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Should the victims and their descendants receive reparations?

Yes
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23%
No
27
17%
Reparations in general are a stupid idea
67
42%
Everyone should be expelled from Europe
28
18%
 
Total votes : 159

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:26 pm

Highever wrote:
Nilrahrarfan wrote:We should give the Prussians reparations. Nope, not FORMER Prussians, but PRUSSIANS period. They still (hopefully) have the Prussian storm girl spirit, and they haven't gotten the reparations they deserved, while every other race has. I don't get why they don't pay them back.

Hate to break it to you but the Prussian people and spirit ceased being a thing by the 17th century or so.

Also every race gas had the wrongs against them righted already except for Prussians? When did this happen?

>17th century or so

Um... m8... Prussia lasted longer than that...
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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:27 pm

Highever wrote:
Nilrahrarfan wrote:We should give the Prussians reparations. Nope, not FORMER Prussians, but PRUSSIANS period. They still (hopefully) have the Prussian storm girl spirit, and they haven't gotten the reparations they deserved, while every other race has. I don't get why they don't pay them back.

Hate to break it to you but the Prussian people and spirit ceased being a thing by the 17th century or so.

Also every race gas had the wrongs against them righted already except for Prussians? When did this happen?

Well, ALMOST every other race. There are still some that haven't, but the Prussians should get the highest priority.

Also, I AM a Prussian. I know I don't have ancestry from there, but I consider myself one.

Call me a Prussiaboo, and expect a snarky reply.
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Postby Highever » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:29 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Highever wrote:Hate to break it to you but the Prussian people and spirit ceased being a thing by the 17th century or so.

Also every race gas had the wrongs against them righted already except for Prussians? When did this happen?

>17th century or so

Um... m8... Prussia lasted longer than that...

Half joke about the Old Prussian people.
Nilrahrarfan wrote:
Highever wrote:Hate to break it to you but the Prussian people and spirit ceased being a thing by the 17th century or so.

Also every race gas had the wrongs against them righted already except for Prussians? When did this happen?

Well, ALMOST every other race. There are still some that haven't, but the Prussians should get the highest priority.

Also, I AM a Prussian. I know I don't have ancestry from there, but I consider myself one.

Call me a Prussiaboo, and expect a snarky reply.

More than any other people? The highest priority? Why?

Also what the fuck does that work? You're not a Prussian by any sense of the definition not consider yourself prussian. What.
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Postby The Legion of Mankind » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:29 pm

Me, being a descendant of Prussian soldiers, think we shouldn’t have reparations but Germany should at least acknowledge the people. They need to be! The greatest generation of Germans existed during that time.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:29 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The Prussian spirit was beaten out of them about 70 years ago.

You may think so, but the ghost of Prussia still wanders around the German Empire Germany and Poland. As long as the AfD exists and Germany isn't a giant Far-Left Refugee Camp, the Prussian spirit will continue to exist. In fact, I consider myself Prussian despite never having descendants from there.

Call me a Prussiaboo, I'll love it.

What a world we live in, where fascists are now just self-identifying as Prussian.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:30 pm

*sigh* You want Danzig again, don't you?
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Postby Durzan » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:30 pm

Nakena wrote:Reparations in general are a stupid idea.

People need to get over shit that happened in the far distant past to their ancestors, or else there can be no peace in the present.


Exactly. What happened in the past happened, and nothing we do now will change that.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:31 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
Highever wrote:Hate to break it to you but the Prussian people and spirit ceased being a thing by the 17th century or so.

Also every race gas had the wrongs against them righted already except for Prussians? When did this happen?

Well, ALMOST every other race. There are still some that haven't, but the Prussians should get the highest priority.

Also, I AM a Prussian. I know I don't have ancestry from there, but I consider myself one.

Call me a Prussiaboo, and expect a snarky reply.

Why should prussians get the highest priority? I'm a goddamn M4 Sherman, if we're playing like that.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:31 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:*sigh* You want Danzig again, don't you?

Pfft, who wants Danzig when you can have Königsberg?
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Postby The Legion of Mankind » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:31 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
Highever wrote:Hate to break it to you but the Prussian people and spirit ceased being a thing by the 17th century or so.

Also every race gas had the wrongs against them righted already except for Prussians? When did this happen?

Well, ALMOST every other race. There are still some that haven't, but the Prussians should get the highest priority.

Also, I AM a Prussian. I know I don't have ancestry from there, but I consider myself one.

Call me a Prussiaboo, and expect a snarky reply.


Same, I’m a Prussiaboo also lol. The Empire should come back in my opinion.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:31 pm

Highever wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:>17th century or so

Um... m8... Prussia lasted longer than that...

Half joke about the Old Prussian people.
Nilrahrarfan wrote:Well, ALMOST every other race. There are still some that haven't, but the Prussians should get the highest priority.

Also, I AM a Prussian. I know I don't have ancestry from there, but I consider myself one.

Call me a Prussiaboo, and expect a snarky reply.

More than any other people? The highest priority? Why?

Also what the fuck does that work? You're not a Prussian by any sense of the definition not consider yourself prussian. What.

Ah, I see.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:31 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Nilrahrarfan wrote:You may think so, but the ghost of Prussia still wanders around the German Empire Germany and Poland. As long as the AfD exists and Germany isn't a giant Far-Left Refugee Camp, the Prussian spirit will continue to exist. In fact, I consider myself Prussian despite never having descendants from there.

Call me a Prussiaboo, I'll love it.

What a world we live in, where fascists are now just self-identifying as Prussian.

I'm an sJw Sherman and you're a piece of toast
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Postby The Legion of Mankind » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:32 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:*sigh* You want Danzig again, don't you?

Pfft, who wants Danzig when you can have Königsberg?

Yeah!
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:34 pm

The Legion of Mankind wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Pfft, who wants Danzig when you can have Königsberg?

Yeah!

Königsberg is rightful Russian Polish Mongol Swedish clay!
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:34 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
The Legion of Mankind wrote:Yeah!

Königsberg is rightful Russian Polish Mongol Swedish clay!

I think you mean Lithuanian.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:35 pm

Every time I think of Prussia and the German Empire it spawned, I think of Erich Kästner and Sargent Waurich:
https://www.lyrikline.org/en/poems/serg ... rich-14379

Sergeant Waurich

Das ist nun ein Dutzend Jahre her,
da war er unser Sergeant.
Wir lernten bei ihm: „Präsentiert das Gewehr!“
Wenn einer umfiel, lachte er
und spuckte vor ihm in den Sand.

„Die Knie beugt!“ war sein liebster Satz.
Den schrie er gleich zweihundertmal.
Da standen wir dann auf dem öden Platz
und beugten die Knie wie die Goliaths
und lernten den Haß pauschal.

Und wer schon auf allen vieren kroch,
dem riß er die Jacke auf
und brüllte: „Du Luder frierst ja noch!“
Und weiter ging’s. Man machte doch
in Jugend Ausverkauf…

Er hat mich zum Spaß durch den Sand gehetzt
und hinterher lauernd gefragt:
„Wenn du nun einen Revolver hättst –
brächtst du mich um, gleich hier und gleich jetzt?“
Da hab’ ich „Ja!“ gesagt.

Wer ihn gekannt hat, vergißt ihn nie.
Den legt man sich auf Eis!
Er war ein Tier. Und er spie und schrie.
Und Sergeant Waurich hieß das Vieh,
damit es jeder weiß.

Der Mann hat mir das Herz versaut.
Das wird ihm nie verziehn.
Es sticht und schmerzt und hämmert laut.
Und wenn mir nachts vorm Schlafen graut,
dann denke ich an ihn.


Anyway, and for what it's worth, as the literal descendant of people who fled East Prussia in 1945, my verdict on this thread is that it's stupid and OP should feel bad.
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Postby Russoslava » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:35 pm

There are no Prussians, only Germans. True Prussian call themselves Germans. Only fools call themselves Prussians.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:35 pm

The Legion of Mankind wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Pfft, who wants Danzig when you can have Königsberg?

Yeah!

Look at these Americans not wanting the return of Twangste.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:36 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Königsberg is rightful Russian Polish Mongol Swedish clay!

I think you mean Lithuanian.

I think you mean Finnish.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:37 pm

Russoslava wrote:There are no Prussians, only Germans. True Prussian call themselves Germans. Only fools call themselves Prussians.

There are no Texans, only Americans. True Texans call themselves Americans. Only fools call themselves Texas. It's a named subdivision of a nation. After looking at this thread, you can be what you want.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:37 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
The Legion of Mankind wrote:Yeah!

Königsberg is rightful Russian Polish Mongol Swedish clay!

As long as they keep the bridges, they can call it whatever they want.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:41 pm

Funny enough the original prussians vanished by the 17th century.

The Kingdom of Prussia had various obscure tribes and peoples under its rule, of whom most weren't even german in the first place.

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Postby Abarri » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:42 pm

Durzan wrote:
Nakena wrote:Reparations in general are a stupid idea.

People need to get over shit that happened in the far distant past to their ancestors, or else there can be no peace in the present.


Exactly. What happened in the past happened, and nothing we do now will change that.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:42 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:Every time I think of Prussia and the German Empire it spawned, I think of Erich Kästner and Sargent Waurich:
https://www.lyrikline.org/en/poems/serg ... rich-14379

Sergeant Waurich

Das ist nun ein Dutzend Jahre her,
da war er unser Sergeant.
Wir lernten bei ihm: „Präsentiert das Gewehr!“
Wenn einer umfiel, lachte er
und spuckte vor ihm in den Sand.

„Die Knie beugt!“ war sein liebster Satz.
Den schrie er gleich zweihundertmal.
Da standen wir dann auf dem öden Platz
und beugten die Knie wie die Goliaths
und lernten den Haß pauschal.

Und wer schon auf allen vieren kroch,
dem riß er die Jacke auf
und brüllte: „Du Luder frierst ja noch!“
Und weiter ging’s. Man machte doch
in Jugend Ausverkauf…

Er hat mich zum Spaß durch den Sand gehetzt
und hinterher lauernd gefragt:
„Wenn du nun einen Revolver hättst –
brächtst du mich um, gleich hier und gleich jetzt?“
Da hab’ ich „Ja!“ gesagt.

Wer ihn gekannt hat, vergißt ihn nie.
Den legt man sich auf Eis!
Er war ein Tier. Und er spie und schrie.
Und Sergeant Waurich hieß das Vieh,
damit es jeder weiß.

Der Mann hat mir das Herz versaut.
Das wird ihm nie verziehn.
Es sticht und schmerzt und hämmert laut.
Und wenn mir nachts vorm Schlafen graut,
dann denke ich an ihn.


Anyway, and for what it's worth, as the literal descendant of people who fled East Prussia in 1945, my verdict on this thread is that it's stupid and OP should feel bad.

I don't.
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Postby Highever » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:44 pm

Nakena wrote:Funny enough the original prussians vanished by the 17th century.

The Kingdom of Prussia had various obscure tribes and peoples under its rule, of whom most weren't even german in the first place.

I brought this up as well.
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