YouTube drops mask, Mass Demonetizes right wing content

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The channel owner had thousands of followers, her channel was incredibly popular and after one particular upload, she fell victim to that algorithm. When asked for explanations, a person who worked for YT and Google pretty much told her they don’t know why this happened. It just was her turn in this lottery. She had to quit that channel and reinvent herself in order to again figure in Google searches and get her new channel popular again. Her content wasn’t flagged as bad. It just happened, and YT/Google can’t explain why that happens.

It is one thing if an end user is violating ToS for Youtube. If that is the case, what did they honestly expect should happen, that they'd get special treatment? It's another if Youtube is hurting your channel for arbitrary or no good reasons. I'd say that is a reason to conclude that Youtube (despite being the biggest name in video) isn't a reliable platform and to start looking elsewhere. Maybe Youtube could eventually no longer be #1 if enough people defect to an alternative and avoid the same decisions that make Youtube no longer as good.

For what I gathered, her channel wasn’t breaking rules. She pinpointed the decline to the upload of one particular video. Right after, viewer engagement and views went down fast. Her subscribers weren’t getting informed of her new uploads (something that happens fairly regularly to many creators, like YT just unsubscribes them from channels) and the channel wouldn’t figure in search engines. At all. She didn’t violate TOS.

What was explained to her in passing, because it is not known (according to them), is that if this flaw in the algorithm hits you, that’s it. They can’t fix it. Your channel will die. Hers did. She had to start a new one. And the only reason she got more info was that she met someone who worked for YT who could analyze what happened with her. If this happens to a content creator who wasn’t as lucky as her to meet someone in the loop, they won’t get much of an explanation either.

[Alvecia]

Screaming racial slurs isn't really misanthropy.

There's a lot of black gamers really racist against black people, because they do what it necessary to destabilize their opponents.

They also hurl slurs against white people, hispanics, jews, and insult John Deere.

But he's racist.

Feel like that's effective for only as long as it takes to find the mute button.

[Galloism]

There's a lot of black gamers really racist against black people, because they do what it necessary to destabilize their opponents.

They also hurl slurs against white people, hispanics, jews, and insult John Deere.

But he's racist.

Feel like that's effective for only as long as it takes to find the mute button.

Strangely that happens less than you would think.

[Tybra]

Part of me finds all this kind of interesting, it makes me wonder how much of these "right wing" channels are genuinely "right wing political" channels or just YT drama alert channels that monetize a particular form of outrage. I guess that's why it blew up, as it risk limiting the channels with which people can agree with and express their outrage on. It's certainly not censorship, just YT refusing to pay for the content produced by these channels.

Part of me tries to just not care. YT should've just done the right thing and suspended Crowder's channel. Now it just all drama "xgatepocolypseboogaloo" of which these channels are probably even profiteering off. Hell it made Sargon relevant somehow. I'm just going to ignore it and focus on relevant things like changing the society structure that actively profiteers of all the outrage which is generated here watching the drama on reruns from Hell's Kitchen.

[Alvecia]

Feel like that's effective for only as long as it takes to find the mute button.

Strangely that happens less than you would think.

Guess we play with different people.

[Karevka]

As probably said by several others, the demonetization is aimed at content promoting Neo-Nazism, White Supremacy and other such ideologies. I see this as a good move because those who spread the mentioned ideologies will no longer have a platform. Among those I am sure will be removed are the Golden One (a Swedish Nazi), David Aurini (a crazy person) and many others. These kinds of people never should've had a platform to preach their despicable views in the first place peddling pseudoscience, racism, sexism and absolute falsehoods.

Except the Golden one isn't a Nazi so you're blatantly proving my point that the bans and demonetizations are banning people ACCUSED of being "Nazis" regardless of what their actual beliefs are.
YouTube's definition of a "Nazi" is Antifas definition which is everyone who's not a Marxist.

I bet you think Jews like Ben Shapiro and Milo are "Nazis" too.

Explain how he isn't a Nazi, because he is one. He uses terms like 'International Jewry' and 'Cultural Marxism' both terms pioneered by the NSDAP. He outright puts National Socialism in his video titles. He says there should be one vote per household and uses the Warhammer tabletop games as a example where "reasonable" arguments work. Not to mention saying he's against objectification but shows off his muscles shirtless. Hell I'll even link you a video where I got these from : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahuj1B0ow4U

[Galloism]

Strangely that happens less than you would think.

Guess we play with different people.

Or different games. Day Z is a little rough.

[Saiwania]

For what I gathered, her channel wasn’t breaking rules. She pinpointed the decline to the upload of one particular video. Right after, viewer engagement and views went down fast. Her subscribers weren’t getting informed of her new uploads (something that happens fairly regularly to many creators, like YT just unsubscribes them from channels) and the channel wouldn’t figure in search engines. At all. She didn’t violate TOS.

That right there is what I find to be crazy. Youtube itself shouldn't be screwing around with end user's settings. What is the rationale for this? This arguably makes it so people can't trust Youtube or will find it unreliable for their purposes. People will defect to a video website that leaves their personal configurations alone.

The end user should decide if they want to be subscribed to a channel or not. (except if the channel gets deleted of course). Even if a channel doesn't get advertised, it usually can still be found via word of mouth or someone else having found it and linking to it.

As probably said by several others, the demonetization is aimed at content promoting Neo-Nazism, White Supremacy and other such ideologies. I see this as a good move because those who spread the mentioned ideologies will no longer have a platform. Among those I am sure will be removed are the Golden One (a Swedish Nazi), David Aurini (a crazy person) and many others. These kinds of people never should've had a platform to preach their despicable views in the first place peddling pseudoscience, racism, sexism and absolute falsehoods.

They'll just move to another platform that is "on their side" but is arguably less visable or mainstream. Stormfront for example, has managed to stay alive. At least some people are always going to be willing to participate in their donation drives.

If a neo-Nazism channel on Youtube is done in such a way as to not violate its ToS and the content itself isn't illegal, they have a right to be there whether Google likes it or not. Unless they want to go out of their way to remove them of course. For every major channel that gets taken down, two tends to fill any vacuum present.

[The Two Jerseys]

And a whole bunch more reported random videos being deleted. It's my understanding YouTube has started to walk back some of these due to extreme backlash but still. All this over one reporter saying he was being harassed by people from one channel.

Context is important. All because one reporter, at a company laying off people because they can't compete with youtubers claimed he was being harassed and called on youtube to deplatform his companies competitors.

So collusion?

Where's Teddy and his big stick when we need him?

By... Calling John Deere a hillbilly cracker?

Oh it varied, but the general message is it was a shit brand, with shit equipment, bought by stupid inbred rednecks that are susceptible to good advertising.

Which is ironic in a way - I have a John Deere riding lawnmower that's like 15 years old and it runs perfectly and always has.

But it bothered him. So he didn't play as well.

Pfft, only 15 years old?

My dad's Deere mower is over 25 and still going strong!

[Rostavykhan]

-snip-

Wait, Andy Warski got demonetized, but not someone like JF Gariepy? Not that I dislike JF, but his show is a talk show where he frequently brings on Far-Right and Left people and discusses stuff like race relations and ethnostates, while Andy Warski is just some Canadian guy making jokes about being banned from Israel and prank calling SPLC, when he isn't smoking dope and talking about vidya.


Unless JF just isn't on that list.

[Galloism]

So, because I believe the only cure to modern society becoming insane is self-flaggelation, I actually went over to Carlos Maza's twitter.

I'm dying.

Carlos Maza
@gaywonk
4h4 hours ago
More Carlos Maza Retweeted Arthur Schwartz
The irony of this tweet being taken out of context is that I was actually commiserating with a coworker who had been called a “Jew face” by an online troll.

It wont matter. This has already circulated around right wing echo chambers. This is how people who speak out get smeared.

Carlos Maza
@gaywonk
2h2 hours ago
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For the record:

When I said I wanted someone to “murder my bussy” in Spring of 2013, I was not literally condoning the use of murder. I regret my comment and will try to do better moving forward.

Carlos Maza
@gaywonk
2h2 hours ago
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To clarify an earlier tweet that’s been dug up:

I did not literally mean I wanted to wear Celine Dion’s skin as a full body suit.

I abhor the skinning of humans and regret another tasteless joke.

Carlos Maza
@gaywonk
2h2 hours ago
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Oh god more old tweets coming to haunt me:

I sincerely apologize for my August 2000 tweet in which I suggested that I would “murder my entire family” for a chance to meet Final Destination’s Devon Sawa.

It was cruel and vulgar and I shouldn’t have said it or actually tried it.

Carlos Maza

@gaywonk
10m10 minutes ago
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Daily Wire, Breitbart, Federalist, Daily Caller, and The Blaze reporters getting blocked a NANOSECOND after they follow me:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8arCC-WsAARTTg.jpg

[US-SSR]

Good. Suck it, fascists.

[Rostavykhan]

Good. Suck it, fascists.

Lol, LGBT and Left-Wing channels are hit as well.

Also, > Claiming to be anti-Fascist/Leftist while supporting a Capitalist, privately-owned multi-national corporation's crusade to censor and mass-ban others.

[US-SSR]

Good. Suck it, fascists.

Lol, LGBT and Left-Wing channels are hit as well.

Also, > Claiming to be anti-Fascist/Leftist while supporting a Capitalist, privately-owned multi-national corporation's crusade to censor and mass-ban others.

Even a stopped clock can be right twice a day.

[Katganistan]

Dude, it's what YOU wrote.

Yes, and it's clear you didn't understand what was meant.

You still have free speech. You can publish your views on a blog, go on the radio, take an ad in the newspaper, publish your own newsletter, debate people in an internet forum, stand on a soapbox in a park and express your views all you want. Unless you advocate violence you're not getting arrested for it.

Sure, and if you got kicked out of the town square in 1770 and could no longer speak there or put up fliers you could still go do other things right?

My point isn't that anyone is obligated to listen or respect what you say. My point is that I find it deeply concerning how much control we've been happy to lend the private sector over our ideas and methods of speech. Practically every method for spreading your ideas requires some sort of association with a private business nowadays who can pull the plug and silence you for any reason they choose. That's, at least to me, not a desirable set of circumstances and I think we should work to change it either via rather strict legislation regarding what social media companies can and can't do or just outright nationalizing them and making them subject to the 1A both in spirit and in law.

I also find it rather amusing how many liberal sorts are willing to say "well it's the businesses choice!" but would absolutely flip shit if the business didn't want to associate with stuff they support.

I'm laughing my ass off because literally "BUSINESS SHOULDN'T SERVE GAYS OR BLACKS IF THE OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO" is an argument we've had here from right wingers and now they have their knickers in a twist because it's their ox being gored.

[Diarcesia]

Yes, and it's clear you didn't understand what was meant.



Sure, and if you got kicked out of the town square in 1770 and could no longer speak there or put up fliers you could still go do other things right?

My point isn't that anyone is obligated to listen or respect what you say. My point is that I find it deeply concerning how much control we've been happy to lend the private sector over our ideas and methods of speech. Practically every method for spreading your ideas requires some sort of association with a private business nowadays who can pull the plug and silence you for any reason they choose. That's, at least to me, not a desirable set of circumstances and I think we should work to change it either via rather strict legislation regarding what social media companies can and can't do or just outright nationalizing them and making them subject to the 1A both in spirit and in law.

I also find it rather amusing how many liberal sorts are willing to say "well it's the businesses choice!" but would absolutely flip shit if the business didn't want to associate with stuff they support.

I'm laughing my ass off because literally "BUSINESS SHOULDN'T SERVE GAYS OR BLACKS IF THE OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO" is an argument we've had here from right wingers and now they have their knickers in a twist because it's their ox being gored.

Rules for thee. Not for me. Though it's not only the right wingers who does this.

[Liriena]

Today in "this is totally not targeted homophobic harassment spearheaded by bad faith actors whose influence is a net negative for human society", some chud's brilliant idea for owning Maza was falsely accusing him of posting homemade porn on Reddit.

[Liriena]

Whatever criticism I may have of Maza and Youtube, I don't think I'll ever get enough schadenfreude out of watching bigots and their fanboys desperately flailing about online and throwing everything and the kitchen sink at one Vox journalist who tried to get Youtube to enforce its own rules.

[Katganistan]

We are truly in the greatest of all timelines when leftists are supporting the rights of corporations to fuck with their base and rightwingers are calling for nationalization.

2016 broke more things than we realized.

It's more like delicious irony and schadenfreude: enjoying the shoe being on the other foot and how much "THAT'S NOT FAIR!" is being shouted, because instead of OTHER people (that is, rightist-approved targets) being inconvenienced, it's those who argue for discriminating against others who are experiencing it.

[Liriena]

So, because I believe the only cure to modern society becoming insane is self-flaggelation, I actually went over to Carlos Maza's twitter.

I'm dying.

Carlos Maza
@gaywonk
4h4 hours ago
More Carlos Maza Retweeted Arthur Schwartz
The irony of this tweet being taken out of context is that I was actually commiserating with a coworker who had been called a “Jew face” by an online troll.

It wont matter. This has already circulated around right wing echo chambers. This is how people who speak out get smeared.

Carlos Maza
@gaywonk
2h2 hours ago
More
For the record:

When I said I wanted someone to “murder my bussy” in Spring of 2013, I was not literally condoning the use of murder. I regret my comment and will try to do better moving forward.

Carlos Maza
@gaywonk
2h2 hours ago
More
To clarify an earlier tweet that’s been dug up:

I did not literally mean I wanted to wear Celine Dion’s skin as a full body suit.

I abhor the skinning of humans and regret another tasteless joke.

Carlos Maza
@gaywonk
2h2 hours ago
More
Oh god more old tweets coming to haunt me:

I sincerely apologize for my August 2000 tweet in which I suggested that I would “murder my entire family” for a chance to meet Final Destination’s Devon Sawa.

It was cruel and vulgar and I shouldn’t have said it or actually tried it.

Carlos Maza

@gaywonk
10m10 minutes ago
More
Daily Wire, Breitbart, Federalist, Daily Caller, and The Blaze reporters getting blocked a NANOSECOND after they follow me:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8arCC-WsAARTTg.jpg

By gawd... he's made himself immune against cancel culture.

[Liriena]

We are truly in the greatest of all timelines when leftists are supporting the rights of corporations to fuck with their base and rightwingers are calling for nationalization.

2016 broke more things than we realized.

It's more like delicious irony and schadenfreude: enjoying the shoe being on the other foot and how much "THAT'S NOT FAIR!" is being shouted, because instead of OTHER people (that is, rightist-approved targets) being inconvenienced, it's those who argue for discriminating against others who are experiencing it.

Youtube is still a terrible platform who can't be trusted with curating their content for children, let alone regulating hate speech and harassment. But yeah, the schadenfreude in watching a lot of bigots with a capitalism kink get cucked by capitalism is borderline addictive.

[The Emerald Legion]

Yes, and it's clear you didn't understand what was meant.



Sure, and if you got kicked out of the town square in 1770 and could no longer speak there or put up fliers you could still go do other things right?

My point isn't that anyone is obligated to listen or respect what you say. My point is that I find it deeply concerning how much control we've been happy to lend the private sector over our ideas and methods of speech. Practically every method for spreading your ideas requires some sort of association with a private business nowadays who can pull the plug and silence you for any reason they choose. That's, at least to me, not a desirable set of circumstances and I think we should work to change it either via rather strict legislation regarding what social media companies can and can't do or just outright nationalizing them and making them subject to the 1A both in spirit and in law.

I also find it rather amusing how many liberal sorts are willing to say "well it's the businesses choice!" but would absolutely flip shit if the business didn't want to associate with stuff they support.

I'm laughing my ass off because literally "BUSINESS SHOULDN'T SERVE GAYS OR BLACKS IF THE OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO" is an argument we've had here from right wingers and now they have their knickers in a twist because it's their ox being gored.

There's a difference between "Hypothetically, this is the way things should work in a perfect world." and "This is the way things currently work. This is what you personally argue for, and here you are disregarding it to fuck with your political opponents. Why should we respect rules you clearly don't actually believe in?"

[Dontriptia]

Standard Oil in 1911 when it was broken up controlled 64 percent of their market.

YouTube right now controls 76%. There is no effective "free market".

We cannot allow this censorship to continue, and it would be pretty easy to do. Just pass a law saying that major social media companies may not engage in viewpoint discrimination.

[Fartsniffage]

Standard Oil in 1911 when it was broken up controlled 64 percent of their market.

YouTube right now controls 76%. There is no effective "free market".

We cannot allow this censorship to continue, and it would be pretty easy to do. Just pass a law saying that major social media companies may not engage in viewpoint discrimination.

Youtube controls 76% of social media? Facebook must be upset about that....

[Cedoria]

Are there examples of channels that have been affected?

I linked a video that explains this.

The source you use is, what do the kids call it these days? Biased.

Give me a source that not from a schmuck with an axe to grind.