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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:14 pm

Torrocca wrote:
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So, what would you have done to everyone who identifying themselves as a "Neo-Nazi"? Would you support hunting a witch-hunt?


Get rid of them by whatever means are necessary to do so.


You can just say murder lol, everyone knows that's what you're constantly hinting at.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:14 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Step away for a few minutes and the mods just do my boy Dio like that, smh

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Yes, yes, I get it. I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it
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Postby Novus America » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:15 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Hm, if only we had government agencies whose job it is to deal with threats to national security.

Something like an FBI or a Department of Homeland Security...


Y'know, it's really weird, but I could've sworn a second ago you were calling the use of state apparatuses to stop Nazis "authoritarian". Funny how your tune changes when you think you can pull a """clever""" "gotcha!" and circlejerk about AntiFA.


Hardly. You do know it is perfectly valid people who have no broken the law should not be arrested but the police should absolutely still be prepared to arrest those who do break the law?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:15 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Step away for a few minutes and the mods just do my boy Dio like that, smh


You want to shoot people who are a threat to public order too?

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:15 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get rid of them by whatever means are necessary to do so.


You can just say murder lol, everyone knows that's what you're constantly hinting at.

Watch how quickly one anarcho-communist betrays their values and becomes an authoritarian.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:16 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Step away for a few minutes and the mods just do my boy Dio like that, smh


You want to shoot people who are a threat to public order too?

Could you not bait someone into breaking the rules, plz?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:17 pm

Novus America wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Y'know, it's really weird, but I could've sworn a second ago you were calling the use of state apparatuses to stop Nazis "authoritarian". Funny how your tune changes when you think you can pull a """clever""" "gotcha!" and circlejerk about AntiFA.


Hardly. You do know it is perfectly valid people who have no broken the law should not be arrested but the police should absolutely still be prepared to arrest those who do break the law?

There's no middle ground with Torra. Either you arrest/murder every Nazi or you're doing nothing to stop them.

It's so fucking pathetic.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:17 pm

As much as I hate neo-Nazis and fascists and would love to see the ideology die the fiery death it deserves, if they haven’t committed a crime, there’s no legal reason to intervene with them.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:17 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
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You want to shoot people who are a threat to public order too?

Could you not bait someone into breaking the rules, plz?


If you think I'm baiting then please report it.

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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:17 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Y'know, it's really weird, but I could've sworn a second ago you were calling the use of state apparatuses to stop Nazis "authoritarian". Funny how your tune changes when you think you can pull a """clever""" "gotcha!" and circlejerk about AntiFA.

You want to arbitrarily arrest people. I don't.


"""arbitrarily"""

It's totally not like we have enough historical precedence to act as a casus belli for handling Nazis or anything. Nope! No siree, I totally don't know what a "Holocaust" or a "World War Two" actually is. :roll:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get rid of them by whatever means are necessary to do so.


You can just say murder lol, everyone knows that's what you're constantly hinting at.


Is your first and only resort for dealing with a household roach infestation to completely destroy the entire house with explosives?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:17 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Step away for a few minutes and the mods just do my boy Dio like that, smh


You want to shoot people who are a threat to public order too?


I favor internment tbh
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Postby Novus America » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:18 pm

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Not really. You can think and want whatever you want.
A conspiracy of one is impossible (though a great name of an Offspring album).
Agreeing to commit a crime with another person and taking some ACTION towards it is a crime though.


That's exactly what I said.


Which is more than merely wanting to commit a crime.
True all conspiracy requires wanting to commit a crime, but wanting to commit a crime is not conspiracy. Wanting to commit the crime is just one element of conspiracy.
You have to have the other elements as well for it to be a crime.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:18 pm

Torrocca wrote:

Is your first and only resort for dealing with a household roach infestation to completely destroy the entire house with explosives?

Unironically yes.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:18 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:As much as I hate neo-Nazis and fascists and would love to see the ideology die the fiery death it deserves, if they haven’t committed a crime, there’s no legal reason to intervene with them.


I'm okay with moral reasons.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:18 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:You want to arbitrarily arrest people. I don't.


"""arbitrarily"""

It's totally not like we have enough historical precedence to act as a casus belli for handling Nazis or anything. Nope! No siree, I totally don't know what a "Holocaust" or a "World War Two" actually is. :roll:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You can just say murder lol, everyone knows that's what you're constantly hinting at.


Is your first and only resort for dealing with a household roach infestation to completely destroy the entire house with explosives?

Fam, you need someone to actually break a law before you can arrest them. I don't know why this is such a difficult concept for you to wrap your head around.

And yes, if someone hasn't actually broken any laws and you still arrest them then it is absolutely arbitrary.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Step away for a few minutes and the mods just do my boy Dio like that, smh

I mean, you all knew what was going to happen.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:19 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Hardly. You do know it is perfectly valid people who have no broken the law should not be arrested but the police should absolutely still be prepared to arrest those who do break the law?

There's no middle ground with Torra. Either you arrest/murder every Nazi or you're doing nothing to stop them.

It's so fucking pathetic.


Yeah, it really is fucking pathetic to use the historical precedence that Nazis themselves created in order to decide to not wait until after the Nazis once again begin murdering innocent people to stop them! Shame on you, Torra, you fucking extremist bitch, for daring to entertain the notion of proactively preventing Nazis from harming people!
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:

Is your first and only resort for dealing with a household roach infestation to completely destroy the entire house with explosives?

Unironically yes.


Well... I suppose that explains why you think I'm advocating for murder.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:20 pm

Torrocca wrote:
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That's unfortunate.


Maybe for you. Luckily for me, as I know I'm not actually anywhere remotely morally equivalent to Nazis like you're trying to paint me as, it's incredibly stress-relieving.


Of course you do.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:20 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:As much as I hate neo-Nazis and fascists and would love to see the ideology die the fiery death it deserves, if they haven’t committed a crime, there’s no legal reason to intervene with them.


I'm okay with moral reasons.


Open a Pandora’s box, set a precedent that’s rather dangerous. Arresting people merely in ideological reasons without having proof of crimes shouldn’t be the way a legal system and society functions.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:21 pm

Novus America wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
That's exactly what I said.


Which is more than merely wanting to commit a crime.
True all conspiracy requires wanting to commit a crime, but wanting to commit a crime is not conspiracy. Wanting to commit the crime is just one element of conspiracy.
You have to have the other elements as well for it to be a crime.


Do you guys have an equivalent to this?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/25

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Postby Novus America » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:21 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:As much as I hate neo-Nazis and fascists and would love to see the ideology die the fiery death it deserves, if they haven’t committed a crime, there’s no legal reason to intervene with them.


I'm okay with moral reasons.


The rule of law is important.
If we let anyone break the law for moral reasons well the Nazis would do so to enforce their disgusting morals.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:22 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I'm okay with moral reasons.


Open a Pandora’s box, set a precedent that’s rather dangerous. Arresting people merely in ideological reasons without having proof of crimes shouldn’t be the way a legal system and society functions.


I'm not talking about arresting them. Just counter-protest and civil disobedience.

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Postby Novus America » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:22 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Which is more than merely wanting to commit a crime.
True all conspiracy requires wanting to commit a crime, but wanting to commit a crime is not conspiracy. Wanting to commit the crime is just one element of conspiracy.
You have to have the other elements as well for it to be a crime.


Do you guys have an equivalent to this?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/25


Remember the US is more like the EU than the UK.
We have 50 states, each with their own criminal codes. But yes in several states carrying tools for a burglary can be a crime.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:23 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Open a Pandora’s box, set a precedent that’s rather dangerous. Arresting people merely in ideological reasons without having proof of crimes shouldn’t be the way a legal system and society functions.


I'm not talking about arresting them. Just counter-protest and civil disobedience.


If you want to protest about their existence or their ideology, you should be able to.
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