Nazis disrupt Detroit gay pride parade

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 410945001/

As a resident of detroit, I am shocked and kinda disappointed to see this headline coming out of the motor city. According to reports, a group of white nationalists and neo nazis showed up at the gay pride parade in downtown near hart plaza to disrupt the event and according to social media postings, they hoped to start a conflict with antifascist, left wing protesters and spark "charlottesville 2.0." Detroit police thankfully headed off violence by separating both the Nazis and the socialists/communists who came to protest their appearence, preventing serious injuries or worse. The Nazis were carrying guns and appeared ready for serious trouble, and God only knows what would have happened had police not spotted the threat in time.

What are your thoughts and opinions on this recent incident, and how do you think we can best prevent clashes between far right and far left protesters and prevent these ideologies from becoming so accepted by so many people in the first place?

[Aidonaia]

The Nazis are outnumbered and the police are there to protect them.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What are your thoughts and opinions on this recent incident

Not shocking, Detroit and MI have long been a hub for such groups. See the SS Action Group or indeed the group here, the NSM, for more details.

and how do you think we can best prevent clashes between far right and far left protesters and prevent these ideologies from becoming so accepted by so many people in the first place?

The former through good police work at events, but that's a pipe dream. The latter? You really can't, especially in an open liberal society like ours.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It reminds me that although I live in the South, the place I’ve ever seen KKK and neo-Nazi gatherings publicly has been in MI. Never down here. At least not yet.

Either way, cops are always present in those so hopefully better police surveillance can help keep the Pride LGBT participants and allies and the Nazis from clashing.

[Karevka]

Unsurprisingly really. Especially with all that dumb talk about "Straight Pride Month" and how "gays are up in my face about it". But still, thank God for the police present or things would've gone off the deep end.

[-Ocelot-]

The Nazis are outnumbered and the police are there to protect them.

Why does the police protect them? Don't Nazis like war and combat? Let them fight like their ideology dictates they should. Problem solved for both parties involved.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The police did the right thing here. The two sides must be kept separate, as they thrive off beating each other up.

[Aidonaia]

The police did the right thing here. The two sides must be kept separate, as they thrive off beating each other up.

Nazi and anti-Nazi?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The police did the right thing here. The two sides must be kept separate, as they thrive off beating each other up.

Nazi and anti-Nazi?

Antifa and Nazis.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Nazis are outnumbered and the police are there to protect them.

Why does the police protect them? Don't Nazis like war and combat? Let them fight like their ideology dictates they should. Problem solved for both parties involved.

It's not like the cops ask if you want them around at these things lol

[Saiwania]

The police did the right thing here. The two sides must be kept separate, as they thrive off beating each other up.

This is probably true, I mean it is within the lyrics of Horst Wessel and most other variants of it.

"Against vested powers, Red Front, and massed ranks of reaction
We lead the fight for freedom and for bread!"

[Gormwood]

"When (the Nazis) arrived, five of their members were armed; two with long guns and three with handguns," Craig said. "They were open-carrying."

What a polite society. They wouldn't have felt so emboldened to try and set off another Charlottesville if they weren't packing.

[Nova Cyberia]

Wow, it turns out the police actually doing something and separating people can actually cause violence to be avoided.

[Nova Cyberia]

The Nazis are outnumbered and the police are there to protect them.

Why does the police protect them? Don't Nazis like war and combat? Let them fight like their ideology dictates they should. Problem solved for both parties involved.

Because they're police and they generally trying to avoid letting people settle things with a shootout.

[Bear Stearns]

The article refers over and over to "Nazis" but doesn't give any indication of who they are nor even show pictures. They give no indication about who they are other than the size and that some were armed (a misdemeanor in Michigan).

The lone secondary source (the police chief) says that the groups were separated and no violent incident occurred.

It's hard to really say what even happened other than that some people yelled at each other.

[Andsed]

I swear Nazi are the one group that makes me reconsider my stance on how okay it is to throw stuff and heckle those you disagree with politically. Still I think the police did a good job here making sure the peace was not broken so credit where credit is due.

[Rojava Free State]

It reminds me that although I live in the South, the place I’ve ever seen KKK and neo-Nazi gatherings publicly has been in MI. Never down here. At least not yet.

Either way, cops are always present in those so hopefully better police surveillance can help keep the Pride LGBT participants and allies and the Nazis from clashing.

Livingston county Michigan is infamous for having its own KKK chapter. It's about a half hour North of Ann arbor which is ironic to say the least if you know anything about the culture of the city U of M is located in

[Rojava Free State]

The police did the right thing here. The two sides must be kept separate, as they thrive off beating each other up.

Nazi and anti-Nazi?

Nazi and communist. Normal people don't show up at nazi rallies with weapons and masks, and not everyone who is against Nazism is against it for the right reasons

[Aidonaia]

Nazi and communist. Normal people don't show up at nazi rallies with weapons and masks, and not everyone who is against Nazism is against it for the right reasons

What is the “wrong reason” to be against Nazism?

[Ostroeuropa]

The cops were there protecting the Nazis because they didn't trust anti-fa not to start a violent confrontation that would result in the Nazis shooting them and going "You all saw em, they attacked us.".

The cops did a great job keeping the peace. Both anti-fa and Nazis were hurling racial epithets at the black police officers, but they held the line and kept the groups from a violent confrontation.

Notably, far-left types are angry at the cops for keeping the peace and escorting the Nazis from the scene, but the pride parade organizers are happy with their service.

Also gotta admit, flag burning point is funny.

Craig said members of the Nazi group threatened to burn a rainbow flag that's emblematic of the LGBT community.

"They were told, 'if you do, you'll be arrested,'" Craig said. "They did tear the flag."

The Nazis also desecrated an Israeli flag ...

Craig added since the flag was their property, they were within their rights to destroy it, as long as they didn't set it in on fire.

"No. You ruined your flag."

[Washington Resistance Army]

The cops were there protecting the Nazis because they didn't trust anti-fa not to start a violent confrontation that would result in the Nazis shooting them and going "You all saw em, they attacked us.".

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened either.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It reminds me that although I live in the South, the place I’ve ever seen KKK and neo-Nazi gatherings publicly has been in MI. Never down here. At least not yet.

Either way, cops are always present in those so hopefully better police surveillance can help keep the Pride LGBT participants and allies and the Nazis from clashing.

Livingston county Michigan is infamous for having its own KKK chapter. It's about a half hour North of Ann arbor which is ironic to say the least if you know anything about the culture of the city U of M is located in

I saw the rallies in Lansing.

[Gormwood]

The cops were there protecting the Nazis because they didn't trust anti-fa not to start a violent confrontation that would result in the Nazis shooting them and going "You all saw em, they attacked us.".

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened either.

Craig said the white supremacists had hoped to spark a riot that was worse than the Aug. 12, 2017, incident in Charlottesville, Virginia, in which a car was deliberately driven into a crowd of people who were protesting the Unite the Right rally, killing one and injuring 28. James Fields Jr., 20, was convicted in the killing and sentenced to life in prison.

"They wanted something even more substantive than Charlottesville," Craig said following a press conference Monday at Public Safety Headquarters. "That's according to credible intelligence we received."

But let's pretend the poor innocent Nazis were being victimized by the big mean Antifa.

[Nova Cyberia]

The cops were there protecting the Nazis because they didn't trust anti-fa not to start a violent confrontation that would result in the Nazis shooting them and going "You all saw em, they attacked us.".

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened either.

And of course there was Charlottesville.

The review of the August rally confirmed widespread observations that police did not intervene to break up brawls on downtown streets. The passive stance, the report said, "represents a tremendous tactical failure that has real and lasting consequences."

Heaphy said he heard from a couple of officers in the police command center that day who said Thomas told officers, "Let them fight for a little. It will make it easier to declare an unlawful assembly."

[Ostroeuropa]

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened either.

Craig said the white supremacists had hoped to spark a riot that was worse than the Aug. 12, 2017, incident in Charlottesville, Virginia, in which a car was deliberately driven into a crowd of people who were protesting the Unite the Right rally, killing one and injuring 28. James Fields Jr., 20, was convicted in the killing and sentenced to life in prison.

"They wanted something even more substantive than Charlottesville," Craig said following a press conference Monday at Public Safety Headquarters. "That's according to credible intelligence we received."

But let's pretend the poor innocent Nazis were being victimized by the big mean Antifa.

Nobody is pretending that. We're noting that the strategy they used to provoke that riot was to turn up armed and wait for anti-fa to start a violent confrontation, which would result in a shootout and the immediate descent of the march into chaos as several nazis begin opening fire in their general direction and whoopsie I accidentally the crowd instead of the person I was aiming for aren't I a bad shot, golly what an accident.