Nonexistent emergency at the border getting worse

[Dormill and Stiura]

Google Translate is a thing, you should try it some time when faced with a language you don't understand.

He's fluent in English.

He could just speak English.

Or you could be less of a racist pile of trash and not call his (possibly) native tongue "gibberish" in dismissing it.

[Nova Cyberia]

Because I don't speak Arabic.

Which means it's Arabic and thus decidedly not gibberish.

For someone who loves to call others illiterate, you sure as shit don't even know what gibberish means.

It's gibberish to those like me who don't speak Arabic.

[Nova Cyberia]

He's fluent in English.

He could just speak English.

Or you could be less of a racist pile of trash and not call his (possibly) native tongue "gibberish" in dismissing it.

He's from the US.

It is not his native tongue lmao

[Torrocca]

Which means it's Arabic and thus decidedly not gibberish.

For someone who loves to call others illiterate, you sure as shit don't even know what gibberish means.

It's gibberish to those like me who don't speak Arabic.

And you yet again fail to understand what a simple, everyday word actually means.

Amazing.

[Nova Cyberia]

It's gibberish to those like me who don't speak Arabic.

And you yet again fail to understand what a simple, everyday word actually means.

Amazing.

Alhumadillah is a simple, everyday word?

Fascinating.

[The South Falls]

Another solution to all this is actually fixing the problems that cause people to leave. Such as aiding foreign governments in rooting out drugs and gangs, and making space livable.

Aiding governments does nothing when the governments are the problem.
Throwing money at a corrupt government never makes it less corrupt.

Then you financially back the opponents of the government and hold them indebted to you.

[Dormill and Stiura]

Which means it's Arabic and thus decidedly not gibberish.

For someone who loves to call others illiterate, you sure as shit don't even know what gibberish means.

It's gibberish to those like me who don't speak Arabic.

Well I've never spoken a lick of Arabic in my life yet it's not gibberish to me. I even took the time to figure out what he said so I could better understand.

Thanks for the strawman, I needed something to put in my New England fields to fend off the pests.

[The South Falls]

How does this have anything to do with the border.

[Nova Cyberia]

It's gibberish to those like me who don't speak Arabic.

Well I've never spoken a lick of Arabic in my life yet it's not gibberish to me. I even took the time to figure out what he said so I could better understand.

Thanks for the strawman, I needed something to put in my New England fields to fend off the pests.

Yes, fam. I get it.

You're more noble because people spamming Arabic phrases on an English-speaking forum doesn't upset you.

[Dormill and Stiura]

How does this have anything to do with the border.

I'd love to move on and argue the merits of a streamlined legal immigration process, actually.

[Novus America]

Aiding governments does nothing when the governments are the problem.
Throwing money at a corrupt government never makes it less corrupt.

Then you financially back the opponents of the government and hold them indebted to you.

Well that is thing. Solving the problem requires real nation building, having the ability to arrest and remove the corrupt officials and enforce anti corruption laws.

Which is not something you can really do very easily.

[Novus America]

How does this have anything to do with the border.

I'd love to move on and argue the merits of a streamlined legal immigration process, actually.

What exactly is streamlined though? What specific changes would you make?

[Diarcesia]

I'd love to move on and argue the merits of a streamlined legal immigration process, actually.

What exactly is streamlined though? What specific changes would you make?

I don't think waiting for decades to get an immigrant's petition processed is streamlined, for one.

[Chan Island]

Some of those should be waived in the case of a person claiming refugee status, however they would need to be swapped for a compelling argument that they are in physical danger if they stay in their country.

And as for employment, it might be wise to have a set time limit of, say, 1 month for them to find work (or enrol into education) because the reality is sometimes that might not be feasible.

And, once again, all of that should have a standard of proof that a reasonable person should be able to quickly compile, and the immigration courts should be funded enough so that there are enough bureaucrats to efficiently process the case.

40% of those coming are unaccompanied minors.

What do we do about them? Employment does not matter much in their case.

Priority 1 would be try and find out who their parents or legal guardians are. Or at least some next of kin.

If they are found, they should be reunited, where ever that may be.

If not, then chances are that child has likely just fled some serious shit and so I'd bet money they have a valid refugee claim anyway, so the point would be moot. Same process as before.

And yes, employment was one of those things I was thinking should be waived in the case of a refugee claim.

[Novus America]

Well I've never spoken a lick of Arabic in my life yet it's not gibberish to me. I even took the time to figure out what he said so I could better understand.

Thanks for the strawman, I needed something to put in my New England fields to fend off the pests.

Yes, fam. I get it.

You're more noble because people spamming Arabic phrases on an English-speaking forum doesn't upset you.

Just put that one individual on ignore.

[Dormill and Stiura]

What exactly is streamlined though? What specific changes would you make?

I'd say financial responsibility would be another requirement, we don't want to build on the homeless problem we already deal with.

An optimal system in my mind would have people come in through a normal port of entry, get screened for diseases and a criminal background check. After they are processed, they're given some money (assuming they didn't have any when they showed up, at which point just convert them into dollars), a green card (or a residence visa, whichever is more useful) and government housing for 6 months to a year with a simple requirement of "Find a job and establish financial responsibility, you can stay here after the period we gave you if you can make rent", after which they finish the regular naturalization process and become citizens.

This is basically where I stand on the matter.

[Nova Cyberia]

40% of those coming are unaccompanied minors.

What do we do about them? Employment does not matter much in their case.

Priority 1 would be try and find out who their parents or legal guardians are. Or at least some next of kin.

If they are found, they should be reunited, where ever that may be.

If not, then chances are that child has likely just fled some serious shit and so I'd bet money they have a valid refugee claim anyway, so the point would be moot. Same process as before.

And yes, employment was one of those things I was thinking should be waived in the case of a refugee claim.

I don't really mind waiving it for people who have legitimate claims to refugee status.

As for the rest of this, I agree with you

[Nova Cyberia]

What exactly is streamlined though? What specific changes would you make?

I'd say financial responsibility would be another requirement, we don't want to build on the homeless problem we already deal with.

An optimal system in my mind would have people come in through a normal port of entry, get screened for diseases and a criminal background check. After they are processed, they're given some money (assuming they didn't have any when they showed up, at which point just convert them into dollars), a green card (or a residence visa, whichever is more useful) and government housing for 6 months to a year with a simple requirement of "Find a job and establish financial responsibility, you can stay here after the period we gave you if you can make rent", after which they finish the regular naturalization process and become citizens.

This is basically where I stand on the matter.

Honestly, I just primarily take issue with the idea of giving them money.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

A wall wouldn't fix this, your straw man comment about giving migrants free PS4's just ignores over the actual issues consuming human rights and migrants.

Also this is a recent increase of crime, so up till now there was no emergency.

This incoming wave needs to be handled with increased infrastructure and a speeder way to get these alleged perpetrators to a fair and speedy trial.

Of that if they are found guilty, to be deported as soon as possible. And as long as they are in the United States, they are to be treated as human beings.

[Diarcesia]

This is basically where I stand on the matter.

Honestly, I just primarily take issue with the idea of giving them money.

Immigrants aren't supposed to in the first place anyway. To be clear, I refer to direct assistance, since building infrastructure is technically also giving everyone, including immigrants, money in a good way.

[Nova Cyberia]

A wall wouldn't fix this, your straw man comment about giving migrants free PS4's just ignores over the actual issues consuming human rights and migrants.

Also this is a recent increase of crime, so up till now there was no emergency.

This incoming wave needs to be handled with increased infrastructure and a speeder way to get these alleged perpetrators to a fair and speedy trial.

Of that if they are found guilty, to be deported as soon as possible. And as long as they are in the United States, they are to be treated as human beings.

Have you considered that migrants are crammed into those spaces because CPB literally does not have enough resources to handle them all?

[Novus America]

What exactly is streamlined though? What specific changes would you make?

I don't think waiting for decades to get an immigrant's petition processed is streamlined, for one.

That is simply a numbers thing again.
Why do you think Harvard has a waiting list?
Not because their application process is to burdensome but because demand vastly exceeds supply, and not all people are equally qualified.

If you have 200 people wanting a job, 1 job opening a year, and require people actually be qualified for the job, streamlining the application process will still leave the same 199 people waiting until another job opens next year.

And if 50 do not even qualify they are not getting the job regardless.

[Dormill and Stiura]

This is basically where I stand on the matter.

Honestly, I just primarily take issue with the idea of giving them money.

The way I see it, the only way somebody is going to be able to find a reasonable job after immigrating is if they don't have to worry about how they'll eat for the next day (I'm assuming federal aid such as food stamps are not already given to them once processing is done) or the clothes they'll wear to their interview. How much money depends on a local cost of living but I think nothing more than $2000 is more than enough, given that in my system they would be given government housing with all the necessary amenities, most especially a computer and an internet connection.

However, those coming here with a job already on the line don't need this, nor do people who already have money when they arrive. So this should only be used for refugees who could only take the clothes on their backs before they had to escape.

[Cetacea]

Meanwhile the Democrats were trying to get proper funding for border security and infrastructure measures which kept being blocked because they wouldn't also fund The Wall.

In Israel a wall with soldiers guarding it works 24/7. You democrats just don't want to lose Hispanic influx of voters because of the welfare system that gives them free sh*t

So missiles killing civilians in your cities and bulldozers flattening school houses is working?

[Nova Cyberia]

Honestly, I just primarily take issue with the idea of giving them money.

The way I see it, the only way somebody is going to be able to find a reasonable job after immigrating is if they don't have to worry about how they'll eat for the next day (I'm assuming federal aid such as food stamps are not already given to them once processing is done) or the clothes they'll wear to their interview. How much money depends on a local cost of living but I think nothing more than $2000 is more than enough, given that in my system they would be given government housing with all the necessary amenities, most especially a computer and an internet connection.

However, those coming here with a job already on the line don't need this, nor do people who already have money when they arrive. So this should only be used for refugees who could only take the clothes on their backs before they had to escape.

Perhaps we should prioritize people who aren't completely broke when they come here?