YouTube drops mask, Mass Demonetizes right wing content

[Karevka]

If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.

HBomber guy gets my vote. He's more often dishonest and more of an irritating little shit.

How is HBomber guy "dishonest"? He cites his sources and provides evidence. You also can't vote to ban someone because their "irritating" which sounds extremely petty.

[Ostroeuropa]

HBomber guy gets my vote. He's more often dishonest and more of an irritating little shit.

How is HBomber guy "dishonest"? He cites his sources and provides evidence. You also can't vote to ban someone because their "irritating" which sounds extremely petty.

He misrepresents the people he is criticizing.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Excellent, Ostro's finally ousted himself as a right-winger. (see bolded)

Depends on the context really. Broadly I identify as left wing.

Look inside yourself Ostro and you will see that you too are third position.

Are we differentiating between "banned" and "deleting YouTube channels"? Those are different things but I assume it's the latter because I don't think YouTube has kicked very many people off their platform forever.

I actually don't know the answer to this one tbh, I'm just using the language as I saw it. Channels were deleted for sure, and I know Varg (ThuleanPerspective, a very meme worthy character btw) came back to YouTube with a new channel but it got deleted within the day, so I'm assuming ban is an accurate term here.

Algorithms are a necessary evil for large social media sites, and YouTube doesn't seem to have a very efficient corporate bureaucracy.

Understatement of the year lol

[Karevka]

How is HBomber guy "dishonest"? He cites his sources and provides evidence. You also can't vote to ban someone because their "irritating" which sounds extremely petty.

He misrepresents the people he is criticizing.

Really? Because the people he's criticizing are extremely hard to "misrepresent" because they say things and do things that clearly say otherwise.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

He misrepresents the people he is criticizing.

Really? Because the people he's criticizing are extremely hard to "misrepresent" because they say things and do things that clearly say otherwise.

Are you saying it's for Hbomberguy to successfully misrepresent his targets because he has the targets playing in his videos? If so, you's be correct, he doesn't successfully misrepresent them, it's transparenrly obvious.

[Cekoviu]

Bellingham, WA?

Yeah, I used to live there. I moved to be closer to work because the commute times were awful.

My aunt lives there, though I haven't been (because she's kind of a dick). Have been to other parts, though, and it seems like commute times in western Washington are just awful in general.

[Karevka]

Really? Because the people he's criticizing are extremely hard to "misrepresent" because they say things and do things that clearly say otherwise.

Are you saying it's for Hbomberguy to successfully misrepresent his targets because he has the targets playing in his videos? If so, you's be correct, he doesn't successfully misrepresent them, it's transparenrly obvious.

I'm not trying to be a asshole but could clarify a bit more? I don't no what your asking.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah, I used to live there. I moved to be closer to work because the commute times were awful.

My aunt lives there, though I haven't been (because she's kind of a dick). Have been to other parts, though, and it seems like commute times in western Washington are just awful in general.

I5 is pretty much hell on earth tbh. The best part about living out in the woods nowadays is not having to get on it regularly.

[Liriena]

Where in this argument did I advocate for assault?

Alright, in which case we're back to it normalizing tyranny as it's a practice that always favors those with power to exclude and censor.

What tyranny?

Also, you've literally for "purging" feminists from academia and public institutions, so I'd figure "normalizing tyranny" would be fine by you... unless you're very target-specific about it.

[Liriena]

You think radicalization is a binary rather than a gradient? Just going straight from peaceful moderate to murderous extremist, with no in-between?

I'm saying you can't blame people for violence that they have specifically condemned.

The issue isn't blame. It's identifying and understanding the chain of causation that leads to terrorism, not for the purposes of personally blaming the people at the bottom of the stochastic terrorism pyramid, but for the purposes of having a better idea of how to know where radicalization starts and reflect on how to best manage ourselves to avoid it.

Boy, I'm glad you aren't the one writing up speech laws. No one would be able to say anything for fear of being held liable for "radicalizing".

Did you miss the part where I explicitly rejected the idea of "outlawing" stuff?

[Napkizemlja]

If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.

Aye, she's emblematic of having terrible taste in everything.

Accurate, her fashion sensibilities are trash.

[Cekoviu]

My aunt lives there, though I haven't been (because she's kind of a dick). Have been to other parts, though, and it seems like commute times in western Washington are just awful in general.

I5 is pretty much hell on earth tbh. The best part about living out in the woods nowadays is not having to get on it regularly.

And according to my relatives who live in/around Seattle, the public transport there isn't any better than the roads. Although I love Seattle and WA, it is definitely nice to not have that issue in Mormonland.

Alright, in which case we're back to it normalizing tyranny as it's a practice that always favors those with power to exclude and censor.

What tyranny?

Also, you've literally for "purging" feminists from academia and public institutions, so I'd figure "normalizing tyranny" would be fine by you... unless you're very target-specific about it.

I think you know the answer to that, though. It's Ostro, after all.

[Liriena]

If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.

Your cancerous post has convinced me that we need to oppress gamers.

[Napkizemlja]

If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.

Your cancerous post has convinced me that we need to oppress gamers.

I'm not really a gamer.

[Liriena]

HBomber guy gets my vote. He's more often dishonest and more of an irritating little shit.

Excellent, Ostro's finally ousted himself as a right-winger. (see bolded)

Another happy landing.

[Liriena]

I don't stalk this thread.

Well I'll post it again for convenience.

Banned:

YouKipper
The Great Order
ThuleanPerspective
CulturedThug
Xurious
Mr Allsop History
Patrick Slattery
FascistBallIV

Demonetized:

Martin Sellner
James Allsup
Steven Crowder
Red Ice TV
SinatraSays
Jesse Lee Peterson
Iconoclast
Tailed Feature
Ford Fischer
Dan Dicks
Revenge Of The Cis
Sandman
The Red Elephants
Know More News
Andy Warski
Deep Fat Fried Podcast

A whole bunch more reported random videos being deleted, and this was only people who self reported these things on places like Twitter or other social media so a whole bunch of smaller creators and channels could have gotten the axe without nobody knowing.

tl;dr is the algorithm was kicked into overdrive and as usual YouTube just made the situation so much worse.

The fact that history channels got deleted but James Allsup just got demonetized says everything.

[Liriena]

Your cancerous post has convinced me that we need to oppress gamers.

I'm not really a gamer.

Everyone I disagree with is a gamer. Specially gamers.

[Proctopeo]

I'm saying you can't blame people for violence that they have specifically condemned.

The issue isn't blame. It's identifying and understanding the chain of causation that leads to terrorism, not for the purposes of personally blaming the people at the bottom of the stochastic terrorism pyramid, but for the purposes of having a better idea of how to know where radicalization starts and reflect on how to best manage ourselves to avoid it.

"Stochastic terrorism" is a fucking stupid term all things considered tbh

[Cekoviu]

I'm not really a gamer.

Everyone I disagree with is a gamer. Specially gamers.

What about gamers that you agree with?

[Liriena]

Everyone I disagree with is a gamer. Specially gamers.

What about gamers that you agree with?

They have 48 hours to become tabletop nerds.

[Cekoviu]

The issue isn't blame. It's identifying and understanding the chain of causation that leads to terrorism, not for the purposes of personally blaming the people at the bottom of the stochastic terrorism pyramid, but for the purposes of having a better idea of how to know where radicalization starts and reflect on how to best manage ourselves to avoid it.

"Stochastic terrorism" is a fucking stupid term all things considered tbh

Any actual feedback on his post or are you just going to blithely browse through this thread looking for snarky semantic criticisms to make?

[Napkizemlja]

I mean I play tabletop RPG's so.

Cyberpunk gang gang gang

[First American Empire]

My aunt lives there, though I haven't been (because she's kind of a dick). Have been to other parts, though, and it seems like commute times in western Washington are just awful in general.

I5 is pretty much hell on earth tbh. The best part about living out in the woods nowadays is not having to get on it regularly.

If you think it's hell already, try commuting through the Canadian border checkpoint. Commute times used to take me an hour. At best. It was usually even worse.

Where do you live, by the way?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I5 is pretty much hell on earth tbh. The best part about living out in the woods nowadays is not having to get on it regularly.

If you think it's hell already, try commuting through the Canadian border checkpoint. Commute times used to take me an hour. At best. It was usually even worse.

Where do you live, by the way?

About 20-30 minutes outside Lacey nowadays. Rural Thurston county is great.

[Liriena]

The issue isn't blame. It's identifying and understanding the chain of causation that leads to terrorism, not for the purposes of personally blaming the people at the bottom of the stochastic terrorism pyramid, but for the purposes of having a better idea of how to know where radicalization starts and reflect on how to best manage ourselves to avoid it.

"Stochastic terrorism" is a fucking stupid term all things considered tbh

Be that as it may, it's nevertheless true that speech that might seem harmless and consequence-free on its own can often be the first in a long chain towards extremism. The issue is not whether that original speech is literally Hitler and must be gulaged.

The "alt-right" has at times bragged about using "classical liberals" and "centrists" as gateways into their movement. And while there is always a certain degree of manipulative dishonesty in all far right discourse, they're not entirely wrong there. A lot of "classical liberal" figures online have the problem of not being particularly good at thinking critically and challenging the arguments of radical right-wingers who happen to share their anti-progressivism.