Nazis disrupt Detroit gay pride parade

[Galloism]

It's actually extremely difficult apparently.

Either that or 90% of the human race are secretly Nazis and this is all one very very amusing case of the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

Wait, are these people nazis or somehow-even-more-racist Romans?

Also, the guy with the big elongated ring thing in the earlobe would be gassed under Nazism, unironically.

[North German Realm]

1- Before we go further answer the question. Where has what you proposed ever worked?

2- You are assuming everyone is a potential Nazi and will turn Nazi if they see Nazis.
Like they are zombies or something.

It does not work that way. There is a societal ceiling on their growth, the vast majority of people will never even consider what an open Nazi is calling for. Will never join a openly Nazi group.
It is not like people seeing 15 idiots bumbling around will make them suddenly become Nazis.
By being openly Nazi the have ensured they will never get far.

3- And do not say “what about Hitler”. That was before people knew what it was and what it would become.

There will never be a Nazi takeover in the US. Ever.
If we fall to an authoritarian crazy ideology it will call itself something different, use different symbols and actually have substantively different policies.

And if letting people march makes the problem spread out of control, what about US Communists?
We never banned their ideology. But we crushed them in the 50s.

While still letting them march.

1- Literally nowhere, because literally nobody tried "if you're a nazi, we'll arrest you".

2- No. I'm assuming Nazis recruit people by using publicity. Recruits aren't a problem for me. Active recruits out in public are. I don't care about Nazism. I care about punishing Nazis for being Nazis in public, that's all I care about in this scenario. Nazis being allowed to remain in public (and not punished for being Nazis) allowed them to literally march out on the street the moment some guy with a lot of make up and blond hair came into office. If we open the water cannon on them the first time, they won't come out the second. If they do, we'll continue until they learn not to. It worked on the Commies (raids, literal anti-communist policies and rhetoric on the legislature, et al), it will work on the Nazis literally the same way.

3- A lot of people warned exactly what would happen when Hitler started spewing his shit. Had we listened to them -had The Weimar Republic listened to them and did something, maybe opened fire on the SA when they stated hitting people- we wouldn't even have to ask ourselves "what should we do to stop nazis". Even then, we can justify the Germans with "nobody knew". Now, we know. 80 million people died in combat for us to know. We can't risk it. Until the end of time, Any single Nazi coming out to the street should be considered the first step of a violent coup that restarts the Holocaust. Any other way, and they will eventually coup and restart the Holocaust. The danger is ever present, clear, and near. Ignoring it for petty what ifs like "What if they get smarter" is honestly, insulting in my opinion.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Wait, are these people nazis or somehow-even-more-racist Romans?

Also, the guy with the big elongated ring thing in the earlobe would be gassed under Nazism, unironically.

Plenty of Nazis would be gassed. Just like plenty of tankies would be gulag'd. Fascism, like most totalitarian ideologies, is a suicide cult.

[Nilrahrarfan]

That's like saying that Tentacle Hentai should be against the rules of PornHub

It may give moral guardians even MORE creeps than usual, but it shouldn't be banned.

Not gonna happen, because once the cat is out of the bag, it's basically impossible to put it back in. You're just using wishful thinking.

I'm sure that as a Nazi, you apply your opposition to banning things in a very consistent and principled mammer.

We should have the right to speak too, you know. We don't wanna get sling-shot at by Antifa, and neither should any other ideology. I'm just fascist because that's literally the only option left, and I would've been center-right if most of the left hadn't acted so HIDEOUSLY.

[Novus America]

I'm not, once again, talking about "banning" them. I'm talking about criminalizing the ideology and the arrest -at minimum- of its public adherents on first notice. And honestly? The ones doing the terrorism now are the morons. Why should I not stop the morons because of the possibility the smart ones might start doing the terrorism? The idiots are marching, the smart ones are organizing. If I arrest the idiots, eventually the smart ones will run out of people to organize for. The idiots are killing, the smart ones are recruiting. If I arrest people when they walk out in SS armbands -and if I give heavier punishment on a murderer who's killed as a hate crime-, the smart ones will run out of people to recruit at some point.

"Banning" Nazis doesn't work, because ideologies don't die. Stopping Nazis is pretty easy if you stick by your principles. A bunch of drunken fascists marching in Munich under a putsch? Shoot the fuck all of them while they're marching and you won't have to risk some well-spoken fucker writing a book about his petty problems with everyone not White, Blonde, and Blue while in prison. Risk "I can't arrest these morons, the smart ones might get more subtle" and eventually, you have a problem.

Yeah, driving the smart ones underground, as well, creates a natural deterrent to recruitment. How are the ones prone to committing terrorism and violence in the name of Nazism going to find avenues for recruitment if they're not public, like something like Stormfront is?

If underground groups could not recruit, underground groups would never exist.
Waving around a Nazi flag at an LGBT parade will get you no recruits.

Yet underground groups do exist. Illegal, secret recruiting does occur.
Al Qaida and ISIS recruit. Foreign spy agencies recruit.

There are many ways. Infiltrate a party that is not Nazi, but closest to what you want.
See the AFD in Germany. While the AFD is not a Nazi party, Nazis have joined it.

Pretend to be something else when you recruit. But something close enough that your recruits are good targets for pushing further to the extreme once you have them deep enough in that you can reveal the truth.

Recruit using hidden and secret channels. Etc.

[Nilrahrarfan]

It's actually extremely difficult apparently.

Either that or 90% of the human race are secretly Nazis and this is all one very very amusing case of the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

Some of them might not be taking it seriously, so calm down.

[North German Realm]

I'm sure that as a Nazi, you apply your opposition to banning things in a very consistent and principled mammer.

We should have the right to speak too, you know. We don't wanna get sling-shot at by Antifa, and neither should any other ideology. I'm just fascist because that's literally the only option left, and I would've been center-right if most of the left hadn't acted so HIDEOUSLY.

"I wouldn't be a genocidal psychopath if the left hadn't hurt my fee-fees. It's all their fault."

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I'm sure that as a Nazi, you apply your opposition to banning things in a very consistent and principled mammer.

We should have the right to speak too, you know. We don't wanna get sling-shot at by Antifa, and neither should any other ideology. I'm just fascist because that's literally the only option left, and I would've been center-right if most of the left hadn't acted so HIDEOUSLY.

Last time I checked socialism, liberalism, libertarianism and conservatism were all still options. And if you really were centre right until provokation from the left, you're either vefy easily provoked or you don't know what Fascism is.

[Ifreann]

We should have the right to speak too, you know. We don't wanna get sling-shot at by Antifa, and neither should any other ideology. I'm just fascist because that's literally the only option left, and I would've been center-right if most of the left hadn't acted so HIDEOUSLY.

"I wouldn't be a genocidal psychopath if the left hadn't hurt my fee-fees. It's all their fault."

Behold the master race. Unwilling to accept responsibility for their own political beliefs.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I watched a series of documentaries several years ago on Aryan Nations groups. Seems like one of their recruiting practices is to focus on disadvantaged white kids. Many of the young members spoke of the group as acting like the family they didn’t have. Which is really just a cult recruiting tactic. Target the vulnerable, fill their already messy minds with radical ideas and semblances of “caring” for them and you got yourself an excellent tool to fill your ranks.

[Nilrahrarfan]

Why do you think the smart covert ones never commit crimes?
Kill people? Commit terrorism? Recruit? They do more and do it better.
And the smart ones will easily enter your parliament by saying the are not Nazis.

You are considered off base.
Tell me where has banning them ever worked?

I'm not, once again, talking about "banning" them. I'm talking about criminalizing the ideology and the arrest -at minimum- of its public adherents on first notice. And honestly? The ones doing the terrorism now are the morons. Why should I not stop the morons because of the possibility the smart ones might start doing the terrorism? The idiots are marching, the smart ones are organizing. If I arrest the idiots, eventually the smart ones will run out of people to organize for. The idiots are killing, the smart ones are recruiting. If I arrest people when they walk out in SS armbands -and if I give heavier punishment on a murderer who's killed as a hate crime-, the smart ones will run out of people to recruit at some point.

"Banning" Nazis doesn't work, because ideologies don't die. Stopping Nazis is pretty easy if you stick by your principles. A bunch of drunken fascists marching in Munich under a putsch? Shoot the fuck all of them while they're marching and you won't have to risk some well-spoken fucker writing a book about his petty problems with everyone not White, Blonde, and Blue while in prison. Risk "I can't arrest these morons, the smart ones might get more subtle" and eventually, you have a problem.

Not even criminalizing the ideology will work. If you want to eradicate my ideology SO BADLY, then you should let us speak, and HOPE we screw up bad enough to discredit the whole thing.

[The South Falls]

I'm sure that as a Nazi, you apply your opposition to banning things in a very consistent and principled mammer.

We should have the right to speak too, you know. We don't wanna get sling-shot at by Antifa, and neither should any other ideology. I'm just fascist because that's literally the only option left, and I would've been center-right if most of the left hadn't acted so HIDEOUSLY.

This is the whole "I wouldn't be a genocidal maniac if that art school had taken me in" spiel. It's your choice to be what you want to be. It's not the left's decision to make. Don't make it look like you had no choice. You had every choice.

[The South Falls]

I'm not, once again, talking about "banning" them. I'm talking about criminalizing the ideology and the arrest -at minimum- of its public adherents on first notice. And honestly? The ones doing the terrorism now are the morons. Why should I not stop the morons because of the possibility the smart ones might start doing the terrorism? The idiots are marching, the smart ones are organizing. If I arrest the idiots, eventually the smart ones will run out of people to organize for. The idiots are killing, the smart ones are recruiting. If I arrest people when they walk out in SS armbands -and if I give heavier punishment on a murderer who's killed as a hate crime-, the smart ones will run out of people to recruit at some point.

"Banning" Nazis doesn't work, because ideologies don't die. Stopping Nazis is pretty easy if you stick by your principles. A bunch of drunken fascists marching in Munich under a putsch? Shoot the fuck all of them while they're marching and you won't have to risk some well-spoken fucker writing a book about his petty problems with everyone not White, Blonde, and Blue while in prison. Risk "I can't arrest these morons, the smart ones might get more subtle" and eventually, you have a problem.

Not even criminalizing the ideology will work. If you want to eradicate my ideology SO BADLY, then you should let us speak, and HOPE we screw up bad enough to discredit the whole thing.

I mean, most of the nazi points against Jews and african-americans are enough, thanks.

[Nilrahrarfan]

We should have the right to speak too, you know. We don't wanna get sling-shot at by Antifa, and neither should any other ideology. I'm just fascist because that's literally the only option left, and I would've been center-right if most of the left hadn't acted so HIDEOUSLY.

Last time I checked socialism, liberalism, libertarianism and conservatism were all still options. And if you really were centre right until provokation from the left, you're either vefy easily provoked or you don't know what Fascism is.

Or option C: I was driven to the far-right by my troubled past, and now have to explain you this. As for the correct answer, that is Option C. If communism is allowed to get a pass, I don't see what's wrong with letting Fascists speak.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Last time I checked socialism, liberalism, libertarianism and conservatism were all still options. And if you really were centre right until provokation from the left, you're either vefy easily provoked or you don't know what Fascism is.

Or option C: I was driven to the far-right by my troubled past, and now have to explain you this. As for the correct answer, that is Option C. If communism is allowed to get a pass, I don't see what's wrong with letting Fascists speak.

I'm sincerely sorry for whatever hardships you've had to endure, but I sincerely doubt those hardships have made it truly necessary for you to be a Fascist.

[North German Realm]

I'm not, once again, talking about "banning" them. I'm talking about criminalizing the ideology and the arrest -at minimum- of its public adherents on first notice. And honestly? The ones doing the terrorism now are the morons. Why should I not stop the morons because of the possibility the smart ones might start doing the terrorism? The idiots are marching, the smart ones are organizing. If I arrest the idiots, eventually the smart ones will run out of people to organize for. The idiots are killing, the smart ones are recruiting. If I arrest people when they walk out in SS armbands -and if I give heavier punishment on a murderer who's killed as a hate crime-, the smart ones will run out of people to recruit at some point.

"Banning" Nazis doesn't work, because ideologies don't die. Stopping Nazis is pretty easy if you stick by your principles. A bunch of drunken fascists marching in Munich under a putsch? Shoot the fuck all of them while they're marching and you won't have to risk some well-spoken fucker writing a book about his petty problems with everyone not White, Blonde, and Blue while in prison. Risk "I can't arrest these morons, the smart ones might get more subtle" and eventually, you have a problem.

Not even criminalizing the ideology will work. If you want to eradicate my ideology SO BADLY, then you should let us speak, and HOPE we screw up bad enough to discredit the whole thing.

Or I can open the water cannons when you hold rallies, arrest everyone who attends a fascist conference, and make being a fascist so against your personal interests you'll stop being a fascist in public, which is honestly all I care about.

[Ifreann]

I'm not, once again, talking about "banning" them. I'm talking about criminalizing the ideology and the arrest -at minimum- of its public adherents on first notice. And honestly? The ones doing the terrorism now are the morons. Why should I not stop the morons because of the possibility the smart ones might start doing the terrorism? The idiots are marching, the smart ones are organizing. If I arrest the idiots, eventually the smart ones will run out of people to organize for. The idiots are killing, the smart ones are recruiting. If I arrest people when they walk out in SS armbands -and if I give heavier punishment on a murderer who's killed as a hate crime-, the smart ones will run out of people to recruit at some point.

"Banning" Nazis doesn't work, because ideologies don't die. Stopping Nazis is pretty easy if you stick by your principles. A bunch of drunken fascists marching in Munich under a putsch? Shoot the fuck all of them while they're marching and you won't have to risk some well-spoken fucker writing a book about his petty problems with everyone not White, Blonde, and Blue while in prison. Risk "I can't arrest these morons, the smart ones might get more subtle" and eventually, you have a problem.

Not even criminalizing the ideology will work. If you want to eradicate my ideology SO BADLY, then you should let us speak, and HOPE we screw up bad enough to discredit the whole thing.

I'm sure that your advice for how your political opponents can best defeat you is very sincere and worth listening to.

[Nilrahrarfan]

We should have the right to speak too, you know. We don't wanna get sling-shot at by Antifa, and neither should any other ideology. I'm just fascist because that's literally the only option left, and I would've been center-right if most of the left hadn't acted so HIDEOUSLY.

This is the whole "I wouldn't be a genocidal maniac if that art school had taken me in" spiel. It's your choice to be what you want to be. It's not the left's decision to make. Don't make it look like you had no choice. You had every choice.

Yeah, and Fascism just so happened to be right for me. I need allies, and my fear is that 90% of the left is SO BAD that I HAD to go Far-Right just to balance it out.

[Nilrahrarfan]

Not even criminalizing the ideology will work. If you want to eradicate my ideology SO BADLY, then you should let us speak, and HOPE we screw up bad enough to discredit the whole thing.

I'm sure that your advice for how your political opponents can best defeat you is very sincere and worth listening to.

Yeah, but there's no guarantee that we will screw up and ruin our ideology's reputation.

[North German Realm]

This is the whole "I wouldn't be a genocidal maniac if that art school had taken me in" spiel. It's your choice to be what you want to be. It's not the left's decision to make. Don't make it look like you had no choice. You had every choice.

Yeah, and Fascism just so happened to be right for me. I need allies, and my fear is that 90% of the left is SO BAD that I HAD to go Far-Right just to balance it out.

And that makes you, and only you, repsonsible for you becoming a fascist. This isn't negotiable. You could simply not become a genocidal psychopath -or adhere to a psychopathic, genocidal ideology, same thing-, that you did is on you -and only on you.

[Ifreann]

This is the whole "I wouldn't be a genocidal maniac if that art school had taken me in" spiel. It's your choice to be what you want to be. It's not the left's decision to make. Don't make it look like you had no choice. You had every choice.

Yeah, and Fascism just so happened to be right for me. I need allies, and my fear is that 90% of the left is SO BAD that I HAD to go Far-Right just to balance it out.

That is just stupid reasoning and I, for one, don't believe it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

This is the whole "I wouldn't be a genocidal maniac if that art school had taken me in" spiel. It's your choice to be what you want to be. It's not the left's decision to make. Don't make it look like you had no choice. You had every choice.

Yeah, and Fascism just so happened to be right for me. I need allies, and my fear is that 90% of the left is SO BAD that I HAD to go Far-Right just to balance it out.

Have you considered seeing a health care professional for that fear? Can’t be healthy to be that afraid.

[The Emerald Legion]

Not even criminalizing the ideology will work. If you want to eradicate my ideology SO BADLY, then you should let us speak, and HOPE we screw up bad enough to discredit the whole thing.

Or I can open the water cannons when you hold rallies, arrest everyone who attends a fascist conference, and make being a fascist so against your personal interests you'll stop being a fascist in public, which is honestly all I care about.

At which point I, and other non-fascists, will despise you as a fascist and overthrow your anti American regime.

You're literally advocating fascism to fight fascism. It's nonsensical.

[Scomagia]

Wait, are these people nazis or somehow-even-more-racist Romans?

Also, the guy with the big elongated ring thing in the earlobe would be gassed under Nazism, unironically.

Plenty of Nazis would be gassed. Just like plenty of tankies would be gulag'd. Fascism, like most totalitarian ideologies, is a suicide cult.

Indeed. I have a relevant post of mine from a few years ago:

What's really cute is how the authoritarian types get hard over invasive and brutal police powers, yet never consider that they might find a jackboot on their neck. It's like they all secretly see themselves in positions of authority, rather than being beaten and black-bagged with everyone else.

[Ifreann]

Or I can open the water cannons when you hold rallies, arrest everyone who attends a fascist conference, and make being a fascist so against your personal interests you'll stop being a fascist in public, which is honestly all I care about.

At which point I, and other non-fascists, will despise you as a fascist and overthrow your anti American regime.

You're literally advocating fascism to fight fascism. It's nonsensical.

Fascism is when you fight fascists, and the more fascists you fight the fascister you are.