shutting down whole cities for no discernible reason. Should all be put up against a wall and shot like the threat to public order they are.

Necroghastia wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Conspiracy requires more than just wanting to do something:
https://www.justia.com/criminal/offense ... onspiracy/

So you have to do something like, for example, plan a mass murder, get some weapons, and go to the place where you're planning to commit said crime?

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:It's funny when you realize that Torra wants them arrested despite not actually breaking any laws.

Sounds pretty authoritarian, tbqh.

You know if an armed band of Nazis with assault rifles barged into the street we would call it an insurrection...
Apparently not in America though

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Telconi wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying they wouldn't.

What is the purpose of these bands of armed thugs to show up at Detroit Pride with rifles then? Could they have protested the event without coming armed to the teeth and looking to shoot things up? Should the state endeavour for the sake of every citizen under its protection to prevent bands of armed thugs from intimidating other citizens?

Torrocca wrote:

Necroghastia wrote:
So you have to do something like, for example, plan a mass murder, get some weapons, and go to the place where you're planning to commit said crime?

BuT hOw CaN wE sAy ThAt ThEsE NaZiS aCtUaLLy HaD pLaNs To MaSs MuRdEr LgBtQ+ PeOpLe?!?!?!11!!?!

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
BuT hOw CaN wE sAy ThAt ThEsE NaZiS aCtUaLLy HaD pLaNs To MaSs MuRdEr LgBtQ+ PeOpLe?!?!?!11!!?!

You know someone actually needs to commit a crime before you can arrest them.

I know this irritates you, but it's true. Arbitrary arrest is tyranny.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Oh, if two people agreed to commit a murder, and walked out with a gun, yes that would likely be conspiracy. But do you have proof they agreed to commit a murder instead of trying to look scary? If you do please contact the Michigan State Police.

I don't. And you know that.

I was simply arguing against your position that simply wanting to commit a crime isn't a crime in and of itself. It can be. You can want to commit a crime and not break any laws and still be arrested and successfully prosecuted.

Novus America wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
I don't. And you know that.

I was simply arguing against your position that simply wanting to commit a crime isn't a crime in and of itself. It can be. You can want to commit a crime and not break any laws and still be arrested and successfully prosecuted.

Not really. You can think and want whatever you want.
A conspiracy of one is impossible (though a great name of an Offspring album).
Agreeing to commit a crime with another person and taking some ACTION towards it is a crime though.

Torrocca wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:You know someone actually needs to commit a crime before you can arrest them.

I know this irritates you, but it's true. Arbitrary arrest is tyranny.

Hmm, yes, let's stop the Nazis after they've begun accomplishing their goals. From what I remember, in fact, I remember that that went perfectly swimmingly the last time we waited until the Nazis began committing atrocities to stop them!

Torrocca wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:You know someone actually needs to commit a crime before you can arrest them.

I know this irritates you, but it's true. Arbitrary arrest is tyranny.

Hmm, yes, let's stop the Nazis after they've begun accomplishing their goals. From what I remember, in fact, I remember that that went perfectly swimmingly the last time we waited until the Nazis began committing atrocities to stop them!

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Hmm, yes, let's stop the Nazis after they've begun accomplishing their goals. From what I remember, in fact, I remember that that went perfectly swimmingly the last time we waited until the Nazis began committing atrocities to stop them!

Hm, if only we had government agencies whose job it is to deal with threats to national security.

Something like an FBI or a Department of Homeland Security...

Torrocca wrote:

Necroghastia wrote:
So you have to do something like, for example, plan a mass murder, get some weapons, and go to the place where you're planning to commit said crime?

BuT hOw CaN wE sAy ThAt ThEsE NaZiS aCtUaLLy HaD pLaNs To MaSs MuRdEr LgBtQ+ PeOpLe?!?!?!11!!?!

Cappuccina wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Hmm, yes, let's stop the Nazis after they've begun accomplishing their goals. From what I remember, in fact, I remember that that went perfectly swimmingly the last time we waited until the Nazis began committing atrocities to stop them!

So, what would you have done to everyone who identifying themselves as a "Neo-Nazi"? Would you support hunting a witch-hunt?

Torrocca wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:Hm, if only we had government agencies whose job it is to deal with threats to national security.

Something like an FBI or a Department of Homeland Security...

Y'know, it's really weird, but I could've sworn a second ago you were calling the use of state apparatuses to stop Nazis "authoritarian". Funny how your tune changes when you think you can pull a """clever""" "gotcha!" and circlejerk about AntiFA.