YouTube drops mask, Mass Demonetizes right wing content

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Rational debate was useless, we'd all be Nazis right now.

Look at how many people are still climate change deniers or anti-vaxxers.

I reckon the majority of people right now accept that climate change exists. When was the last time you saw an actual anti-vaxxer rather than someone dunking on anti-vaxxers?

[Des-Bal]

Look at how many people are still climate change deniers or anti-vaxxers.

If we lined them up and shot them there'd be less.

[Ostroeuropa]

Rational debate was useless, we'd all be Nazis right now.

Look at how many people are still climate change deniers or anti-vaxxers.

Indeed, look at how many people are still feminists.

But that's the point isn't it.

You don't see me literally supporting Anti-Fem where I and a bunch of mates go around assaulting any feminist who turns up in town, do you. Your position is either an invitation to tyranny or to chaos.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And what's the significance of that difference?

"Oh, you see Scrotum McNazishit honestly believes in organizing to kill all Jews. It's an idea he sincerely holds in his heart. So we can't do anything, really. Because ideas are precious little gemstones that we must protecc at all cost, regardless of what the specific ideas are. I see no potential for this blowing up in our collective faces and... what do you mean someone shot up a mosque because they watched a ton of Ben Shapiro again???"

Pretending naziism spreads because nazi ideas are just so convincing is a convenient way for liberals and progressives to ignore their own role in it. People are already turned far-right before they find other far-righters to congregate with.

They use this crap to ignore their role and seize more power to censor criticism and opposition to their bullshit, pushing yet more people to the far-right.

100% this, I've been seeing it more and more online lately and it's mind boggling.

Shit just the other day I saw some dumbass blue checkmark on Twitter celebrating how Texas is gonna be blue in a decade or two solely because of demographic change while saying the same thing happened in CA. Stuff like that is such an absurdly huge propaganda win for the far-right, they don't even need to really put a spin on it at that point. It can just be "hey look at this, liberals want to replace you with third world voters to push their agenda".

[Scomagia]

Ah, yes, the ol "media made me do it" argument.

"Media made me do it" is nonsense. But "media helped radicalize me" isn't.

It is nonsense when the so called radicalizing media speaks in opposition to violence.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Look at how many people are still climate change deniers or anti-vaxxers.

If we lined them up and shot them there'd be less.

Okay, calm down.

[Liriena]

He may not outright incite people directly, but he does spread fear of Muslims with their apparent views on jihad.

Not...really. He's definitely outspoken against Jihadis but I don't think he's equated all Muslims with Jihadis.

He's pushed the idea that the vast majority of Muslims are dangerous radical extremists and a danger to "Western civilization". He's gone out of his way to minimize the existence of moderate and even liberal Islam. And that's without getting into his blatant racism towards Arabs.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not...really. He's definitely outspoken against Jihadis but I don't think he's equated all Muslims with Jihadis.

He's pushed the idea that the vast majority of Muslims are dangerous radical extremists and a danger to "Western civilization". He's gone out of his way to minimize the existence of moderate and even liberal Islam. And that's without getting into his blatant racism towards Arabs.

Islam is inherently incompatible with western civilization tbh, and polling from around the world does lend credence to the idea that most Muslims could easily be considered extremists.

[Liriena]

"Media made me do it" is nonsense. But "media helped radicalize me" isn't.

It is nonsense when the so called radicalizing media speaks in opposition to violence.

You think radicalization is a binary rather than a gradient? Just going straight from peaceful moderate to murderous extremist, with no in-between?

[Ostroeuropa]

Pretending naziism spreads because nazi ideas are just so convincing is a convenient way for liberals and progressives to ignore their own role in it. People are already turned far-right before they find other far-righters to congregate with.

They use this crap to ignore their role and seize more power to censor criticism and opposition to their bullshit, pushing yet more people to the far-right.

100% this, I've been seeing it more and more online lately and it's mind boggling.

Shit just the other day I saw some dumbass blue checkmark on Twitter celebrating how Texas is gonna be blue in a decade or two solely because of demographic change while saying the same thing happened in CA. Stuff like that is such an absurdly huge propaganda win for the far-right, they don't even need to really put a spin on it at that point. It can just be "hey look at this, liberals want to replace you with third world voters to push their agenda".

Pretty much. Like that onion video satirizing feminists. All you need to parody them is to have an ordinary person who isn't some kind of weirdo say the things they say and quote their books as though they are profound and pretend to believe them. That's it.

That's the joke.

And it was hilarious.

Nobody is recruiting for the far-rigth better than the left wing at this stage. Multiculturalism, feminism, all that crap, it's just driving people away. It's like the cult of scientology took over institutions and was open about what they believed, but without a hint of self-awareness. Just dismissing people as "Negative personalities" if they question them and chugging kool aid all day long.

You don't need to censor opposition to that in order to make people realize "Wow, you guys are fuckin' nuts."

[Des-Bal]

Okay, calm down.

I'm utterly calm. The point is that I think we can all agree lining and shooting climate change deniers would be less than cool and would not be justified by the opportunity to stamp out incorrect ideas. The only thing we can possibly be disagreeing on then is how cool it is to piss on free speech and I personally say "not very."

[Jolthig]

He may not outright incite people directly, but he does spread fear of Muslims with their apparent views on jihad.

Not...really. He's definitely outspoken against Jihadis but I don't think he's equated all Muslims with Jihadis.

Even so, if we set the bar at "indirectly incites violence by making people afraid, despite never calling for and actively speaking against violence", you can shut just about anybody up.

Well, of course he won't do it directly, but being on the whole train regarding fear of certain Muslims as he has done in a video of his supposedly based on Pew Research, he discusses numbers of Muslims supporting jihad in certain countries of Europe. Though, what he didn't mention is that most aren't jihadis. If that's not confirmation bias, then idk what else to say.

Sure he may not call for violence, but he does help to spread fear. As does Fox News, and many pro-Republican outlets.

[Liriena]

Look at how many people are still climate change deniers or anti-vaxxers.

Indeed, look at how many people are still feminists.

But that's the point isn't it.

You don't see me literally supporting Anti-Fem where I and a bunch of mates go around assaulting any feminist who turns up in town, do you. Your position is either an invitation to tyranny or to chaos.

Where in this argument did I advocate for assault?

[Scomagia]

Not...really. He's definitely outspoken against Jihadis but I don't think he's equated all Muslims with Jihadis.

He's pushed the idea that the vast majority of Muslims are dangerous radical extremists and a danger to "Western civilization". He's gone out of his way to minimize the existence of moderate and even liberal Islam. And that's without getting into his blatant racism towards Arabs.

Even accepting that that's true, which i will for the sake of not beating my head against a wall, that's a long way from radicalizing anybody into violence considering he, you know, actively denounces violence.

[Proctopeo]

It is. But leftists generally understand that some speech effectively silences other people, and so that speech must be restricted to uphold the rights of those people it would silence.

That's a very convenient rationalization there.

Yeah, I don't see how someone being offensive on a corner of the Internet will make someone else on another corner of the Internet silenced.
Crowder calling Maza a gay Mexican sure as shit didn't silence him, did it?

The paradox of tolerance is complete bullshit, in all honesty. It makes the assumption that because we tolerate people having beliefs, we must therefore allow them to put their beliefs into action. Supporting one’s right to say it inevitably leads to supporting their right to do it.

So pro-choicers, how has tolerating pro-life opinions impacted your ability to oppose pro-life policies?

Basically, yeah, the "paradox of tolerance" is just a cheap cop-out to justify censorship while trying to pretend that it's not censorship.

[Ostroeuropa]

Indeed, look at how many people are still feminists.

But that's the point isn't it.

You don't see me literally supporting Anti-Fem where I and a bunch of mates go around assaulting any feminist who turns up in town, do you. Your position is either an invitation to tyranny or to chaos.

Where in this argument did I advocate for assault?

Alright, in which case we're back to it normalizing tyranny as it's a practice that always favors those with power to exclude and censor.

[Scomagia]

It is nonsense when the so called radicalizing media speaks in opposition to violence.

You think radicalization is a binary rather than a gradient? Just going straight from peaceful moderate to murderous extremist, with no in-between?

I'm saying you can't blame people for violence that they have specifically condemned.

Boy, I'm glad you aren't the one writing up speech laws. No one would be able to say anything for fear of being held liable for "radicalizing".

[Ostroeuropa]

Not...really. He's definitely outspoken against Jihadis but I don't think he's equated all Muslims with Jihadis.

Even so, if we set the bar at "indirectly incites violence by making people afraid, despite never calling for and actively speaking against violence", you can shut just about anybody up.

Well, of course he won't do it directly, but being on the whole train regarding fear of certain Muslims as he has done in a video of his supposedly based on Pew Research, he discusses numbers of Muslims supporting jihad in certain countries of Europe. Though, what he didn't mention is that most aren't jihadis. If that's not confirmation bias, then idk what else to say.

Sure he may not call for violence, but he does help to spread fear. As does Fox News, and many pro-Republican outlets.

So censor feminists and ban them too then? They do the same thing.

[Cekoviu]

Hot take: freedom doesn't exist as an easily-classifiable binary and attempting to construct a dichotomy of "free" or "not free" speech is a spook to distract from real political issues that actually affect human beings.

[Jolthig]

Well, of course he won't do it directly, but being on the whole train regarding fear of certain Muslims as he has done in a video of his supposedly based on Pew Research, he discusses numbers of Muslims supporting jihad in certain countries of Europe. Though, what he didn't mention is that most aren't jihadis. If that's not confirmation bias, then idk what else to say.

Sure he may not call for violence, but he does help to spread fear. As does Fox News, and many pro-Republican outlets.

So censor feminists and ban them too then?

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Did I say that or did you completely misunderstand my post?

[Des-Bal]

You think radicalization is a binary rather than a gradient? Just going straight from peaceful moderate to murderous extremist, with no in-between?

Nope, that's why you should deplatform anyone speaking positively about islam because it's a stepping stone for lone wolf attackers. Tumblr MAP supporters use the same rhetoric and phrases to support acceptance of homosexuals as they do to support acceptance of child rapists, anyone denying homosexuality is evil shall henceforth be deplatformed.

You see the gimmick? You're not treading new ground it's just your first time wearing the jackboots.

[Cekoviu]

You think radicalization is a binary rather than a gradient? Just going straight from peaceful moderate to murderous extremist, with no in-between?

I'm saying you can't blame people for violence that they have specifically condemned.

Boy, I'm glad you aren't the one writing up speech laws. No one would be able to say anything for fear of being held liable for "radicalizing".

...Build pathetic strawmen of your opposition...

[Ostroeuropa]

So censor feminists and ban them too then?

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Did I say that or did you completely misunderstand my post?

I thought you were in support of the deplatforming on the basis he spreads fear, if you weren't, then that's my mistake.

[Jolthig]

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Did I say that or did you completely misunderstand my post?

I thought you were in support of the deplatforming on the basis he spreads fear, if you weren't, then that's my mistake.

No, I was just telling Scomagia why I think Ben Shapiro helps to spread fear of Muslims, but I never said he should be banned. Then again, I just joined this part of the conversation so I'm assuming someone else said so?

[Scomagia]

Well, of course he won't do it directly, but being on the whole train regarding fear of certain Muslims as he has done in a video of his supposedly based on Pew Research, he discusses numbers of Muslims supporting jihad in certain countries of Europe. Though, what he didn't mention is that most aren't jihadis. If that's not confirmation bias, then idk what else to say.

Sure he may not call for violence, but he does help to spread fear. As does Fox News, and many pro-Republican outlets.

So censor feminists and ban them too then? They do the same thing.

Or anybody with any ideas, really. Just shut it all down since it could lead to fear, which could lead to radicalization, which could lead to violence.

Ball gags for everyone.