Nonexistent emergency at the border getting worse

[Nova Cyberia]

I think that people need to be free of diseases, have no criminal record, speak English, have preferably have some form of higher education and have some form of employment waiting for them so they aren't a drain when they come here.

But that's just me.

Some of those should be waived in the case of a person claiming refugee status, however they would need to be swapped for a compelling argument that they are in physical danger if they stay in their country.

And as for employment, it might be wise to have a set time limit of, say, 1 month for them to find work (or enrol into education) because the reality is sometimes that might not be feasible.

And, once again, all of that should have a standard of proof that a reasonable person should be able to quickly compile, and the immigration courts should be funded enough so that there are enough bureaucrats to efficiently process the case.

40% of those coming are unaccompanied minors.

What do we do about them? Employment does not matter much in their case.

[Dormill and Stiura]

Yeah, and those foreign language threads are specifically designated.

Every other thread people speak English in. Like, ya know, this one.

That's twice now you've ignored my own arguments, even when I've moved on.

No wonder everybody thinks NSG is cancerous.

[Nova Cyberia]

Yeah, and those foreign language threads are specifically designated.

Every other thread people speak English in. Like, ya know, this one.

That's twice now you've ignored my own arguments, even when I've moved on.

No wonder everybody thinks NSG is cancerous.

I responded to something you said to me, fam.

Am I not supposed to do that?

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

Except for all the foreign language threads on here. I'd also like to make the point that calling another language "gibberish" just by virtue of your lack of understanding it (or, idk, using google translate to figure out that our friend here was saying something close to "Thank God") is bigoted at the very least.

But back to the argument at hand, if Legal Immigration were easier for people to gain access to, then it should be a logical thought that Illegal Immigration would be less prevalent. Of those that would persist in trying to enter the nation illegally, they should be met with an effective border security force that's actually capable of processing them in a humane fashion. Is that so much to ask for?

Yeah, and those foreign language threads are specifically designated.

Every other thread people speak English in. Like, ya know, this one.

That still doesn't make foreign languages 'gibberish'. You not understanding something's meaning doesn't make it meaningless.

Back on topic though, surely you can admit that the present system of locking children in cages is unconscionable, and serious change is required?

[Nova Cyberia]

Yeah, and those foreign language threads are specifically designated.

Every other thread people speak English in. Like, ya know, this one.

That still doesn't make foreign languages 'gibberish'. You not understanding something's meaning doesn't make it meaningless.

Back on topic though, surely you can admit that the present system of locking children in cages is unconscionable, and serious change is required?

I don't particularly care. It's meaningless gibberish here.

[Diarcesia]

Yeah, I don't speak Arabic. It's gibberish to me. Most people here don't, since this is an English-speaking forum.

Except for all the foreign language threads on here. I'd also like to make the point that calling another language "gibberish" just by virtue of your lack of understanding it (or, idk, using google translate to figure out that our friend here was saying something close to "Thank God") is bigoted at the very least.

But back to the argument at hand, if Legal Immigration were easier for people to gain access to, then it should be a logical thought that Illegal Immigration would be less prevalent. Of those that would persist in trying to enter the nation illegally, they should be met with an effective border security force that's actually capable of processing them in a humane fashion. Is that so much to ask for?

It makes sense for someone to reject it if his true advocacy is to close the borders. There would be no incentive to streamline legal immigration and would in fact approve of going the opposite direction.

[Dormill and Stiura]

That's twice now you've ignored my own arguments, even when I've moved on.

No wonder everybody thinks NSG is cancerous.

I responded to something you said to me, fam.

Am I not supposed to do that?

You failed to respond to my question that I had asked. And you ignored my earlier argument regarding my ideal immigration system. If you're going to keep ignoring the arguments I make on this thread then I'll just stop and continue to watch these fires burn.

[Nova Cyberia]

Yeah, and those foreign language threads are specifically designated.

Every other thread people speak English in. Like, ya know, this one.

That still doesn't make foreign languages 'gibberish'. You not understanding something's meaning doesn't make it meaningless.

Back on topic though, surely you can admit that the present system of locking children in cages is unconscionable, and serious change is required?

And yes, CBP needs more funding to build better facilities.

[Torrocca]

Who honestly gives a single iota of a fuck who you responded to when that was a conversation entirely related to a point I made about the shittiness of your beliefs?

Because context actually matters.

I didn't enter into it until

A lie:

The point is that they don't want the brown-skinned foreigners to be seen as equals to America's citizenry and would thus rather prevent them from being Americans as much as possible.

If that wasn't the case, they'd fully support easing both the immigration and citizenship processes and thus eradicate the issues of illegal immigration in the easiest way imaginable, rather than a border wall across the US-Mexico alone, with no regard for the other border up north.

And the inevitable weak appeal to racism that you insert in lieu of an actual argument.

So predictable. So lame.

he said to me that he didn't see what was wrong with letting illegal immigrants become citizens.

For someone who just said that context matters, you're sure as fuck deliberately ignoring the context to what Necro was responding to in order to make up this lie:

The point is that they don't want the brown-skinned foreigners to be seen as equals to America's citizenry and would thus rather prevent them from being Americans as much as possible.

If that wasn't the case, they'd fully support easing both the immigration and citizenship processes and thus eradicate the issues of illegal immigration in the easiest way imaginable, rather than a border wall across the US-Mexico alone, with no regard for the other border up north.

And the inevitable weak appeal to racism that you insert in lieu of an actual argument.

So predictable. So lame.

It's a better response than just refusing to say why it's so bad to let people become citizens.

When I was talking about not giving illegal aliens citizenship?

Yet another lie that's as clear as a fucking cloudless day to anyone who bothers reading those quotes.

But I guess context doesn't matter when you're looking for a reason to be outraged.

You don't need to tell us the obvious about yourself, chief.

[Novus America]

Yeah, I don't speak Arabic. It's gibberish to me. Most people here don't, since this is an English-speaking forum.

Except for all the foreign language threads on here. I'd also like to make the point that calling another language "gibberish" just by virtue of your lack of understanding it (or, idk, using google translate to figure out that our friend here was saying something close to "Thank God") is bigoted at the very least.

But back to the argument at hand, if Legal Immigration were easier for people to gain access to, then it should be a logical thought that Illegal Immigration would be less prevalent. Of those that would persist in trying to enter the nation illegally, they should be met with an effective border security force that's actually capable of processing them in a humane fashion. Is that so much to ask for?

Unless we absurdly expand our population we are not going to be bringing in enough.
And those not qualify will still not qualify unless you eliminate standards.

Yes we do need a better funded, better organized border security force, that does the job effectively and humanely.

[Nova Cyberia]

I responded to something you said to me, fam.

Am I not supposed to do that?

You failed to respond to my question that I had asked. And you ignored my earlier argument regarding my ideal immigration system. If you're going to keep ignoring the arguments I make on this thread then I'll just stop and continue to watch these fires burn.

Yes, I'm terribly sorry that I missed your post whilst debating several other people.

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

That still doesn't make foreign languages 'gibberish'. You not understanding something's meaning doesn't make it meaningless.

Back on topic though, surely you can admit that the present system of locking children in cages is unconscionable, and serious change is required?

I don't particularly care. It's meaningless gibberish here.

You aren't willing to concede even the basic point that foreign languages aren't meaningless, and it is you who are unable to discern the meaning, rather than the meaning itself not existing?

Also, do you have a response to the point about the present system being immoral?

[Nova Cyberia]

Because context actually matters.

I didn't enter into it until

A lie:

And the inevitable weak appeal to racism that you insert in lieu of an actual argument.

So predictable. So lame.

he said to me that he didn't see what was wrong with letting illegal immigrants become citizens.

For someone who just said that context matters, you're sure as fuck deliberately ignoring the context to what Necro was responding to in order to make up this lie:

The point is that they don't want the brown-skinned foreigners to be seen as equals to America's citizenry and would thus rather prevent them from being Americans as much as possible.

If that wasn't the case, they'd fully support easing both the immigration and citizenship processes and thus eradicate the issues of illegal immigration in the easiest way imaginable, rather than a border wall across the US-Mexico alone, with no regard for the other border up north.

It's a better response than just refusing to say why it's so bad to let people become citizens.

When I was talking about not giving illegal aliens citizenship?

Yet another lie that's as clear as a fucking cloudless day to anyone who bothers reading those quotes.

But I guess context doesn't matter when you're looking for a reason to be outraged.

You don't need to tell us the obvious about yourself, chief.

And then he responded to me and started a new conversation about something else.

Crazy, right?

[Chan Island]

Depends on how simple you make it.

And also, again, of course the correct answer is to have enough resources into the legal side of the immigration process so that judges can properly weigh up the validity of each individual case they get.

But we still will not be letting in everyone.
Those sneaking in illegally are often not qualified in the first place.

Because we will not be letting in everyone, there are going to be people trying to get in illegally.
Making the process faster will not do anything unless you massively expand the annual intake.

It is still a numbers game.

We bring in about a million a year.

But 750 million adults want to leave there country, and the US is the first choice of 158 million.
Plus remember that is only adults.

We are not going to be bringing in enough to eliminate or probably even significantly reduce illegal immigration.

We will still have to rely on border security, deterrence and removal measures to bring illegal immigration under control.

The deterrence is made obsolete if there is no reason to try and immigrate illegally though- for example, by having a fast, simple and streamlined legal immigration process.

And it's not rocket science that if a person still immigrates illegally they can of course be deported. But the current situation is that the legal immigration route is a mess right now, so that should be tackled first before pouring everything into border security (and even then, it would be wise to put that into measures that actually make sense, rather than a gigantic 3000 kilometre long wall that is unlikely to even work).

[Highever]

Still don't understand what Torra's saying, do you? Lemme see if I can break it down.
When someone desperately wants something and it's really, really hard to obtain, they might try not-so-good ways to get it. For example, a poor father with a family of 6 might deal drugs in order to put food on the table. But if it's very easy to get that which you so desperately want, then you get by good, legal means. For example, that poor father with a family of 6 obtains a legal job instead of dealing drugs. It's the same process here.

Amin, go away.

You support slavery.

Nothing you say about anything is ever relevant.

Hey how about you stop bringing up things not related to the topic in order to go after people personally and attempt to make it out as if you dont have to actually respond?

[Nova Cyberia]

I don't particularly care. It's meaningless gibberish here.

You aren't willing to concede even the basic point that foreign languages aren't meaningless, and it is you who are unable to discern the meaning, rather than the meaning itself not existing?

Also, do you have a response to the point about the present system being immoral?

That still doesn't make foreign languages 'gibberish'. You not understanding something's meaning doesn't make it meaningless.

Back on topic though, surely you can admit that the present system of locking children in cages is unconscionable, and serious change is required?

And yes, CBP needs more funding to build better facilities.

[Torrocca]

That still doesn't make foreign languages 'gibberish'. You not understanding something's meaning doesn't make it meaningless.

Back on topic though, surely you can admit that the present system of locking children in cages is unconscionable, and serious change is required?

I don't particularly care. It's meaningless gibberish here.

Y'know, it's adorable how you sarcastically dismiss somebody calling you racist and then pull this shit here.

[Nova Cyberia]

I don't particularly care. It's meaningless gibberish here.

Y'know, it's adorable how you sarcastically dismiss somebody calling you racist and then pull this shit here.

Deliberately posting Arabic phrases that Amin knows no one else can actually understand is little more than gibberish.

[Torrocca]

A lie:





For someone who just said that context matters, you're sure as fuck deliberately ignoring the context to what Necro was responding to in order to make up this lie:







Yet another lie that's as clear as a fucking cloudless day to anyone who bothers reading those quotes.



You don't need to tell us the obvious about yourself, chief.

And then he responded to me and started a new conversation about something else.

Crazy, right?

No, they fucking didn't, but good fucking job ignoring the very fucking context you were just trying to fucking champion in defense of your own posts.

[Dormill and Stiura]

Y'know, it's adorable how you sarcastically dismiss somebody calling you racist and then pull this shit here.

Deliberately posting Arabic phrases that Amin knows no one else can actually understand is little more than gibberish.

Google Translate is a thing, you should try it some time when faced with a language you don't understand.

[Torrocca]

Y'know, it's adorable how you sarcastically dismiss somebody calling you racist and then pull this shit here.

Deliberately posting Arabic phrases that Amin knows no one else can actually understand is little more than gibberish.

So you know it's an Arabic phrase, which thusly means it's not actually gibberish at all, yet still call it gibberish.

Amazing.

[Novus America]

But we still will not be letting in everyone.
Those sneaking in illegally are often not qualified in the first place.

Because we will not be letting in everyone, there are going to be people trying to get in illegally.
Making the process faster will not do anything unless you massively expand the annual intake.

It is still a numbers game.

We bring in about a million a year.

But 750 million adults want to leave there country, and the US is the first choice of 158 million.
Plus remember that is only adults.

We are not going to be bringing in enough to eliminate or probably even significantly reduce illegal immigration.

We will still have to rely on border security, deterrence and removal measures to bring illegal immigration under control.

The deterrence is made obsolete if there is no reason to try and immigrate illegally though- for example, by having a fast, simple and streamlined legal immigration process.

And it's not rocket science that if a person still immigrates illegally they can of course be deported. But the current situation is that the legal immigration route is a mess right now, so that should be tackled first before pouring everything into border security (and even then, it would be wise to put that into measures that actually make sense, rather than a gigantic 3000 kilometre long wall that is unlikely to even work).

Actually the legal immigration system is not that bad.
A million legally immigrate each year.

Making it easier for a million a year does nothing.

You still have just as many lesser qualified individuals not making the cut.

You would have to raise the total number and greatly reduced standards.

Otherwise those ruins the number and those not meeting standards still are not getting in legally regardless.

[Nova Cyberia]

Deliberately posting Arabic phrases that Amin knows no one else can actually understand is little more than gibberish.

So you know it's an Arabic phrase, which thusly means it's not actually gibberish at all, yet still call it gibberish.

Amazing.

Because I don't speak Arabic.

Shockingly enough, people aren't born with the ability to understand Arabic.

So if I'm someone's deliberately posting something they know I can't understand then, yes, I'm going to dismiss it as gibberish.

Sorry, not sorry.

[Nova Cyberia]

Deliberately posting Arabic phrases that Amin knows no one else can actually understand is little more than gibberish.

Google Translate is a thing, you should try it some time when faced with a language you don't understand.

He's fluent in English.

He could just speak English.

[Torrocca]

So you know it's an Arabic phrase, which thusly means it's not actually gibberish at all, yet still call it gibberish.

Amazing.

Because I don't speak Arabic.

Which means it's Arabic and thus decidedly not gibberish.

For someone who loves to call others illiterate, you sure as shit don't even know what gibberish means.