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Postby Aclion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:26 am

Cappuccina wrote:Why is anyone surprised by this still? YouTube is obviously leftist, but like the right-wing always says, "why do you just go make your own site/show/videogames?"

Pretty funny that they can't take their own advice.

Because laws against anti competitive business practices aren't being enforced in this market. Hell the whole reason this censorship is happening is because youtube is caving to lobbying from legacy media to censor their competitors.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:26 am

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Scomagia wrote:I'm sorry English confuses you.

I'm sorry you don't understand the meaning of the word "homophobia", since you called it "nonsense". I figured it'd be fairly obvious by now.


I'm sorry you didn't take basic communications classes and aren't aware that words only have meanings if the meanings are agreed upon by the two people attempting to communicate.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:28 am

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Cappuccina wrote:Why is anyone surprised by this still? YouTube is obviously leftist, but like the right-wing always says, "why do you just go make your own site/show/videogames?"

Pretty funny that they can't take their own advice.

Because laws against anti competitive business practices aren't being enforced in this market. Hell the whole reason this censorship is happening is because youtube is caving to lobbying from legacy media to censor their competitors.


So what content has been removed or otherwise rendered inaccessible?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:29 am

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Aclion wrote:Because laws against anti competitive business practices aren't being enforced in this market. Hell the whole reason this censorship is happening is because youtube is caving to lobbying from legacy media to censor their competitors.


So what content has been removed or otherwise rendered inaccessible?


Are you actually asking for links to things that have been removed? :roll:
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:29 am

I don't know who this 'Sargon of Akkad' is, nor do I particularly care.

What mildly irritates me is that if you Google 'Sargon of Akkad', this is no longer the first thing that appears in an image search:

Image

Instead it's some bearded white man who seems to be frequently photographed standing in front of UKIP posters.

Why some inconsequential online figure would take on the name of one of the most important individuals in ancient Mesopotamian history, and what the claimed affinity supposedly is, escapes me. But the original Sargon would likely consider him an urĝir ĝešbe eme šubba.


Don't bother to waste time explaining it to me. If I ever need to find out to moderate this site, I can do my own research. Otherwise, I have better things to do with my time.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:29 am

Vassenor wrote:
Aclion wrote:Because laws against anti competitive business practices aren't being enforced in this market. Hell the whole reason this censorship is happening is because youtube is caving to lobbying from legacy media to censor their competitors.


So what content has been removed or otherwise rendered inaccessible?


From what I know so far a whole bunch of channels and videos have been outright deleted.

Not only far-right videos or channels either, people who identify strongly with your causes are also prone to getting axed for no reason.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:30 am

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The Emerald Legion wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what content has been removed or otherwise rendered inaccessible?


Are you actually asking for links to things that have been removed? :roll:


I am asking for proof that actual censorship has occurred and that these cries of such are not simple hyperbole, yes.
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Postby Aclion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Aclion wrote:Because laws against anti competitive business practices aren't being enforced in this market. Hell the whole reason this censorship is happening is because youtube is caving to lobbying from legacy media to censor their competitors.


So what content has been removed or otherwise rendered inaccessible?

Who knows? Youtube doesn't publish that, but I know that Pool has has to self censor to avoid it.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:31 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what content has been removed or otherwise rendered inaccessible?


From what I know so far a whole bunch of channels and videos have been outright deleted.

Not only far-right videos or channels either, people who identify strongly with your causes are also prone to getting axed for no reason.

The algorithm taketh away... and then it taketh away some more.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:33 am

Liriena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
From what I know so far a whole bunch of channels and videos have been outright deleted.

Not only far-right videos or channels either, people who identify strongly with your causes are also prone to getting axed for no reason.

The algorithm taketh away... and then it taketh away some more.

I will say that I feel terrible for the Youtube team's community manager. Their job is to try to give a positive spin to the team's baffling cluelessness while facing the ire of everyone on the internet and it must be taking its toll on them.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:33 am

The Archregimancy wrote:I don't know who this 'Sargon of Akkad' is, nor do I particularly care.

What mildly irritates me is that if you Google 'Sargon of Akkad', this is no longer the first thing that appears in an image search:

(Image)

Instead it's some bearded white man who seems to be frequently photographed standing in front of UKIP posters.

Why some inconsequential online figure would take on the name of one of the most important individuals in ancient Mesopotamian history, and what the claimed affinity supposedly is, escapes me. But the original Sargon would likely consider him an urĝir ĝešbe eme šubba.


Don't bother to waste time explaining it to me. If I ever need to find out to moderate this site, I can do my own research. Otherwise, I have better things to do with my time.


He's a British Atheist Troll who became popular in gamergate and then foolishly mistook online popularity for political relevance. Not sure why he chose the name.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:34 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what content has been removed or otherwise rendered inaccessible?


From what I know so far a whole bunch of channels and videos have been outright deleted.

Not only far-right videos or channels either, people who identify strongly with your causes are also prone to getting axed for no reason.

Are they getting removed immediately, or are they just falling foul of YT’s three strike rule?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:34 am

Liriena wrote:
Liriena wrote:The algorithm taketh away... and then it taketh away some more.

I will say that I feel terrible for the Youtube team's community manager. Their job is to try to give a positive spin to the team's baffling cluelessness while facing the ire of everyone on the internet and it must be taking its toll on them.


Who would even want to be YouTubes community manager lol. Like, how much would you have to get offered to take that job if you know their track record?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:35 am

Aclion wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what content has been removed or otherwise rendered inaccessible?

Who knows? Youtube doesn't publish that, but I know that Pool has has to self censor to avoid it.


So it's not YouTube doing the censorship then.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:35 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:I will say that I feel terrible for the Youtube team's community manager. Their job is to try to give a positive spin to the team's baffling cluelessness while facing the ire of everyone on the internet and it must be taking its toll on them.


Who would even want to be YouTubes community manager lol. Like, how much would you have to get offered to take that job if you know their track record?


Truely, I think we can all agree that that job better have a big payoff for all the shit they are gonna get.
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Postby Aclion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:36 am

Liriena wrote:
Liriena wrote:The algorithm taketh away... and then it taketh away some more.

I will say that I feel terrible for the Youtube team's community manager. Their job is to try to give a positive spin to the team's baffling cluelessness while facing the ire of everyone on the internet and it must be taking its toll on them.

It's their own fault for trying to be both a publisher and a platform. It's not only illegal, it's impossible to pull off. There's just too much stuff for people to moderate a site like youtube accurately, and computers are even worse.

Vassenor wrote:
Aclion wrote:Who knows? Youtube doesn't publish that, but I know that Pool has has to self censor to avoid it.


So it's not YouTube doing the censorship then.

No, because he's self censoring to report on things without getting automatically censored by youtube. It's still censorship.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:36 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:I will say that I feel terrible for the Youtube team's community manager. Their job is to try to give a positive spin to the team's baffling cluelessness while facing the ire of everyone on the internet and it must be taking its toll on them.


Who would even want to be YouTubes community manager lol. Like, how much would you have to get offered to take that job if you know their track record?

Sometimes the worst job is the only job. See: cable company community managers. Those people are braver than the troops o7
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:37 am

Vassenor wrote:[align=][/align]
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Are you actually asking for links to things that have been removed? :roll:


I am asking for proof that actual censorship has occurred and that these cries of such are not simple hyperbole, yes.

Well, they have been sued over it multiple times. Here's one such example. Google argues they don't censor conservative content, but that wasn't why the lawsuit was thrown out - it was thrown out because as a private corporation they are not subject to first amendment restrictions like a government is.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:38 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:I don't know who this 'Sargon of Akkad' is, nor do I particularly care.

What mildly irritates me is that if you Google 'Sargon of Akkad', this is no longer the first thing that appears in an image search:

(Image)

Instead it's some bearded white man who seems to be frequently photographed standing in front of UKIP posters.

Why some inconsequential online figure would take on the name of one of the most important individuals in ancient Mesopotamian history, and what the claimed affinity supposedly is, escapes me. But the original Sargon would likely consider him an urĝir ĝešbe eme šubba.


Don't bother to waste time explaining it to me. If I ever need to find out to moderate this site, I can do my own research. Otherwise, I have better things to do with my time.


He's a British Atheist Troll who became popular in gamergate and then foolishly mistook online popularity for political relevance. Not sure why he chose the name.

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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:38 am

Alvecia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
From what I know so far a whole bunch of channels and videos have been outright deleted.

Not only far-right videos or channels either, people who identify strongly with your causes are also prone to getting axed for no reason.

Are they getting removed immediately, or are they just falling foul of YT’s three strike rule?


A bunch were seemingly deleted just in the past day or two so three strikes seems doubtful.

One I know for sure that got axed out of the blue was FascistBallIV. While you can disagree with the politics and whatnot it was literally just a music channel that posted songs by far right or third position groups. They also got yeet'd off Facebook and Twitter.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:39 am

Liriena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Who would even want to be YouTubes community manager lol. Like, how much would you have to get offered to take that job if you know their track record?

Sometimes the worst job is the only job. See: cable company community managers. Those people are braver than the troops o7

It's really hard to be community manager of the devil.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:39 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Are they getting removed immediately, or are they just falling foul of YT’s three strike rule?


A bunch were seemingly deleted just in the past day or two so three strikes seems doubtful.

One I know for sure that got axed out of the blue was FascistBallIV. While you can disagree with the politics and whatnot it was literally just a music channel that posted songs by far right or third position groups. They also got yeet'd off Facebook and Twitter.

Probably the music did it. Copyright most likely.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:39 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Are they getting removed immediately, or are they just falling foul of YT’s three strike rule?


A bunch were seemingly deleted just in the past day or two so three strikes seems doubtful.

One I know for sure that got axed out of the blue was FascistBallIV. While you can disagree with the politics and whatnot it was literally just a music channel that posted songs by far right or third position groups. They also got yeet'd off Facebook and Twitter.

Hot damn, Twitter. And here I thought you were only going to stick to yeeting off people who post anti-TERF memes.
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Political compass stuff:
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:40 am

Liriena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Who would even want to be YouTubes community manager lol. Like, how much would you have to get offered to take that job if you know their track record?

Sometimes the worst job is the only job. See: cable company community managers. Those people are braver than the troops o7


Yknow. The troops get shot at. Then again, they can Shoot back.

Maybe community managers should be able to shoot back?
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:40 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Liriena wrote:Sometimes the worst job is the only job. See: cable company community managers. Those people are braver than the troops o7


Yknow. The troops get shot at. Then again, they can Shoot back.

Maybe community managers should be able to shoot back?

Typically, that only makes it worse.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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