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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:39 am

If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:39 am

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Scomagia wrote:I'm saying you can't blame people for violence that they have specifically condemned.

Boy, I'm glad you aren't the one writing up speech laws. No one would be able to say anything for fear of being held liable for "radicalizing".

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:39 am

Napkizemlja wrote:If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.


Aye.
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Bellingham, WA?


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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:40 am

Napkizemlja wrote:If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:40 am

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I thought you were in support of the deplatforming on the basis he spreads fear, if you weren't, then that's my mistake.

No, I was just telling Scomagia why I think Ben Shapiro helps to spread fear of Muslims, but I never said he should be banned. Then again, I just joined this part of the conversation so I'm assuming someone else said so?


Yeah, sorry. We're discussing deplatforming and some kinds of speech not being tolerated.

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So censor feminists and ban them too then? They do the same thing.

Or anybody with any ideas, really. Just shut it all down since it could lead to fear, which could lead to radicalization, which could lead to violence.

Ball gags for everyone.


It's a totalitarian movement, yes, even if its adherents haven't cottoned on to that fact yet. Because it seeks to put all interactions and all speech and all ideas subject to its control and so on while making anything outside it unacceptable, until the totality of society is governed by the ideology. Until that is done they will never be satisfied.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:40 am

Napkizemlja wrote:If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned


Nobody was banned.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:41 am

Napkizemlja wrote:If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:41 am

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Napkizemlja wrote:If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned


Nobody was banned.


A whole bunch of people have been, I posted a list of people who reported their channels being axed the other day.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:41 am

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Nobody was banned.


A whole bunch of people have been, I posted a list of people who reported their channels being axed the other day/


I don't stalk this thread.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:41 am

Napkizemlja wrote:If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.


HBomber guy gets my vote. He's more often dishonest and more of an irritating little shit.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:42 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Jolthig wrote:No, I was just telling Scomagia why I think Ben Shapiro helps to spread fear of Muslims, but I never said he should be banned. Then again, I just joined this part of the conversation so I'm assuming someone else said so?


Yeah, sorry. We're discussing deplatforming and some kinds of speech not being tolerated.

Scomagia wrote:Or anybody with any ideas, really. Just shut it all down since it could lead to fear, which could lead to radicalization, which could lead to violence.

Ball gags for everyone.


It's a totalitarian movement, yes, even if its adherents haven't cottoned on to that fact yet. Because it seeks to put all interactions and all speech and all ideas subject to its control and so on while making anything outside it unacceptable, until the totality of society is governed by the ideology. Until that is done they will never be satisfied.

Right. Like I said some social media corporations want their reputations to be saved so that's why they ban certain groups of people.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:42 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.


HBomber guy gets my vote. He's more often dishonest and more of an irritating little shit.


Excellent, Ostro's finally ousted himself as a right-winger. (see bolded)
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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:43 am

4 votes for Contra Points, 1 for HBomber Guy. Once the voting is done we can start a change.org petition on whomever the sacrifice is.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:45 am

Valrifell wrote:
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A whole bunch of people have been, I posted a list of people who reported their channels being axed the other day/


I don't stalk this thread.


Well I'll post it again for convenience.

Banned:

YouKipper
The Great Order
ThuleanPerspective
CulturedThug
Xurious
Mr Allsop History
Patrick Slattery
FascistBallIV

Demonetized:

Martin Sellner
James Allsup
Steven Crowder
Red Ice TV
SinatraSays
Jesse Lee Peterson
Iconoclast
Tailed Feature
Ford Fischer
Dan Dicks
Revenge Of The Cis
Sandman
The Red Elephants
Know More News
Andy Warski
Deep Fat Fried Podcast

A whole bunch more reported random videos being deleted, and this was only people who self reported these things on places like Twitter or other social media so a whole bunch of smaller creators and channels could have gotten the axe without nobody knowing.

tl;dr is the algorithm was kicked into overdrive and as usual YouTube just made the situation so much worse.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:46 am

Youtube demonetized left wingers too.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:46 am

Varg got digimerked? Fucking lmao.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:47 am

The South Falls wrote:Youtube demonetized left wingers too.

We're looking for a ban here though.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:47 am

Valrifell wrote:
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HBomber guy gets my vote. He's more often dishonest and more of an irritating little shit.


Excellent, Ostro's finally ousted himself as a right-winger. (see bolded)


Depends on the context really. Broadly I identify as left wing.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't stalk this thread.


Well I'll post it again for convenience.

Banned:

YouKipper
The Great Order
ThuleanPerspective
CulturedThug
Xurious
Mr Allsop History
Patrick Slattery
FascistBallIV

Demonetized:

Martin Sellner
James Allsup
Steven Crowder
Red Ice TV
SinatraSays
Jesse Lee Peterson
Iconoclast
Tailed Feature
Ford Fischer
Dan Dicks
Revenge Of The Cis
Sandman
The Red Elephants
Know More News
Andy Warski
Deep Fat Fried Podcast

A whole bunch more reported random videos being deleted, and this was only people who self reported these things on places like Twitter or other social media so a whole bunch of smaller creators and channels could have gotten the axe without nobody knowing.

tl;dr is the algorithm was kicked into overdrive and as usual YouTube just made the situation so much worse.


Are we differentiating between "banned" and "deleting YouTube channels"? Those are different things but I assume it's the latter because I don't think YouTube has kicked very many people off their platform forever.

Algorithms are a necessary evil for large social media sites, and YouTube doesn't seem to have a very efficient corporate bureaucracy.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:48 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Youtube demonetized left wingers too.

We're looking for a ban here though.


Banned or had a channel deleted. These mean different things.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:49 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:If we allow a prominent right-winger to be banned, can we ban a prominent left-wing one? A one for one trade, we can slap a fair trade sticker on it.

I vote for Contra Points. All RW's who agree post "Aye".

Aye.


HBomber guy gets my vote. He's more often dishonest and more of an irritating little shit.

When was Hbomberguu dishonest? At times he can be very etrawmanny, but when has he directly been dishonest?
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:49 am

Valrifell wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:We're looking for a ban here though.


Banned or had a channel deleted. These mean different things.

That is legitimately just splitting hairs.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:49 am

Valrifell wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:We're looking for a ban here though.


Banned or had a channel deleted. These mean different things.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:49 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
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HBomber guy gets my vote. He's more often dishonest and more of an irritating little shit.

When was Hbomberguu dishonest? At times he can be very etrawmanny, but when has he directly been dishonest?


That is being dishonest. ContraPoints at tends to discuss ideas rather than individuals and misrepresent them.
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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