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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:33 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
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Implying you have valuable opinions.

You're right, but that's because no opinion is valuable in this day and age. Hell, NOBODY is valuable.


There's a handful of them.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:36 pm

Telconi wrote:
Nilrahrarfan wrote:You're right, but that's because no opinion is valuable in this day and age. Hell, NOBODY is valuable.


There's a handful of them.

Let me guess, your own?
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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:38 pm

Telconi wrote:
Nilrahrarfan wrote:You're right, but that's because no opinion is valuable in this day and age. Hell, NOBODY is valuable.


There's a handful of them.

Let me ask: which ones? If ANY form of Socialism is one that list, expect another one of my snarky replies.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:59 pm

Kowani wrote:
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There's a handful of them.

Let me guess, your own?


Well, mostly.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Let me guess, your own?


Well, mostly.

And people who agree with you, right?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:01 pm

Kowani wrote:
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Well, mostly.

And people who agree with you, right?


Of course.
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Postby North German Realm » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:02 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well, mostly.

And people who agree with you, right?

In his (?) defense, nobody thinks their own views aren't valuable.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:03 pm

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Kowani wrote:And people who agree with you, right?

In his (?) defense, nobody thinks their own views aren't valuable.


Yes, but lambasting human nature as "Selfish" is a common trend these days.
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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:03 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Kowani wrote:And people who agree with you, right?

In his (?) defense, nobody thinks their own views aren't valuable.

Except for me, I believe that NO views are valuable, including mine. Just another method of self-mockery.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:07 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Kowani wrote:And people who agree with you, right?

In his (?) defense, nobody thinks their own views aren't valuable.

Most people don’t believe that their opinions (and those of yes-men) are the only ones of value, though. Well, that’s not true, but we don’t tend to have very high opinions of those people.

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North German Realm wrote:In his (?) defense, nobody thinks their own views aren't valuable.


Yes, but lambasting human nature as "Selfish" is a common trend these days.

How about “deluded?”
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:08 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
North German Realm wrote:In his (?) defense, nobody thinks their own views aren't valuable.

Except for me, I believe that NO views are valuable, including mine. Just another method of self-mockery.


You obviously find them valuable enough to want to post about them.
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Postby Cappuccina » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:12 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
North German Realm wrote:In his (?) defense, nobody thinks their own views aren't valuable.

Except for me, I believe that NO views are valuable, including mine. Just another method of self-mockery.

That literally makes no sense.....
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:13 pm

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North German Realm wrote:In his (?) defense, nobody thinks their own views aren't valuable.

Except for me, I believe that NO views are valuable, including mine. Just another method of self-mockery.

Then why express them?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:01 am

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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:55 am

Delmarva SSR wrote:Don't really know how I feel about this to be honest. On the one hand I'm glad there was no violence and non of the pride marchers were hurt but on the other hand I don't know how I feel about the cops protecting Neo Nazis.

Why do people keep saying this?

Police should, and did, protect everyone. You don't lose your right to police services by being a nazi.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:58 am

Delmarva SSR wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:*** Warned for advocating violence. ***


You know there are literal Nazis in this thread, right?

Being a literal Nazi isn't against the rules.
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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:30 am

Ifreann wrote:
Delmarva SSR wrote:
You know there are literal Nazis in this thread, right?

Being a literal Nazi isn't against the rules.

You're right, and I've proven it.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:57 am

Delmarva SSR wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:*** Warned for advocating violence. ***


You know there are literal Nazis in this thread, right?

Doesn't matter. Everyone has to obey the forum rules.
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Postby Druulis » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:11 am

Galloism wrote:
Delmarva SSR wrote:Don't really know how I feel about this to be honest. On the one hand I'm glad there was no violence and non of the pride marchers were hurt but on the other hand I don't know how I feel about the cops protecting Neo Nazis.

Why do people keep saying this?

Police should, and did, protect everyone. You don't lose your right to police services by being a nazi.


Why shouldn't you?

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Postby Druulis » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:12 am

Ifreann wrote:
Delmarva SSR wrote:
You know there are literal Nazis in this thread, right?

Being a literal Nazi isn't against the rules.


It should be.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:15 am

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Saiwania wrote:Nazism is like Communism in my view in that, because it has been tried before (and for that reason alone), it will now always be around in politics to some extent for better or worse. I don't think many people seriously want an exact carbon copy of the Third Reich to be brought back into existence, but can't people recognize that there is plenty of room for building up a newer police state that is more powerful and regimented but also simultaneously more ethical, humane, and etc. than Nazi Germany was or otherwise making tweaks to the platform and movement but staying in spirit with it to address our present day needs?

Dictatorships or authoritarian systems can often accomplish certain things that democratic systems can't. We're overlooking the possibilities a Fourth Reich can bring to Europe and the developed world. The East has a strong police state in the form of China to defend their civilization and values but its just not the case for the West, which is allowing for their own collapse and demise like the Roman Empire did. Neo-Nazism can change this, if only allowed some power to roll back liberalism and multiculturalism and all the political problems that're self inflicted that are against our inherent self interests.

Not totally disagreeable from my viewpoint, but expecting anyone who idolizes Nazism to be ethical has far greater faith in humanity than myself.

Or a far greater contempt for certain elements of humanity.
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:21 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Not totally disagreeable from my viewpoint, but expecting anyone who idolizes Nazism to be ethical has far greater faith in humanity than myself.

Or a far greater contempt for certain elements of humanity.


Or just plain insane and illogical.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:28 am

Chan Island wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Or a far greater contempt for certain elements of humanity.


Or just plain insane and illogical.

That too.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:41 am

Druulis wrote:
Galloism wrote:Why do people keep saying this?

Police should, and did, protect everyone. You don't lose your right to police services by being a nazi.


Why shouldn't you?

Because human rights are for all humans. To be protected by police is a right. Being a Nazi doesn't mean you're not a human anymore. Even if we make Nazism a crime, they would still be entitled to police protection, and must be punished through the mechanisms of due process and the legal system. Even murderers are entitled to police protection. The only way you could really say a Nazi isn't entitled to police protection is if you say a Nazi is not a human.
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:44 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Druulis wrote:
Why shouldn't you?

Because human rights are for all humans. To be protected by police is a right. Being a Nazi doesn't mean you're not a human anymore. Even if we make Nazism a crime, they would still be entitled to police protection, and must be punished through the mechanisms of due process and the legal system. Even murderers are entitled to police protection. The only way you could really say a Nazi isn't entitled to police protection is if you say a Nazi is not a human.


Nazis aren't any less human because they're Nazis, but their ideology has absolutely no place in any society, and should be removed from it - nonviolently, as much as is possible, of course, and only violently in self-defense or in defense of other people.
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