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Major-Tom
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:41 pm

Mihnoa wrote:
NeoOasis wrote:No one here is demanding vaccines for literally everyone without excuse or reason. Just the people trying to wiggle out by reason of religion or "ethical reasons". The reason most people here are pushing for mandatory vaccines are to protect those who can't get vaccines for legitimate reasons.

Modern society was meant to have irradicated measles and other 18th century diseases, but instead we find ourselves back in the dark ages of medicine. Fucking A.

I get what you are trying to say, but mandatory vaccinations would violate the 1st Amendment because it violates Freedoms of Speech and Religion.


If you argue from an absolutist point of view, then anything and everything could violate the 1st amendment. Seatbelt laws? Nah, some people may argue it infringes on their rights, therefore those laws shouldn't be in place! That's the sorta precedent that mindset puts into play.

In any society, especially in a functioning democracy such as our own, we must always value the right to do as one pleases, so long as it doesn't infringe on the right of another to live happily. By allowing parents to exclude their kids from vaccinations, it infringes on the rights of the child.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:34 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Mihnoa wrote:I get what you are trying to say, but mandatory vaccinations would violate the 1st Amendment because it violates Freedoms of Speech and Religion.


If you argue from an absolutist point of view, then anything and everything could violate the 1st amendment. Seatbelt laws? Nah, some people may argue it infringes on their rights, therefore those laws shouldn't be in place! That's the sorta precedent that mindset puts into play.

In any society, especially in a functioning democracy such as our own, we must always value the right to do as one pleases, so long as it doesn't infringe on the right of another to live happily. By allowing parents to exclude their kids from vaccinations, it infringes on the rights of the child.

At the same time, there probably aren't enough religions that genuinely teach against vaccinations to compromise herd immunity. Most religious objectors to vaxxing, anecdotally, are just gossippy housewives whose church circles put them in touch with anti-vaxxing gossippy housewives, and check their facts about as well as you'd expect,then use religion as a fig leaf(there are aborted babies in the vaccines! is a common one- which if they'd checked their facts they'd realize was a misleading and mostly incorrect statement.)
The solution would be to make religious objections to vaccines require a statement of belief from the church body or something. If you're a Christian scientist, fair. If you just believe they cause autism, sorry.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:45 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
If you argue from an absolutist point of view, then anything and everything could violate the 1st amendment. Seatbelt laws? Nah, some people may argue it infringes on their rights, therefore those laws shouldn't be in place! That's the sorta precedent that mindset puts into play.

In any society, especially in a functioning democracy such as our own, we must always value the right to do as one pleases, so long as it doesn't infringe on the right of another to live happily. By allowing parents to exclude their kids from vaccinations, it infringes on the rights of the child.

At the same time, there probably aren't enough religions that genuinely teach against vaccinations to compromise herd immunity. Most religious objectors to vaxxing, anecdotally, are just gossippy housewives whose church circles put them in touch with anti-vaxxing gossippy housewives, and check their facts about as well as you'd expect,then use religion as a fig leaf(there are aborted babies in the vaccines! is a common one- which if they'd checked their facts they'd realize was a misleading and mostly incorrect statement.)
The solution would be to make religious objections to vaccines require a statement of belief from the church body or something. If you're a Christian scientist, fair. If you just believe they cause autism, sorry.


Christian scientists... pray the fever away. You know, pray, ok, but take your sick kid to see a doctor. Makes me seethe every time I remember the case of the child that died because of his or her parents being of that denomination.

Edit: it was a boy. Aaron Grady. Nine years old and died of complications of untreated diabetes. Iirc, his case was discussed on NSG but I can’t recall if it was here or while on Jolt.
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