YouTube drops mask, Mass Demonetizes right wing content

[Des-Bal]

Martin Luther King was spied on, harrassed and had the FBI send letters to him urging him to kill himself. That's the FBI as in an official arm of the government. The same FBI that assassinated Black Panther leaders. Don't pretend that freedom of speech wasn't bastardized and fucked over by the establishment of the day and don't pretend that some gay bashing youtuber getting told he can't make money off youtube is in any way in the same league.

And the fact that the FBI was involved clearly means nobody else was.

[Scomagia]

See here's where we get to the confusion. I believe in free speech. You don't. You don't care about free speech and you never did and it's painfully obvious in the way you're looking at "good and bad" people. It couldn't fucking matter less to me, MLK didn't have a right to speak because he was a good person he had it because he was a person. I have the presence of mind to understand everybody is casting themselves as the good guy. I don't think you should piss on people from high windows, and the lefties agreed with that sentiment right up until it was their turn on the balcony.

Martin Luther King was spied on, harrassed and had the FBI send letters to him urging him to kill himself. That's the FBI as in an official arm of the government. The same FBI that assassinated Black Panther leaders. Don't pretend that freedom of speech wasn't bastardized and fucked over by the establishment of the day and don't pretend that some gay bashing youtuber getting told he can't make money off youtube is in any way in the same league.

Source that the FBI asassinated Black Panthers?

Gay basher? Making tasteless jokes makes you on par with people who actually beat up gay people?

[Caracasus]

Martin Luther King was spied on, harrassed and had the FBI send letters to him urging him to kill himself. That's the FBI as in an official arm of the government. The same FBI that assassinated Black Panther leaders. Don't pretend that freedom of speech wasn't bastardized and fucked over by the establishment of the day and don't pretend that some gay bashing youtuber getting told he can't make money off youtube is in any way in the same league.

Source that the FBI asassinated Black Panthers?

Gay basher? Making tasteless jokes makes you on par with people who actually beat up gay people?

Fred Hampton and the others unlucky enough to be in the apartment at the time, save the FBI informant. That's the ones that can be proven.

[First American Empire]

If you think it's hell already, try commuting through the Canadian border checkpoint. Commute times used to take me an hour. At best. It was usually even worse.

Where do you live, by the way?

About 20-30 minutes outside Lacey nowadays. Rural Thurston county is great.

All of Washington is beautiful, to be honest. I'd be happy living anywhere in this state so long as commute times weren't an issue.

[Scomagia]

Source that the FBI asassinated Black Panthers?

Gay basher? Making tasteless jokes makes you on par with people who actually beat up gay people?

Fred Hampton and the others unlucky enough to be in the apartment at the time, save the FBI informant. That's the ones that can be proven.

No, I mean an actual source.

Nice dodge of my second point, by the way.

[Caracasus]

Fred Hampton and the others unlucky enough to be in the apartment at the time, save the FBI informant. That's the ones that can be proven.

No, I mean an actual source.

Nice dodge of my second point, by the way.

I don't really care about the second point because it should be reasomably obvious I was using the word as a generic term for anyone who stirs up anti gay stuff, be it kicking people's heads in or spreading bigoted shit online. Part of the same crowd.

I suggest you google the name maybe? I'm quite surprised you haven't heard of it to be honest.

[Des-Bal]

I don't really care about the second point because it should be reasomably obvious I was using the word as a generic term for anyone who stirs up anti gay stuff, be it kicking people's heads in or spreading bigoted shit online. Part of the same crowd.

I suggest you google the name maybe? I'm quite surprised you haven't heard of it to be honest.

"Part of the same crowd." I love it.

[Scomagia]

No, I mean an actual source.

Nice dodge of my second point, by the way.

I don't really care about the second point because it should be reasomably obvious I was using the word as a generic term for anyone who stirs up anti gay stuff, be it kicking people's heads in or spreading bigoted shit online. Part of the same crowd.

I suggest you google the name maybe? I'm quite surprised you haven't heard of it to be honest.

Gay basher has a pretty specific history relating to the kinds of fucks that beat gay people.

Provide your own sources. I'm not going to source your claims for you.

[Proctopeo]

I don't really care about the second point because it should be reasomably obvious I was using the word as a generic term for anyone who stirs up anti gay stuff, be it kicking people's heads in or spreading bigoted shit online. Part of the same crowd.

I suggest you google the name maybe? I'm quite surprised you haven't heard of it to be honest.

"Part of the same crowd." I love it.

calling people bad words on the internet is the same as beating up gays irl

[Scomagia]

I don't really care about the second point because it should be reasomably obvious I was using the word as a generic term for anyone who stirs up anti gay stuff, be it kicking people's heads in or spreading bigoted shit online. Part of the same crowd.

I suggest you google the name maybe? I'm quite surprised you haven't heard of it to be honest.

"Part of the same crowd." I love it.

Indeed. Apparently saying mean things is the same as cracking somebody's skull because they are gay.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No, I mean an actual source.

Nice dodge of my second point, by the way.

I don't really care about the second point because it should be reasomably obvious I was using the word as a generic term for anyone who stirs up anti gay stuff, be it kicking people's heads in or spreading bigoted shit online. Part of the same crowd.

I suggest you google the name maybe? I'm quite surprised you haven't heard of it to be honest.

Actions and words do not equate to the same thing.

[Caracasus]

I don't really care about the second point because it should be reasomably obvious I was using the word as a generic term for anyone who stirs up anti gay stuff, be it kicking people's heads in or spreading bigoted shit online. Part of the same crowd.

I suggest you google the name maybe? I'm quite surprised you haven't heard of it to be honest.

Gay basher has a pretty specific history relating to the kinds of fucks that beat gay people.

Provide your own sources. I'm not going to source your claims for you.

Fuck's sake.

Wikipedia:

Fred Hampton was quickly moving up the ranks in the Black Panther Party, and his talent as a political organizer was described as remarkable.[5][6] In 1968, he was on the verge of creating a merger between the BPP and a southside street gang with thousands of members, which would have doubled the size of the national BPP.[5][6] Moreover, it meant an alliance extending the Black Panther Party reach and influence united with white, Italian and Latino organizers, a step which Hoover viewed as an untenable ultimate threat and ordered an intensified FBI crackdown to the level of "any means necessary" to destroy the BPP.

In November 1969, Hampton traveled to California and met with the National BPP leadership at UCLA. It was there that they offered him a position on the Central Committee as the chief of staff and asked him to serve as the national spokesman for the BPP. While Hampton was out of town, two Chicago police officers, John J. Gilhooly and Frank G. Rappaport, were killed in a gun battle with Panthers on the night of November 13. A total of nine police officers were shot; a 19-year-old Panther named Spurgeon Winter Jr. was killed by police and another Panther, Lawrence S. Bell, was charged with murder. In an unsigned editorial headlined "No Quarter for Wild Beasts", the Chicago Tribune urged that Chicago police officers approaching suspected Panthers "should be ordered to be ready to shoot."[14][15]

The FBI, determined to prevent any enhancement of the BPP leadership's effectiveness, decided to set up an arms raid on Hampton's Chicago apartment. FBI informant William O'Neal provided them with detailed information about Hampton's apartment, including the layout of furniture and the bed in which Hampton and his girlfriend slept. An augmented, 14-man team of the SAO—Special Prosecutions Unit—was organized for a pre-dawn raid armed with a warrant for illegal weapons.[5][6]

On the evening of December 3, Hampton taught a political education course at a local church, which was attended by most members. Afterwards, as was typical, several Panthers went to the Monroe Street apartment to spend the night, including Hampton and Deborah Johnson, Blair Anderson, Ronald "Doc" Satchell, Harold Bell, Verlina Brewer, Louis Truelock, Brenda Harris, and Mark Clark. Upon arrival, they were met by O'Neal, who had prepared a late dinner, which the group ate around midnight. O'Neal had slipped the barbiturate sleep agent, secobarbitol, into a drink that Hampton consumed during the dinner, in order to sedate Hampton so he would not awaken during the subsequent raid. O'Neal left at this point, and, at about 1:30 a.m., December 4, Hampton fell asleep mid-sentence talking to his mother on the telephone.[16][17][18][19] Although Hampton was not known to take drugs, Cook County chemist Eleanor Berman would report that she ran two separate tests which each showed evidence of barbiturates in Hampton's blood. An FBI chemist would later fail to find similar traces, but Berman stood by her findings.[20]


The body of Fred Hampton, after being shot twice in the head at point blank range by members of the Chicago Police Department.
The raid was organized by the office of Cook County State's Attorney Edward Hanrahan, using officers attached to his office.[21] Hanrahan had recently been the subject of a large amount of public criticism by Hampton, who had made speeches about how Hanrahan's talk about a "war on gangs" was really rhetoric used to enable him to carry out a "war on black youth".[22] At 4:00 a.m., the heavily armed police team arrived at the site, divided into two teams, eight for the front of the building and six for the rear. At 4:45 a.m., they stormed into the apartment. Mark Clark, sitting in the front room of the apartment with a shotgun in his lap, was on security duty. He was shot in the chest and died instantly.[23]

A single round was fired from his gun, caused by a reflexive death-convulsion after the raiding team shot him; this was the only shot the Panthers fired.[6][24][25] Automatic gunfire then converged at the head of the south bedroom where Hampton slept, unable to awaken as a result of the barbiturates the FBI infiltrator had slipped into his drink. He was lying on a mattress in the bedroom with his fiancée, who was nine months pregnant with their child.[23] Two officers found him wounded in the shoulder, and fellow Black Panther Harold Bell reported that he heard the following exchange:

"That's Fred Hampton."
"Is he dead?... Bring him out."
"He's barely alive.
"He'll make it."
Two shots were heard, which were later found to have been fired point blank at Hampton's head. According to Johnson, one officer then said:

"He's good and dead now."[26]
Hampton's body was dragged into the doorway of the bedroom and left in a pool of blood. The officers then directed their gunfire towards the remaining Panthers, who had been sleeping in the north bedroom (Satchel, Anderson, and Brewer).[23] Verlina Brewer, Ronald "Doc" Satchel, Blair Anderson, and Brenda Harris were seriously wounded,[23] then beaten and dragged into the street, where they were arrested on charges of aggravated assault and the attempted murder of the officers. They were each held on US$100,000 bail.[27]

Hampton's fiancée, Deborah Johnson, was sleeping next to him when the police raid began. She was forcibly removed from the room by the police officers while Hampton lay unconscious in bed. In the early 1990s, Johnson was interviewed about the raid by Jose Cha Cha Jimenez, former president and co-founder of the Young Lords Organization, which had developed close ties to Fred Hampton and the Chicago Black Panther Party during the late 1960s. She recollected:

I believe Fred Hampton was drugged. The reason why is because when he woke up when the person [Truelock] said, "Chairman, chairman," he was shaking Fred's arm, you know, Fred's arm was folded across the head of the bed. And Fred—he just raised his head up real slow. It was like watching a slow motion. He raised. His eyes were open. He raised his head up real slow, you know, with his eyes toward the entranceway, toward the bedroom and laid his head back down. That was the only movement he made [...][28]
The seven Panthers who survived the raid were indicted by a grand jury on charges of attempted murder, armed violence, and various other weapons charges. These charges were subsequently dropped. During the trial, the Chicago Police Department claimed that the Panthers were the first to fire shots; however, a later investigation found that the Chicago police fired between ninety and ninety-nine shots while the Panthers had only shot once.[29]

After the raid, the apartment was left unguarded, which allowed the Panthers to send some members to investigate. They were accompanied by a videographer and the footage was later released in the 1971 documentary The Murder of Fred Hampton. After a break-in at an FBI office in Pennsylvania, the existence of COINTELPRO, an illegal counter-intelligence program, was brought to light. The awareness of this program caused many to suspect that the police raid and the shooting of Fred Hampton were parts of the program's initiative. One of the documents that were released after the break-in was a floor plan of Hampton's apartment. Another document outlined a deal the FBI brokered with the deputy attorney general to conceal the FBI's role in the assassination of Hampton and the existence of COINTELPRO.[29]

The FBI had Fred Hampton drugged and had the Chicago PD kill him on a pretext. If you seriously believe otherwise I have some beachfront property to sell you. I have books and stuff that references it and goes into considerably more detail than the article which contains a few inconsistencies from what I remember, but you're buying those yourself.

[Liriena]

Good thing I advocate for the former, then.

I'm confident you believe that.

Calling me delusional is not an argument.

[Cekoviu]

I'm confident you believe that.

Calling me delusional is not an argument.

[Scomagia]

Gay basher has a pretty specific history relating to the kinds of fucks that beat gay people.

Provide your own sources. I'm not going to source your claims for you.

Fuck's sake.

Wikipedia:

Fred Hampton was quickly moving up the ranks in the Black Panther Party, and his talent as a political organizer was described as remarkable.[5][6] In 1968, he was on the verge of creating a merger between the BPP and a southside street gang with thousands of members, which would have doubled the size of the national BPP.[5][6] Moreover, it meant an alliance extending the Black Panther Party reach and influence united with white, Italian and Latino organizers, a step which Hoover viewed as an untenable ultimate threat and ordered an intensified FBI crackdown to the level of "any means necessary" to destroy the BPP.

In November 1969, Hampton traveled to California and met with the National BPP leadership at UCLA. It was there that they offered him a position on the Central Committee as the chief of staff and asked him to serve as the national spokesman for the BPP. While Hampton was out of town, two Chicago police officers, John J. Gilhooly and Frank G. Rappaport, were killed in a gun battle with Panthers on the night of November 13. A total of nine police officers were shot; a 19-year-old Panther named Spurgeon Winter Jr. was killed by police and another Panther, Lawrence S. Bell, was charged with murder. In an unsigned editorial headlined "No Quarter for Wild Beasts", the Chicago Tribune urged that Chicago police officers approaching suspected Panthers "should be ordered to be ready to shoot."[14][15]

The FBI, determined to prevent any enhancement of the BPP leadership's effectiveness, decided to set up an arms raid on Hampton's Chicago apartment. FBI informant William O'Neal provided them with detailed information about Hampton's apartment, including the layout of furniture and the bed in which Hampton and his girlfriend slept. An augmented, 14-man team of the SAO—Special Prosecutions Unit—was organized for a pre-dawn raid armed with a warrant for illegal weapons.[5][6]

On the evening of December 3, Hampton taught a political education course at a local church, which was attended by most members. Afterwards, as was typical, several Panthers went to the Monroe Street apartment to spend the night, including Hampton and Deborah Johnson, Blair Anderson, Ronald "Doc" Satchell, Harold Bell, Verlina Brewer, Louis Truelock, Brenda Harris, and Mark Clark. Upon arrival, they were met by O'Neal, who had prepared a late dinner, which the group ate around midnight. O'Neal had slipped the barbiturate sleep agent, secobarbitol, into a drink that Hampton consumed during the dinner, in order to sedate Hampton so he would not awaken during the subsequent raid. O'Neal left at this point, and, at about 1:30 a.m., December 4, Hampton fell asleep mid-sentence talking to his mother on the telephone.[16][17][18][19] Although Hampton was not known to take drugs, Cook County chemist Eleanor Berman would report that she ran two separate tests which each showed evidence of barbiturates in Hampton's blood. An FBI chemist would later fail to find similar traces, but Berman stood by her findings.[20]


The body of Fred Hampton, after being shot twice in the head at point blank range by members of the Chicago Police Department.
The raid was organized by the office of Cook County State's Attorney Edward Hanrahan, using officers attached to his office.[21] Hanrahan had recently been the subject of a large amount of public criticism by Hampton, who had made speeches about how Hanrahan's talk about a "war on gangs" was really rhetoric used to enable him to carry out a "war on black youth".[22] At 4:00 a.m., the heavily armed police team arrived at the site, divided into two teams, eight for the front of the building and six for the rear. At 4:45 a.m., they stormed into the apartment. Mark Clark, sitting in the front room of the apartment with a shotgun in his lap, was on security duty. He was shot in the chest and died instantly.[23]

A single round was fired from his gun, caused by a reflexive death-convulsion after the raiding team shot him; this was the only shot the Panthers fired.[6][24][25] Automatic gunfire then converged at the head of the south bedroom where Hampton slept, unable to awaken as a result of the barbiturates the FBI infiltrator had slipped into his drink. He was lying on a mattress in the bedroom with his fiancée, who was nine months pregnant with their child.[23] Two officers found him wounded in the shoulder, and fellow Black Panther Harold Bell reported that he heard the following exchange:

"That's Fred Hampton."
"Is he dead?... Bring him out."
"He's barely alive.
"He'll make it."
Two shots were heard, which were later found to have been fired point blank at Hampton's head. According to Johnson, one officer then said:

"He's good and dead now."[26]
Hampton's body was dragged into the doorway of the bedroom and left in a pool of blood. The officers then directed their gunfire towards the remaining Panthers, who had been sleeping in the north bedroom (Satchel, Anderson, and Brewer).[23] Verlina Brewer, Ronald "Doc" Satchel, Blair Anderson, and Brenda Harris were seriously wounded,[23] then beaten and dragged into the street, where they were arrested on charges of aggravated assault and the attempted murder of the officers. They were each held on US$100,000 bail.[27]

Hampton's fiancée, Deborah Johnson, was sleeping next to him when the police raid began. She was forcibly removed from the room by the police officers while Hampton lay unconscious in bed. In the early 1990s, Johnson was interviewed about the raid by Jose Cha Cha Jimenez, former president and co-founder of the Young Lords Organization, which had developed close ties to Fred Hampton and the Chicago Black Panther Party during the late 1960s. She recollected:

I believe Fred Hampton was drugged. The reason why is because when he woke up when the person [Truelock] said, "Chairman, chairman," he was shaking Fred's arm, you know, Fred's arm was folded across the head of the bed. And Fred—he just raised his head up real slow. It was like watching a slow motion. He raised. His eyes were open. He raised his head up real slow, you know, with his eyes toward the entranceway, toward the bedroom and laid his head back down. That was the only movement he made [...][28]
The seven Panthers who survived the raid were indicted by a grand jury on charges of attempted murder, armed violence, and various other weapons charges. These charges were subsequently dropped. During the trial, the Chicago Police Department claimed that the Panthers were the first to fire shots; however, a later investigation found that the Chicago police fired between ninety and ninety-nine shots while the Panthers had only shot once.[29]

After the raid, the apartment was left unguarded, which allowed the Panthers to send some members to investigate. They were accompanied by a videographer and the footage was later released in the 1971 documentary The Murder of Fred Hampton. After a break-in at an FBI office in Pennsylvania, the existence of COINTELPRO, an illegal counter-intelligence program, was brought to light. The awareness of this program caused many to suspect that the police raid and the shooting of Fred Hampton were parts of the program's initiative. One of the documents that were released after the break-in was a floor plan of Hampton's apartment. Another document outlined a deal the FBI brokered with the deputy attorney general to conceal the FBI's role in the assassination of Hampton and the existence of COINTELPRO.[29]

The FBI had Fred Hampton drugged and had the Chicago PD kill him on a pretext. If you seriously believe otherwise I have some beachfront property to sell you. I have books and stuff that references it and goes into considerably more detail than the article which contains a few inconsistencies from what I remember, but you're buying those yourself.

Don't get pissy because you were asked to prove your claim. You've been here long enough to know how things work.

And yes, that sounds like an assassination.

[Des-Bal]

Calling me delusional is not an argument.

I don't think you're delusional, I just think you'd just be surprised by how much you like pissing on people. That probably insane since you trimmed my quote earlier.

[Ors Might]

The issue is new content creators and those with less influence rather than those already established.



The Nazis wanted to protect people from a group just like the Nazis (But targeting their people) too. That's the entire rationale behind the paradox of tolerance as Carl Schmidt, Nazi Philosopher, expresses it in the friend-enemy distinction.

The strike first aspect is the key part that you're not acknowledging.

It's line for line the same argument.

Liberal society cannot stand up to an intolerant group with high in group bias. Therefore we have to do it first, or we'll be their victims.

You're here waffling about how liberal society cannot stand up to an intolerant ideology, so we have to be intolerant first.

What exactly is the difference you're pretending exists?

I don't know, man, maybe there is no difference between being a Nazi and opposing Nazis. Maybe those things are morally equivalent.

You've given me a lot to think about. *big sip of soy*

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If free speech is capable of directly infringing upon rights, elaborate on what rights those are.

You haven’t demonstrated what rights are being violated.

You're a smart lad, I'm sure you think think of a situation in which allowing certain kinds of speech could cause other people harm. There's the ever popular crowded theatre example I'm sure you're familiar with. Or maybe consider that defamation is a concept that exists.

I’m not sure how that’s relevant to your ability to simultaneously support people having opinions and oppose those opinions becoming policy.

Well do you think that it's okay for pro-lifers to stop people from having abortions by using their right to free speech? You know, yelling at them, calling them murderers and baby killers, threatening to take their picture and spread it around so everyone knows they had an abortion.

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Yes, we should allow some level of indirect harm, given that everything is capable of indirect harm, and if we attempted to ban everything that caused indirect harm, we'd be in a self-contradictory totalitarian nightmare world.

Ah, so you think that we can't have any restrictions on speech because if we did we'd logically have to ban everything.

You know there are already restrictions speech, yeah?

Harm doesn’t equate to rights being infringed upon, though. And if I’m not mistaken, wasn’t that theatre example invalidated some odd years back? Can’t rightly recall.

Calling someone a baby killer doesn’t infringe on their rights. It’s a shitty thing that you shouldn’t do. I’m still not seeing how this relates to tolerating different viewpoints.

Can’t we just come together and shit upon Youtube crappy algorithms and general demonetization policies?

What do you think the leftist and LGBT sides of Youtube have been doing for the past couple years?

Not coming together with everyone else to collectivelt shit upon Youtube. I’m not trying to make a point here.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Harm doesn’t equate to rights being infringed upon, though. And if I’m not mistaken, wasn’t that theatre example invalidated some odd years back? Can’t rightly recall.

In the 1960's, yes. You can yell fire in a theater, you're a huge dick for doing it, but you can.

[Nilrahrarfan]

I remember when free speech was a left-wing issue, that was so nice, what happened?

It is. But leftists generally understand that some speech effectively silences other people, and so that speech must be restricted to uphold the rights of those people it would silence.

Free speech is a thing that cannot be taken from ANYONE, but if we must take it from SOMEONE, the SJW speech goes away first. That will help everyone in the long run.

[Necroghastia]

It is. But leftists generally understand that some speech effectively silences other people, and so that speech must be restricted to uphold the rights of those people it would silence.

Free speech is a thing that cannot be taken from ANYONE, but if we must take it from SOMEONE, the SJW speech goes away first. That will help everyone in the long run.

Source?

[Nilrahrarfan]

That's just fascism.

And prancing through the various subdirectories like a pretty pony princess won't change it even a bit.

Even though I don't like ponies, I prefer Worms.
(This is a shameless plug for my Worms Armageddon playing, as well as a mild roast of bronies.)

[Nilrahrarfan]

Free speech is a thing that cannot be taken from ANYONE, but if we must take it from SOMEONE, the SJW speech goes away first. That will help everyone in the long run.

Source?

I feel like the sources to SJWs are mostly other SJWs making things up, and that one-word response you gave me would me my response to the "there are 9001 genders" thing.

[Cekoviu]

And prancing through the various subdirectories like a pretty pony princess won't change it even a bit.

Even though I don't like ponies, I prefer Worms.
(This is a shameless plug for my Worms Armageddon playing, as well as a mild roast of bronies.)

If you have to explicitly tell people what you're insulting, you're doing it horribly wrong.

[Cekoviu]

Source?

I feel like the sources to SJWs are mostly other SJWs making things up, and that one-word response you gave me would me my response to the "there are 9001 genders" thing.

Which nobody has ever said unironically in the history of the multiverse.

[Gormwood]

Where in this argument did I advocate for assault?

Alright, in which case we're back to it normalizing tyranny as it's a practice that always favors those with power to exclude and censor.

Try watching The Handmaid's Tale. Might relax you some.