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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:07 am

Ifreann wrote:I told you twice that I don't care about your excuses and justifications and apologetics. I'm now telling you now for a third time. I don't care. How many times do you need to be told a thing before you actually hear it? Because I'm not going to be reading this thread all night to keep telling you if you haven't gotten it yet.


So what you're saying is you aren't interested in discussion.
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Postby Karevka » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:23 am

As probably said by several others, the demonetization is aimed at content promoting Neo-Nazism, White Supremacy and other such ideologies. I see this as a good move because those who spread the mentioned ideologies will no longer have a platform. Among those I am sure will be removed are the Golden One (a Swedish Nazi), David Aurini (a crazy person) and many others. These kinds of people never should've had a platform to preach their despicable views in the first place peddling pseudoscience, racism, sexism and absolute falsehoods.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:26 am

Karevka wrote:As probably said by several others, the demonetization is aimed at content promoting Neo-Nazism, White Supremacy and other such ideologies. I see this as a good move because those who spread the mentioned ideologies will no longer have a platform. Among those I am sure will be removed are the Golden One (a Swedish Nazi), David Aurini (a crazy person) and many others.


And I'm sure that's a great comfort to all those people who aren't Nazis this effects.

After all, if I say my program of mandatory whacks to the head with a crowbar is to deter Nazis that makes it ok no matter its deleterious effects on everyone else.
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Postby Arayas » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:30 am

Karevka wrote:As probably said by several others, the demonetization is aimed at content promoting Neo-Nazism, White Supremacy and other such ideologies. I see this as a good move because those who spread the mentioned ideologies will no longer have a platform. Among those I am sure will be removed are the Golden One (a Swedish Nazi), David Aurini (a crazy person) and many others. These kinds of people never should've had a platform to preach their despicable views in the first place peddling pseudoscience, racism, sexism and absolute falsehoods.

Except the Golden one isn't a Nazi so you're blatantly proving my point that the bans and demonetizations are banning people ACCUSED of being "Nazis" regardless of what their actual beliefs are.
YouTube's definition of a "Nazi" is Antifas definition which is everyone who's not a Marxist.

I bet you think Jews like Ben Shapiro and Milo are "Nazis" too.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:18 pm

Page wrote:This myth that YouTube is targeting right wing and conservative content has to stop. It is not about conservative politics, it is a universal overkill response to purge anything remotely controversial, it's been happening to everyone which you right-wingers with this myth of persecution would know about if you ever stepped outside your own bubble.

Secular Talk - Political show hosted by Kyle Kulinski, a progressive and Bernie Sanders supporter. Every single one of his videos were demonetized with the adpocalypse and he reports now only earning a quarter of what he used. Algorithm changes resulted in a huge drop in expected new subscribers.

Jimmy Dore - Another progressive who has had almost everything demonetized, algorithm hid his channel from new subs too.

Telltale - Atheist youtuber who talks about Jehovah's Witnesses and other cults, most videos demonetized from the start.

Psyched Substance - A youtuber who talks about psychedelic drugs, harm reduction, and past trip experiences. Not only entirely demonetized but had to delete over half his videos so his channel wouldn't be banned.

It's gotten so ridiculous now you barely even come across a video where you hear the word 'fuck' instead of a bleep sound, because even the word 'fuck' means automatic demonetization. It is not about your politics, it is just a mass sanitization campaign. And yes, it's total bullshit but don't think the leftist side of youtube and apolitical youtubers aren't experiencing the same shit.

That's fair. Even the Joe Rogan Experience, which is hardly right-wing, has had some issues with the algorithms and bullshit copyright claims on videos. This is a larger issue than specific ideological repression.
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Postby Arayas » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:25 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Page wrote:This myth that YouTube is targeting right wing and conservative content has to stop. It is not about conservative politics, it is a universal overkill response to purge anything remotely controversial, it's been happening to everyone which you right-wingers with this myth of persecution would know about if you ever stepped outside your own bubble.

Secular Talk - Political show hosted by Kyle Kulinski, a progressive and Bernie Sanders supporter. Every single one of his videos were demonetized with the adpocalypse and he reports now only earning a quarter of what he used. Algorithm changes resulted in a huge drop in expected new subscribers.

Jimmy Dore - Another progressive who has had almost everything demonetized, algorithm hid his channel from new subs too.

Telltale - Atheist youtuber who talks about Jehovah's Witnesses and other cults, most videos demonetized from the start.

Psyched Substance - A youtuber who talks about psychedelic drugs, harm reduction, and past trip experiences. Not only entirely demonetized but had to delete over half his videos so his channel wouldn't be banned.

It's gotten so ridiculous now you barely even come across a video where you hear the word 'fuck' instead of a bleep sound, because even the word 'fuck' means automatic demonetization. It is not about your politics, it is just a mass sanitization campaign. And yes, it's total bullshit but don't think the leftist side of youtube and apolitical youtubers aren't experiencing the same shit.

That's fair. Even the Joe Rogan Experience, which is hardly right-wing, has had some issues with the algorithms and demonitized videos. This is a larger issue than specific ideological repression.


The fact that YouTube is screwing everyone isn't proof that they don't screw people of certain qroups more. To use your own example even Joe Rogan says YouTube has an anti-right bias.

There's a reason why PewDiePie rarely gets promoted or featured by YouTube meanwhile garbage like SNL or Colbert gets promoted every day Because by their standards He's a right winger because he had a gamer moment and made some edgy jokes.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:29 pm

Arayas wrote:
Scomagia wrote:That's fair. Even the Joe Rogan Experience, which is hardly right-wing, has had some issues with the algorithms and demonitized videos. This is a larger issue than specific ideological repression.


The fact that YouTube is screwing everyone isn't proof that they don't screw people of certain qroups more. To use your own example even Joe Rogan says YouTube has an anti-right bias.

There's a reason why PewDiePie rarely gets promoted or featured by YouTube meanwhile garbage like SNL or Colbert gets promoted every day Because by their standards He's a right winger because he had a gamer moment and made some edgy jokes.

I think it's more accurate to say that those perceived to be right-wing are being disproportionately targeted. But I don't think it's that big of a difference. Youtube is just shotgunning uploaders and while some larger portion of those hit are right-wing, it's still a problem for everyone.
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Postby Worvan Yar » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:30 pm

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Worvan Yar wrote:Youtube is a sad state of affairs... They're going the way of Nationstates, in a way.


I don't think Youtube is becoming 4chan's chattel.


That's true. Both sites still censor the word nigger and fag.

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:44 pm

Their website, their rules. :shrug:
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Postby Xmara » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:44 pm

Worvan Yar wrote:
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I don't think Youtube is becoming 4chan's chattel.


That's true. Both sites still censor the word nigger and fag.

And I have no problem with a website censoring those words.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:48 pm

Arayas wrote:
Scomagia wrote:That's fair. Even the Joe Rogan Experience, which is hardly right-wing, has had some issues with the algorithms and demonitized videos. This is a larger issue than specific ideological repression.


The fact that YouTube is screwing everyone isn't proof that they don't screw people of certain qroups more. To use your own example even Joe Rogan says YouTube has an anti-right bias.

There's a reason why PewDiePie rarely gets promoted or featured by YouTube meanwhile garbage like SNL or Colbert gets promoted every day Because by their standards He's a right winger because he had a gamer moment and made some edgy jokes.


There you have it: casual racism is just locker room talk gamer talk.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:54 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:YT has been doing this with material that’s flagged as inappropriate or that they perceive as bad in their platform for the better part of two years or so. A huge amount of content creators have been talking about it and creating either Patreons for their subscribers to help or leaving YT entirely. I’ve seen it happen with the horror community.


It's hilarious, though, that the OP has decided to focus on Nazi content instead of the rest of the perfectly reasonable and sometimes irrationally demonetized content that has been targeted in the past.

This has been going on for a little over a decade now, people, but I'm glad you guys caught up eventually because that lolcow Sargon of Akkad was unfairly targeted for being Keemstar but somehow worse. :roll:

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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:58 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:YT has been doing this with material that’s flagged as inappropriate or that they perceive as bad in their platform for the better part of two years or so. A huge amount of content creators have been talking about it and creating either Patreons for their subscribers to help or leaving YT entirely. I’ve seen it happen with the horror community.


It's hilarious, though, that the OP has decided to focus on Nazi content instead of the rest of the perfectly reasonable and sometimes irrationally demonetized content that has been targeted in the past.

This has been going on for a little over a decade now, people, but I'm glad you guys caught up eventually because that lolcow Sargon of Akkad was unfairly targeted for being Keemstar but somehow worse. :roll:

Up next: Mundane Matt was unfairly persecuted due to mental illness.

You know, it bothers me how casually people throw around "Nazi" to people for whom it doesn't even plausibly apply. You know when the actual Nazis show up, no one is going to believe you.

Hell, it's already happening in France.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:01 pm

Arayas wrote:
Scomagia wrote:That's fair. Even the Joe Rogan Experience, which is hardly right-wing, has had some issues with the algorithms and demonitized videos. This is a larger issue than specific ideological repression.


The fact that YouTube is screwing everyone isn't proof that they don't screw people of certain qroups more. To use your own example even Joe Rogan says YouTube has an anti-right bias.

There's a reason why PewDiePie rarely gets promoted or featured by YouTube meanwhile garbage like SNL or Colbert gets promoted every day Because by their standards He's a right winger because he had a gamer moment and made some edgy jokes.

Yelling nigger is not a gamer moment, stop being a caricature.

I play games all the time, yet i dont scream racial slurs whilst doing it.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:02 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Arayas wrote:
The fact that YouTube is screwing everyone isn't proof that they don't screw people of certain qroups more. To use your own example even Joe Rogan says YouTube has an anti-right bias.

There's a reason why PewDiePie rarely gets promoted or featured by YouTube meanwhile garbage like SNL or Colbert gets promoted every day Because by their standards He's a right winger because he had a gamer moment and made some edgy jokes.

Yelling nigger is not a gamer moment, stop being a caricature.

I play games all the time, yet i dont scream racial slurs whilst doing it.

Hell; Most people don't even excessively curse like 99% of all the Gamers on YT.
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Postby Arayas » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:04 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Arayas wrote:
The fact that YouTube is screwing everyone isn't proof that they don't screw people of certain qroups more. To use your own example even Joe Rogan says YouTube has an anti-right bias.

There's a reason why PewDiePie rarely gets promoted or featured by YouTube meanwhile garbage like SNL or Colbert gets promoted every day Because by their standards He's a right winger because he had a gamer moment and made some edgy jokes.


There you have it: casual racism is just locker room talk gamer talk.

That's right.
Imagine unironically thinking it isn't.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:05 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Yelling nigger is not a gamer moment, stop being a caricature.

I play games all the time, yet i dont scream racial slurs whilst doing it.

Hell; Most people don't even excessively curse like 99% of all the Gamers on YT.


I mean. I have friends who do that all the time. Personally I just laugh because my laugh scares people. I've been told that I have the laughs of six people in my throat.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:06 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Hell; Most people don't even excessively curse like 99% of all the Gamers on YT.


I mean. I have friends who do that all the time. Personally I just laugh because my laugh scares people. I've been told that I have the laughs of six people in my throat.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:07 pm

Arayas wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
There you have it: casual racism is just locker room talk gamer talk.

That's right.
Imagine unironically thinking it isn't.


Imagine unironically painting all gamers as racists just to excuse one guy's outburst.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:08 pm

Arayas wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
There you have it: casual racism is just locker room talk gamer talk.

That's right.
Imagine unironically thinking it isn't.


As a video game enthusiast myself, I'm failing to see how casual racism is somehow a primary facet of being a gamer.

Wouldn't it be more things like dedication, cooperation, skill, lack of discrimination, and good socialization?

So, not yelling like an insane person at your team-mates or fellow gamers and not being an obnoxious dullard?

Then again, I have been told Wings of Redemption and Dark Syde Phil are the perfect gamer by some people, so, I guess it must be true.

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Postby Arayas » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:09 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:YT has been doing this with material that’s flagged as inappropriate or that they perceive as bad in their platform for the better part of two years or so. A huge amount of content creators have been talking about it and creating either Patreons for their subscribers to help or leaving YT entirely. I’ve seen it happen with the horror community.


It's hilarious, though, that the OP has decided to focus on Nazi content instead of the rest of the perfectly reasonable and sometimes irrationally demonetized content that has been targeted in the past.

This has been going on for a little over a decade now, people, but I'm glad you guys caught up eventually because that lolcow Sargon of Akkad was unfairly targeted for being Keemstar but somehow worse. :roll:

Up next: Mundane Matt was unfairly persecuted due to mental illness.


The fact that you actually believe the people being banned and demonetized are "Nazis" says everything.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:11 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Arayas wrote:That's right.
Imagine unironically thinking it isn't.


As a video game enthusiast myself, I'm failing to see how casual racism is somehow a primary facet of being a gamer.

Wouldn't it be more things like dedication, cooperation, skill, lack of discrimination, and good socialization?

So, not yelling like an insane person at your team-mates or fellow gamers and not being an obnoxious dullard?

Then again, I have been told Wings of Redemption and Dark Syde Phil are the perfect gamer by some people, so, I guess it must be true.

Actually, gamers often use mental games against each other too. They go after whatever will destabilize their opponents.

I used to talk shit about John Deere to one guy that it really really really bothered and destabilized him and made him play worse when playing against him.
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Postby Arayas » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:12 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Arayas wrote:That's right.
Imagine unironically thinking it isn't.


As a video game enthusiast myself, I'm failing to see how casual racism is somehow a primary facet of being a gamer.

Wouldn't it be more things like dedication, cooperation, skill, lack of discrimination, and good socialization?

So, not yelling like an insane person at your team-mates or fellow gamers and not being an obnoxious dullard?

Then again, I have been told Wings of Redemption and Dark Syde Phil are the perfect gamer by some people, so, I guess it must be true.


I play games with people of all races and we use racial slurs all the time yet we're still friendly and cooperative. Your inability to understand humor you personally dislike doesn't give you the right to impede the right to free speech. Not being offended isnt a right.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:13 pm

I love how this thread turned from "Youtube" to "Gamers Rise Up"
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:13 pm

Arayas wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
As a video game enthusiast myself, I'm failing to see how casual racism is somehow a primary facet of being a gamer.

Wouldn't it be more things like dedication, cooperation, skill, lack of discrimination, and good socialization?

So, not yelling like an insane person at your team-mates or fellow gamers and not being an obnoxious dullard?

Then again, I have been told Wings of Redemption and Dark Syde Phil are the perfect gamer by some people, so, I guess it must be true.


I play games with people of all races and we use racial slurs all the time yet we're still friendly and cooperative. Your inability to understand humor you personally dislike doesn't give you the right to impede the right to free speech. Not being offended isnt a right.

Just because you and your mates use racial slurs does not mean its a standard thing for people who play games. Also if your humour is bound by racial slurs, it sucks.

Also youtube is a private company, freedom of speech does not really factor into it despite how shitty there decisions may be.
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