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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:24 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... nce-state/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-48537374

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/05/worl ... raids.html

https://newrepublic.com/article/154091/ ... -worldwide

Americans with insomnia and a Twitter account may have seen a disturbing sight on Tuesday night. Half a world away, the Australian Federal Police, the country’s equivalent of the FBI, raided the offices of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, the country’s equivalent of the BBC. John Lyons, the executive editor of ABC, published a blow-by-blow account on Twitter as AFP agents executed a search warrant against the media organization. It’s not unusual for journalists to face such treatment in more authoritarian countries, which makes it especially disturbing to see them subjected to it in a free nation like Australia. It shows that even liberal-democratic governments will use their power to suppress legitimate journalism, a lesson that America is learning in more subtle ways.

The ABC raid wasn’t an isolated incident. One day earlier, Australian police raided the home of News Corp Australia editor Annika Smethurst as part of a leak investigation. In an article published in the Sydney-based Daily Telegraph last year, Smethurst had reported that Australian ministers were crafting proposals to give an Australian spy agency sweeping new powers to surveil Australian citizens. Police spent hours at Smethurst’s home while searching her computer and cell phone. They had the support of Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison, whose center-right Liberal Party won an upset election victory last month. “It never troubles me that our laws are being upheld,” he told reporters. In theory, Australia is a democratic country. It has free elections, an independent judiciary, and civilian control of the military. When it comes to press freedom, however, Australia is a dismal backwater. It’s a country where, for example, journalists face substantial fines for covering the verdict of a major criminal trial: More than 30 reporters and news outlets are facing contempt hearings for allegedly reporting on Cardinal George Pell’s conviction on child sexual-abuse charges last December. Pell was the highest-ranking Catholic prelate to ever face charges for abusing children. His trial was a matter of immense public interest. But the presiding judge ordered journalists not to report his conviction out of fear of tainting the jury pool for a future Pell trial, even though every Aussie with Internet access knew the outcome. The journalists stand accused of helping foreign news outlets publish the verdict.
well ladies and gentlemen, it looks like Australian democracy is dead. The government has decided that the news is not free to report on any information they find and exposing the government for wrong doing or crimes against humanity will earn you a trip to the gulag, I mean correction facilitity. Hopefully this doesn't happen here in America but you never can be too careful. Your thoughts on this incident? Opinions on freedom of the press in general?
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Postby Inkopolitia » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:28 pm

And Australia is now on it's way to become an authoritarian hellhole. Nice!
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:31 pm

Illiberalism rising. Free speech and a free press is what keeps the government at bay, and a liberal democracy losing that protection is not a good omen.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:33 pm

I still absolutely love this
When it comes to press freedom, however, Australia is a dismal backwater

I'm putting that on my list of things I can use in an argument against Australians.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:34 pm

Inkopolitia wrote:And Australia is now on it's way to become an authoritarian hellhole. Nice!

Their gun policies have already done that. It is now just getting worse.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:36 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I still absolutely love this
When it comes to press freedom, however, Australia is a dismal backwater

I'm putting that on my list of things I can use in an argument against Australians.


I showed this to my mom, she was like :rofl:
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:39 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Illiberalism rising. Free speech and a free press is what keeps the government at bay, and a liberal democracy losing that protection is not a good omen.

A gun in your hand doesn’t hurt either.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:46 pm

Extremely worrying.

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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:56 pm

It's not wrong. The America government is loose on press freedoms and we arrested Arrange for disruptment. Europe arrests people all the time for hurting feelings. Don't you think the Aussies should be able to have a functioning sate?
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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:58 pm

Another unlucky day in the 'lucky country'. Good to know Australia is going back to it's roots as a prison colony by making the whole country a prison again.

But that's what you get voting 'Liberal'. You get more authoritanism, anti immigration paranoia and religious right politics.
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:02 pm

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:05 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:It's not wrong. The America government is loose on press freedoms and we arrested Arrange for disruptment. Europe arrests people all the time for hurting feelings. Don't you think the Aussies should be able to have a functioning sate?


:roll: Beware them that justify oppression with whataboutism.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:12 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:It's not wrong. The America government is loose on press freedoms and we arrested Arrange for disruptment. Europe arrests people all the time for hurting feelings. Don't you think the Aussies should be able to have a functioning sate?

Having a functioning government does not require oppression like this.

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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:28 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:It's not wrong. The America government is loose on press freedoms and we arrested Arrange for disruptment. Europe arrests people all the time for hurting feelings. Don't you think the Aussies should be able to have a functioning sate?


:roll: Beware them that justify oppression with whataboutism.

National security requires some oppression- in the minds of liberals at least it is oppression.
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Communist Zombie Horde wrote:It's not wrong. The America government is loose on press freedoms and we arrested Arrange for disruptment. Europe arrests people all the time for hurting feelings. Don't you think the Aussies should be able to have a functioning sate?

Having a functioning government does not require oppression like this.

Protecting people from foreign and domestic threats to government stability is needed. I don't think opinions should be rescricted but calling to action against the government on large media outlets can incite mass treasonous and violent activity. Is that good?
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Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
:roll: Beware them that justify oppression with whataboutism.

National security requires some oppression- in the minds of liberals at least it is oppression.
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Having a functioning government does not require oppression like this.

Protecting people from foreign and domestic threats to government stability is needed. I don't think opinions should be rescricted but calling to action against the government on large media outlets can incite mass treasonous and violent activity. Is that good?

If the government is North Korea, yes. Also, inciting action against government isn't a bad thing, that's what protests are. Violent action against a government isn't a bad thing as long as it's for a good cause.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:19 pm

And the tremors continue. Welcome to the New World Order, my friends.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:24 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
:roll: Beware them that justify oppression with whataboutism.

National security requires some oppression- in the minds of liberals at least it is oppression.
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Having a functioning government does not require oppression like this.

Protecting people from foreign and domestic threats to government stability is needed. I don't think opinions should be rescricted but calling to action against the government on large media outlets can incite mass treasonous and violent activity. Is that good?

If it is a shitty government, yes. Also, what is going on is the restriction of an opinion/information.

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:25 pm

Kowani wrote:And the tremors continue. Welcome to the New World Order, my friends.


Except instead of Jewish bankers and Satanist Masons, it's corrupt businessmen and their bootlickers.
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Postby Aclion » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:27 pm

First they come for the guns.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:27 pm

What’s up with western nations violating their values and going down the path of authoritarianism?

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
:roll: Beware them that justify oppression with whataboutism.

National security requires some oppression- in the minds of liberals at least it is oppression.
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Having a functioning government does not require oppression like this.

Protecting people from foreign and domestic threats to government stability is needed. I don't think opinions should be rescricted but calling to action against the government on large media outlets can incite mass treasonous and violent activity. Is that good?


If you’re such the “patriotic American” that you seem to claim to be you’d know that we have a pretty important document that prevents the kind of oppression you seem to be cool with.
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Aclion wrote:First they come for the guns.
When will you people learn?

Are you advocating for Australian journalists to shoot cops?
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:33 pm

Aclion wrote:First they come for the guns.
When will you people learn?

Because America has never had problems with press freedom.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:45 pm

Wow... I mean, if I could vote, I'd probably vote Green, and I'm not fan of the Libs. But there's a lot of dumb hyperbole in this thread.

Australia doesn't have solid free speech protections, really. And it has really terrible sedition laws, created and strengthened in recent times particular to shut down criticism of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and offshore detention. Those are terrible and should be changed, but the ALP was no more interested in doing that than the Libs are.

But that's a separate issue from this one. This is just the AFP pursuing a criminal investigation (which, I agree maybe shouldn't be one) in a hamfisted way by trying to identify the sources of a news report. That sort of thing happens all the time, in all sorts of western countries. It's not usually considered a Freedom of Speech issue.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:51 pm

Christ, tone down the hyperbole will you? Australian democracy isn't dead nor is it become an authoritarian hellhole.

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