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Is "FaceBit" a good name?

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:57 am

Petrolheadia wrote:This is basically a new form of stock options. Ain't nothing wrong with it.

This is basically a new form of company scrip and it is definitely bad.


Petrolheadia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Well Facebook benefited from Metcalfe's Law and Uber is basically a scam.

Yet people saying that only they have people pay them for being transpored is not a scam?

...what?
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:58 am

Why are people so angry at Facebook making business decisions?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:This is basically a new form of stock options. Ain't nothing wrong with it.

This is basically a new form of company scrip and it is definitely bad.

Do you know what company scrip is?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:01 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:This is basically a new form of company scrip and it is definitely bad.

Do you know what company scrip is?

An alternative currency issued by a company for use in their company store.

Who do you think is going to accept these Facebucks? Facebook, and no one else.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:12 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Why are people so angry at Facebook making business decisions?

I'm pretty sure you've been pissed when they and other social media platforms make the smart business decision to ban Nazis.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Do you know what company scrip is?

An alternative currency issued by a company for use in their company store.

Who do you think is going to accept these Facebucks? Facebook, and no one else.

For what? Their services are mostly free.
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:17 am

Because the company that can't be trusted not to harvest and sell your friends' friends' data is a good choice to trust with your monetary system.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:20 am

Ifreann wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Do you know what company scrip is?

An alternative currency issued by a company for use in their company store.

Who do you think is going to accept these Facebucks? Facebook, and no one else.

Or anyone who sells through Facebook, buys ads on Facebook, or pays for other services from facebook.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:28 am

BITCONNNEEEECCCTTTTTT

And anyway, Facebook will just set up a company store and avoid paying its workers actual salaries.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:33 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Uber has never made a profit.
It lives off borrowing money it will never repay.
The reason we created artificial scarcity in taxi driving is that because Taxi driving has no real barriers to entry, is essentially fungible and the supply is naturally, effectively limitless it is not a sustainable business absent government regulation.

In other words, regulate taxi drivers so those who are already in can profit.

Sounds like a cartel.


It is, but in that business necessary as they only did it after non regulated taxis failed.
In rare cases a cartel is needed.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:38 am

Why didn't they call it Facebucks
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:42 am

Novus America wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Yet people saying that only they have people pay them for being transpored is not a scam?


Uber has never made a profit.
It lives off borrowing money it will never repay.
The reason we created artificial scarcity in taxi driving is that because Taxi driving has no real barriers to entry, is essentially fungible and the supply is naturally, effectively limitless it is not a sustainable business absent government regulation.


Who cares? It's obvious taxis were overregulated and it just became a racket for city governments.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:42 am

Novus America wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:In other words, regulate taxi drivers so those who are already in can profit.

Sounds like a cartel.


It is, but in that business necessary as they only did it after non regulated taxis failed.
In rare cases a cartel is needed.


Non-regulated taxis didn't fail, they were forced out by the government.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:43 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Uber has never made a profit.
It lives off borrowing money it will never repay.
The reason we created artificial scarcity in taxi driving is that because Taxi driving has no real barriers to entry, is essentially fungible and the supply is naturally, effectively limitless it is not a sustainable business absent government regulation.


Who cares? It's obvious taxis were overregulated and it just became a racket for city governments.


Because there would then be no taxis at all.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:43 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Why are people so angry at Facebook making business decisions?


Because tech and media companies are inherently evil.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:44 am

Novus America wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Who cares? It's obvious taxis were overregulated and it just became a racket for city governments.


Because there would then be no taxis at all.


They'd exist where the service is demanded.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:45 am

Petrolheadia wrote:This is basically a new form of stock options. Ain't nothing wrong with it.


Except the "strike price" for these options has no real market price to be compared with. Where would you even trade facebucks?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:47 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:This is basically a new form of stock options. Ain't nothing wrong with it.


Except the "strike price" for these options has no real market price to be compared with. Where would you even trade facebucks?

On a Facebook backed exchange of course.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:59 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:This is basically a new form of stock options. Ain't nothing wrong with it.


Except the "strike price" for these options has no real market price to be compared with. Where would you even trade facebucks?

In the landfill.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:00 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Except the "strike price" for these options has no real market price to be compared with. Where would you even trade facebucks?

On a Facebook backed exchange of course.


So on Facebook Wall Street.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:03 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:On a Facebook backed exchange of course.


So on Facebook Wall Street.

But no dollars. Just fakebucks.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:06 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Except the "strike price" for these options has no real market price to be compared with. Where would you even trade facebucks?

On a Facebook backed exchange of course.


There is something called self-dealing and it is a massive FINRA violation that will likely result in criminal charges.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:06 am

Worthless.

Just pay them in bitcoin already!
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:07 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:On a Facebook backed exchange of course.


So on Facebook Wall Street.

In a manner of speaking.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:01 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Because there would then be no taxis at all.


They'd exist where the service is demanded.


Well they would go through catastrophic boom bust cycles even then.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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