Texas Republican: "Vaccines are sorcery"

[TURTLESHROOM II]

This is one of the shoddiest, worst written Republican bashing threads I have seen in a long time. Try having independent thoughts for once in your lives and realize that context is your friend.

The Republican was attacking the vaccine man because he wanted to make vaccines compulsory and give the government unlimited power to put things into people's bodies. He said that the vaccine man was self-enriching and advocated for vaccines being mandatory in order to get rich, all risks be darned. He was asying that he wanted the government to force people to buy his product, which is anti-capitalist and un-American.

However, because none of you have ever done any critical thinking since you got into politics, you latched on to the gentleman's hyperbole instead of reading what he said.

Make the case for your sorcery to consumers on your own dime. Like every other business . Quit using the heavy hand of government to make your business profitable through mandates and immunity. It’s disgusting.

HE SAID THAT MANDATORY VACCINES ARE WRONG. HE SAID THAT THE GOVERNMENT FORCING YOU TO PUT THINGS INTO YOUR BODY IS WRONG. HE EQUATED IT TO MARXISM BECAUSE MARXIST STATES USE THAT DEGREE OF FORCE.

MY GLOB. Read the context!

All of your back patting, Republican bashing, self-righteous, elitist statements fails to point out that one of the worst pro-disease movements on the earth is in FRANCE. France is mostly an Atheist and socialistic country, and there are pro-disease nuts who want kids to get measles there as well. That isn't to mention that large numbers of pro-disease fools congregate in CALIFORNIA as well, where Typhus outbreaks are everywhere.

Giving the government infinite power to put anything they want into your body is wrong.

You don't have to be pro-disease to oppose mandatory vaccination. I support vaccinating children and I would certainly vaccinate mine. I have every vaccine offered to me in my body. So would my kids, because I believe vaccines work and are actually a good thing. Also, my grandfather had the measles and was incapacitated for over a week. He knows, on a personal basis, why vaccines are so good.

(On that note: I believe the chicken pox vaccine shouldn't be taken because the shingles vaccine is a thing and chicken pox is harmless if you are young. The chicken pox contraction rate was once one hundred percent. Shingles is the real danger. It's simply unnecessary. The same goes with the flu vaccine, unless your immune system is compromised or you are elderly, etc., especially because there are chances they make the wrong guess and print money anyway.)

(Also, the idea of pumping a premature newborn that small with that many vaccines and all the chemicals in them that quickly worries me because the doses are all the same; I'd personally prefer to pace inoculation on a larger time frame.)

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Vaccination shouldn't be a choice.

Freedom is more important than vaccination. The government should not be given infinite power to put anything they want into my body. Even things that are good. Period.

Unless I am deprived of my rights to it through a fair and impartial trial by a jury of my peers, the government does not own my body.

If the government can put anything they want in our bodies and use any justification, we are slaves, no better than those in Red China and all freedom we have is an illusion.

Nothing is worth giving the government infinite power to put anything they want into my body.

Only pro-disease fools choose not to vaccinate their kids. That is their right because freemen are not the property of the government.

[Galloism]

Vaccination shouldn't be a choice.

Freedom is more important than vaccination. The government should not be given infinite power to put anything they want into my body. Even things that are good. Period.

Unless I am deprived of my rights to it through a fair and impartial trial by a jury of my peers, the government does not own my body.

If the government can put anything they want in our bodies and use any justification, we are slaves, no better than those in Red China and all freedom we have is an illusion.

Nothing is worth giving the government infinite power to put anything they want into my body.

Only pro-disease fools choose not to vaccinate their kids. That is their right because freemen are not the property of the government.

Children however have a duty of care - mutilation loving parents mutilate their children’s genitals as well, and we don’t allow that.

Christian scientists (to a large extent) refuse to take children to the doctor, even when the child is on death’s door. We don’t allow that.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

I expect nothing less absurd from the Republican Party.

Says the man that seems to be an actual, legitimate Marxist (and the man who didn't read the context).

[Necroghastia]

This is one of the shoddiest, worst written Republican bashing threads I have seen in a long time. Try having independent thoughts for once in your lives and realize that context is your friend.

The Republican was attacking the vaccine man because he wanted to make vaccines compulsory and give the government unlimited power to put things into people's bodies. He said that the vaccine man was self-enriching and advocated for vaccines being mandatory in order to get rich, all risks be darned. He was asying that he wanted the government to force people to buy his product, which is anti-capitalist and un-American.

However, because none of you have ever done any critical thinking since you got into politics, you latched on to the gentleman's hyperbole instead of reading what he said.

Make the case for your sorcery to consumers on your own dime. Like every other business . Quit using the heavy hand of government to make your business profitable through mandates and immunity. It’s disgusting.

HE SAID THAT MANDATORY VACCINES ARE WRONG. HE SAID THAT THE GOVERNMENT FORCING YOU TO PUT THINGS INTO YOUR BODY IS WRONG. HE EQUATED IT TO MARXISM BECAUSE MARXIST STATES USE THAT DEGREE OF FORCE.

MY GLOB. Read the context!

All of your back patting, Republican bashing, self-righteous, elitist statements fails to point out that one of the worst pro-disease movements on the earth is in FRANCE. France is mostly an Atheist and socialistic country, and there are pro-disease nuts who want kids to get measles there as well. That isn't to mention that large numbers of pro-disease fools congregate in CALIFORNIA as well, where Typhus outbreaks are everywhere.

Giving the government infinite power to put anything they want into your body is wrong.

You don't have to be pro-disease to oppose mandatory vaccination. I support vaccinating children and I would certainly vaccinate mine. I have every vaccine offered to me in my body. So would my kids, because I believe vaccines work and are actually a good thing. Also, my grandfather had the measles and was incapacitated for over a week. He knows, on a personal basis, why vaccines are so good.

(On that note: I believe the chicken pox vaccine shouldn't be taken because the shingles vaccine is a thing and chicken pox is harmless if you are young. The chicken pox contraction rate was once one hundred percent. Shingles is the real danger. It's simply unnecessary. The same goes with the flu vaccine, unless your immune system is compromised or you are elderly, etc., especially because there are chances they make the wrong guess and print money anyway.)

(Also, the idea of pumping a premature newborn that small with that many vaccines and all the chemicals in them that quickly worries me because the doses are all the same; I'd personally prefer to pace inoculation on a larger time frame.)

...Yeah, still not seeing anything in that context that excuses calling vaccines "sorcery" or putting the word science in scare quotes.

Also not seeing anyone want to "pump premature newborns" full of spooky scary chemicals but go on, build that straw boy.

[Duhon]

The lives of others -- including the immunocompromised, for one reason or another, and thus unable to recieve vaccinations -- are far more important than this senator's, a random anti-vaxxer's, or Andrew Wakefield's notion of "freedom".

"Freedom" does not entitle you to kill others because you don't have the neurons to comprehend what a fucking vaccine is, and why the world has benefited from not dropping like flies.

Full fucking stop.

[The Rich Port]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/texas-la ... er-twitter

Fox News reported on it too, for everybody asking if it's legit.

They just, you know, didn't use that as the headline.

[Nakena]

The guy obviously doesnt understands anything about either vaccines or socrcery at all.

Which leads to the more interesting questions:

How the hell did he become lawmaker?

Who voted for him in the first place?

Who the hell is that guy and why hasn't he yet been put into the laughingstock?

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Children however have a duty of care - mutilation loving parents mutilate their children’s genitals as well, and we don’t allow that. Christian scientists (to a large extent) refuse to take children to the doctor, even when the child is on death’s door.

The state is an observer, not a caretaker. It intervenes when things goes wrong with children, not prevents it from happening. Their job is to intervene when kids are beaten or starved or whatever else, not when some uppity doctor doesn't like the way a parent is dealing with their child's illness.

That is, when the children's basic rights and immunities, etc., are directly and demonstrably deprived in a physical manner by the parents (e.g. child abuse, beatings, neglect, molestation, torture starvation, etc. etc. etc.), or the parents incapacitate themselves and demonstrate incapability of rearing children (e.g. joining ISIL, dressing them in drag and calling them the opposite sex, sexualizing them, both parents being blind or two disabled parents, kidnapping them from a spouse and going elsewhere, etc. etc. etc. etc.), the state can and should intervene to preserve them from hostile, immediate threats.

Not taking a procedure that a fallible, human doctor recommends is not a justification for DFACS to kidnap your kid.

That alone is traumatizing to the child and family. In the UK, which does not recognize parental supremacy, it leads to death panels (e.g. Gard and Evans) if the state decides the kid needs to die.

There is a difference between refusing a treatment and child abuse. While unfortunate, good faith should be assumed that the parent is doing this out of actual, legitimate concern of their child. The parent has supreme authority in how to deal with a child that is sick, and no one should be allowed to step in and stop it unless the state can prove malice, ill intent, or direct abuse.

The burden of proof is on the government, not the family. If the government makes the family assume the burden of proof DFACS has a problem in some countries with getting haughty and considering taking a kid for "oral neglect". When the government considers kidnapping your child because you didn't go to the dentist for a cavity, you are not in a free country.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

For vaccines I think the situation itself is fine right now. The government is not poisoning people yet. But the attitudes that anyone who doesn't believe in vaccination should be harmed is dangerous. The day a government does put something in vaccines is the day that everyone targeted calls victims because nobody is allowed to pass. Keep in mind that some vaccines are safe and given to many but a few are given with possible intent to harm. If the public can't control what gets out in their body does safety exist?

[Necroghastia]

For vaccines I think the situation itself is fine right now. The government is not poisoning people yet. But the attitudes that anyone who doesn't believe in vaccination should be harmed is dangerous. The day a government does put something in vaccines is the day that everyone targeted calls victims because nobody is allowed to pass. Keep in mind that some vaccines are safe and given to many but a few are given with possible intent to harm. If the public can't control what gets out in their body does safety exist?

Got some sauce for that pasta?

[Highever]

For vaccines I think the situation itself is fine right now. The government is not poisoning people yet. But the attitudes that anyone who doesn't believe in vaccination should be harmed is dangerous. The day a government does put something in vaccines is the day that everyone targeted calls victims because nobody is allowed to pass. Keep in mind that some vaccines are safe and given to many but a few are given with possible intent to harm. If the public can't control what gets out in their body does safety exist?

.....when and where the hell are vaccines used as some sort of instrument to deliberately inflict harm on others?

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Yeah, still not seeing anything in that context that excuses calling vaccines "sorcery" or putting the word science in scare quotes.

How about linguistics? Nothing in the CONTEXT of the quote says that he actually believed that the creation of a vaccine was an act of magic. He was simply using hyperbole, in the same way someone would call a patent medicine man's fraud "snake oil". Is it snake oil? Of course not. It's a metaphor.

As for "science" in scare quotes, I never trust a leftist when they talk about science.

The doomsday prophets of the collapse cult that pushes anthropogenic climate change say the world will LITERALLY END IN X YEARS (Ooops! The end did not come, BUT THE WORLD WILL END IN Y YEARS!). We only have until then to seize the means of production, eliminate air travel, or some other psychotic means of giving the GOVERNMENT control over every aspect of every means of consumer consumption! Then they claim that "science" backs the enslaving of mankind, despite having gotten the end of the world's due date wrong every time since Earth Day was created by a man that composted his murdered girlfriend's body.

Then they wonder why I don't believe them, as they drink internationally imported water from a plastic bottle while flying in their private jumbo jets to attend conferences with full parking lots to lecture me for not driving a Prius.


People call me "anti-science" and then, in the same breath, say that a woman can live-action role play as a man simply by mutilating her body and that's perfectly okay, instead of treating it like any other bodily identity disorder.

While the left is completely correct about vaccines being an absolute good, they tend to be the ones whose feelings trump science. So yes,

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Are Texas politicians playing DnD nowadays?

[Diopolis]

The guy obviously doesnt understands anything about either vaccines or socrcery at all.

Which leads to the more interesting questions:

How the hell did he become lawmaker?

Who voted for him in the first place?

Who the hell is that guy and why hasn't he yet been put into the laughingstock?

Rep Stickland ran on a pro-life platform, not an anti-vax one. It is extremely difficult for a pro-life republican to lose a general election in most of Texas, outside of deep urban(and his district is solidly suburban, slightly more religious and much whiter than average) or border regions districts. He's unlikely to be primaried, because the pro-life lobby'll back him to the end of the earth because of his record on that issue, and the only other relevant special interests in his district happen to also agree with him(about guns and taxes).
Let's also ignore that his "sorcery" rant was mostly about selectively applied libertarianism, not vaccines.

[Duhon]

My feelings are that no one should die because a believer in whatever bullshit Andrew Wakefield is saying happened to contract, say, measles -- and passed it on to any number of immunocompromised people.

But apparently those are "feelings" alone, ungrounded in the preservation of the species.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

For vaccines I think the situation itself is fine right now. The government is not poisoning people yet. But the attitudes that anyone who doesn't believe in vaccination should be harmed is dangerous. The day a government does put something in vaccines is the day that everyone targeted calls victims because nobody is allowed to pass. Keep in mind that some vaccines are safe and given to many but a few are given with possible intent to harm. If the public can't control what gets out in their body does safety exist?

.....when and where the hell are vaccines used as some sort of instrument to deliberately inflict harm on others?

Well the Nazis actually carried out experiments with supposed medicines that were not really medicines. Mass poisoning/infection by government has happened before and needles are one way to do it. Forced vaccinations and removal of choices are the perfect setup for killing rivals. Also it is very easy to put a full disease in a vaccine and say illness is a rare reaction.

[Neanderthaland]

If there aren’t memes of Gandalf administering vaccines by the end of next week I will be sorely disappointed with you, Internet.

Why Gandalf? We can have Saruman or maybe Dumbledore to do that.

"A NEW AVIAN FLU IS RISING! IT'S INOCULATION IS AT HAND!"

[Nakena]

The guy obviously doesnt understands anything about either vaccines or socrcery at all.

Which leads to the more interesting questions:

How the hell did he become lawmaker?

Who voted for him in the first place?

Who the hell is that guy and why hasn't he yet been put into the laughingstock?

Rep Stickland ran on a pro-life platform, not an anti-vax one. It is extremely difficult for a pro-life republican to lose a general election in most of Texas, outside of deep urban(and his district is solidly suburban, slightly more religious and much whiter than average) or border regions districts. He's unlikely to be primaried, because the pro-life lobby'll back him to the end of the earth because of his record on that issue, and the only other relevant special interests in his district happen to also agree with him(about guns and taxes).
Let's also ignore that his "sorcery" rant was mostly about selectively applied libertarianism, not vaccines.

Thanks Dio, that makes more sense now. The context of libertarianism might be proving to be enlightening.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Why Gandalf? We can have Saruman or maybe Dumbledore to do that.

"A NEW AVIAN FLU IS RISING! IT'S INOCULATION IS AT HAND!"

INOCULOUS PRICKUS!

[Duhon]

... I doubt that's a legitimate news source, Herp

CNN, MSN, Forbes, USAtoday, Washington Post etc are all not legitimate ?

I was being sarcastic.

[Rostavykhan]

This is gonna be the next "How to magnets work?" meme, isn't it?

I welcome an opportunity to laugh at Anti-Vaxxers anyways.

[Diopolis]

Rep Stickland ran on a pro-life platform, not an anti-vax one. It is extremely difficult for a pro-life republican to lose a general election in most of Texas, outside of deep urban(and his district is solidly suburban, slightly more religious and much whiter than average) or border regions districts. He's unlikely to be primaried, because the pro-life lobby'll back him to the end of the earth because of his record on that issue, and the only other relevant special interests in his district happen to also agree with him(about guns and taxes).
Let's also ignore that his "sorcery" rant was mostly about selectively applied libertarianism, not vaccines.

Thanks Dio, that makes more sense now. The context of libertarianism might be proving to be enlightening.

I mean, he's still a wingnut. But he's not, personally, an antivaxxer that I know of.

[USS Monitor]

I'm all for parental choice, but vaccines are not sorcery and it's not a good idea to have such ignorant people in government.

[New Legland]

This is one of the shoddiest, worst written Republican bashing threads I have seen in a long time. Try having independent thoughts for once in your lives and realize that context is your friend.

The Republican was attacking the vaccine man because he wanted to make vaccines compulsory and give the government unlimited power to put things into people's bodies. He said that the vaccine man was self-enriching and advocated for vaccines being mandatory in order to get rich, all risks be darned. He was asying that he wanted the government to force people to buy his product, which is anti-capitalist and un-American.

However, because none of you have ever done any critical thinking since you got into politics, you latched on to the gentleman's hyperbole instead of reading what he said.

Make the case for your sorcery to consumers on your own dime. Like every other business . Quit using the heavy hand of government to make your business profitable through mandates and immunity. It’s disgusting.

HE SAID THAT MANDATORY VACCINES ARE WRONG. HE SAID THAT THE GOVERNMENT FORCING YOU TO PUT THINGS INTO YOUR BODY IS WRONG. HE EQUATED IT TO MARXISM BECAUSE MARXIST STATES USE THAT DEGREE OF FORCE.

MY GLOB. Read the context!

All of your back patting, Republican bashing, self-righteous, elitist statements fails to point out that one of the worst pro-disease movements on the earth is in FRANCE. France is mostly an Atheist and socialistic country, and there are pro-disease nuts who want kids to get measles there as well. That isn't to mention that large numbers of pro-disease fools congregate in CALIFORNIA as well, where Typhus outbreaks are everywhere.

Giving the government infinite power to put anything they want into your body is wrong.

You don't have to be pro-disease to oppose mandatory vaccination. I support vaccinating children and I would certainly vaccinate mine. I have every vaccine offered to me in my body. So would my kids, because I believe vaccines work and are actually a good thing. Also, my grandfather had the measles and was incapacitated for over a week. He knows, on a personal basis, why vaccines are so good.

(On that note: I believe the chicken pox vaccine shouldn't be taken because the shingles vaccine is a thing and chicken pox is harmless if you are young. The chicken pox contraction rate was once one hundred percent. Shingles is the real danger. It's simply unnecessary. The same goes with the flu vaccine, unless your immune system is compromised or you are elderly, etc., especially because there are chances they make the wrong guess and print money anyway.)

(Also, the idea of pumping a premature newborn that small with that many vaccines and all the chemicals in them that quickly worries me because the doses are all the same; I'd personally prefer to pace inoculation on a larger time frame.)

He still called vaccines sorcery even given the context, so I don't know what that long-winded response was supposed to accomplish.