Can a Socialist be Social Conservative ?

[Communal concils]

In western Society and after the collapse of the Old Leftism of the 1960's, there is a trend in Left-wing thought.

Intellectuals begin questioning the ideals of leftism in western society. There was the rejection of the Nuclear Family, the rejection of certain sexual views, and the ideal of a leftism "Free" from" the ideals of only focusing on issues related to class struggle. As a result, we have a left that is more liberal.

Has anybody found it weird that people said that you can't be a socialist if you:

1.are Pro-Life

2.Support controlled immigration and borders

3.reject prostitution

4.rejects the ideals of "Free" love or libertine ideals


5.Support Militarism

6.reject Non-medical use of drugs

7.value Police enforcement

8.believe in Distinctions between sexes

9.reject environmentalism

10.or some kind of Hierarchy

If you examine most socialist state or movements in history, they support many or all these things. for example, East Germany built the Berlin wall, many non-western socialist movements reject Homosexuality, and the Chinese Government since Mao would arrest people for bring Drugs like Opium. If you ignore the dogmatic people that call all these societies "Not Real Socialism", then there seems to be a contradiction for those that think leftism must reject all these things.

Now my second Question, Has any body been accuse of Social Conservativism, any leftist. I don't consider myself one, but I do share many opinions for a completely different reason. The Russian Communist Party and the Greek Party known as KKE, support many of these views. We also have a groups of western leftist that also support many of these things.

Now let's look at definitions of Leftism:
1. the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life. - Encyclopedia Britannica

2.supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy. It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).

[Bear Stearns]

They'd better be given that most of the proletariat are.

[Borovan entered the region as he]

It's called communitarian there not lot of them in the west but ppl can be socially conservative and socialist

[New haven america]

So, we just gonna pretend that Stalin didn't exist?

[Communal concils]

It's called communitarian there not lot of them in the west but ppl can be socially conservative and socialist

I do care for communities, and I am not influence by the childish and foolish views of Libertarian "Socialist", so I might as well call myself that.

[Bear Stearns]

Social liberalism is pretty bourgeois as well.

[Grenartia]

Not without being ideologically inconsistent.

[Communal concils]

They'd better be given that most of the proletariat are.

I can't stand the views of such idealist, they don't really care for significant demographics. At least the Chinese understand demographics, which is why they valued farmers in a rural nation over workers in a mostly un urbanize nation( during the time of Mao), so I don't see why so many people don't think about realism.

[Heloin]

Someone can be both economically socialist and social conservative, the two aren't mutually exclusive or anything.

It's called communitarian there not lot of them in the west but ppl can be socially conservative and socialist

I do care for communities, and I am not influence by the childish and foolish views of Libertarian "Socialist", so I might as well call myself that.

Always know how to endear yourself don't you CC.

[Kustonia]

A socialist can be socially conservative, especially if that particular socialist supports class collaboration instead of class warfare. Socialism is a broad term with many different forms and theories. I disagree with Lenin that socialism leads to communism, because there is no one particular definition or form of socialism. Traditionalists and feudalists could be considered socialist in a way, but they would certainly be opposed to Marxian socialism and dialectical materialism.

[Communal concils]

So, we just gonna pretend that Stalin didn't exist?

I would call Stalin a realist. He knows that Russia wasn't in the condition for such ideals. Especially in his programs of centralization.

[New haven america]

Got it, we're just gonna pretend Stalin didn't exist. Cool.

[Bear Stearns]

They'd better be given that most of the proletariat are.

I can't stand the views of such idealist, they don't really care for significant demographics. At least the Chinese understand demographics, which is why they valued farmers in a rural nation over workers in a mostly un urbanize nation( during the time of Mao), so I don't see why so many people don't think about realism.

Trying to win over the coal miners and ironworkers with intersectionality and trans stuff isn't going to work lol

[Aclion]

Yeah, it's called fascism.

[Communal concils]

A socialist can be socially conservative, especially if that particular socialist supports class collaboration instead of class warfare. Socialism is a broad term with many different forms and theories. I disagree with Lenin that socialism leads to communism, because there is no one particular definition or form of socialism. Traditionalists and feudalists could be considered socialist in a way, but they would certainly be opposed to Marxian socialism and dialectical materialism.

I see no point in really having a Bourgeoisie collaborate with The Proletariat. They are lazy, and they tend to use wealth for decadence. Class Warfare can simply be use to create a new Hierarchy, and a new Proletariat that isn't base on poverty.

[Bear Stearns]

A socialist can be socially conservative, especially if that particular socialist supports class collaboration instead of class warfare. Socialism is a broad term with many different forms and theories. I disagree with Lenin that socialism leads to communism, because there is no one particular definition or form of socialism. Traditionalists and feudalists could be considered socialist in a way, but they would certainly be opposed to Marxian socialism and dialectical materialism.

I see no point in really having a Bourgeoisie collaborate with The Proletariat. They are lazy, and they tend to use wealth for decadence. Class Warfare can simply be use to create a new Hierarchy, and a new Proletariat that isn't base on poverty.

Class warfare usually results in looting and starvation until a bloodthirsty psychopath gathers enough power to recreate the hierarchy with him at the top.

[Corunia and Mironor]

Yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism

[Communal concils]

I can't stand the views of such idealist, they don't really care for significant demographics. At least the Chinese understand demographics, which is why they valued farmers in a rural nation over workers in a mostly un urbanize nation( during the time of Mao), so I don't see why so many people don't think about realism.

Trying to win over the coal miners and ironworkers with intersectionality and trans stuff isn't going to work lol

I know. I think that we should look at historical figures like Pancho Villa. That man was able to amass a whole army, he tried to topple the Mexican Government several times, and He is mostly seen as a hyper-Masculine figure. Perhaps, the left should be more like him.

[Bienenhalde]

I am sympathetic to the idea of a socially conservative form of socialism. As for CC's points, I agree with most of them, except for 5 and 9 and maybe 8.

[Bear Stearns]

Trying to win over the coal miners and ironworkers with intersectionality and trans stuff isn't going to work lol

I know. I think that we should look at historical figures like Pancho Villa. That man was able to amass a whole army, he tried to topple the Mexican Government several times, and He is mostly seen as a hyper-Masculine figure. Perhaps, the left should be more like him.

You mean be like a murderous bandit? The guy razed entire towns for fun.

[Soviet Tankistan]

Has anybody found it weird that people said that you can't be a socialist if you:

1.are Pro-Life

2.Support controlled immigration and borders

3.reject prostitution

4.rejects the ideals of "Free" love or libertine ideals


5.Support Militarism

6.reject Non-medical use of drugs

7.value Police enforcement

8.believe in Distinctions between sexes

9.reject environmentalism

10.or some kind of Hierarchy

Now let's look at definitions of Leftism:
1. the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life. - Encyclopedia Britannica

2.supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy. It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).

1. Pro life is a nonsense name. I believe the number of abortions should be adjusted based of the country's population.
Not 'moral' reasons.
2. Security is irrelevant to xenophobia. Letting others in must happen while anti-crime measures must be strong regardless. People seeking trouble will always get by, it is a question of whether you let the people who deserve it in.
3. Prostitution is a health hazard if unregulated. However, I believe current laws in countries like the United States do a pretty good job handling it.
4. Again, mostly a problem of STDs and STIs. Marriage equality should exist but free love isn't realistic for a modernized country.
5. Militarism is needed to a certain extent but every country must be careful if doesn't escalate war too far or hope for disaster.
6. Agree, but rehabilitation is the best way.
7. Law enforcement is a certainty, but the values have been corrupted by capitalism. I have no doubt that the police would retain similar problems under your ideas.
8. Women should have equal rights as men. There should be no legal difference.
9. Climate change is real and should be addressed. However, unsustainable economic policies should not be enacted.
10. I am against capitalism because of unjust and inefficient hierarchy. Having a straightforward and effective leadership is one thing, tyranny and guaranteed rule is another.

You aren't very left wing, more like a totalitarian right winger who believe they are socialist.

[Soviet Tankistan]

Yeah, it's called fascism.

Fascism is not socialist nor is it completely conservative.

[Communal concils]

I see no point in really having a Bourgeoisie collaborate with The Proletariat. They are lazy, and they tend to use wealth for decadence. Class Warfare can simply be use to create a new Hierarchy, and a new Proletariat that isn't base on poverty.

Class warfare usually results in looting and starvation until a bloodthirsty psychopath gathers enough power to recreate the hierarchy with him at the top.

Many socialist, like myself don't reject this. We mostly see it as a temporary dictatorship, one that is built on popular support. A Revolution is Authoritarian, because you have to suppress the people you were once ruled by. I will say that leaders like Thomas Sankara and Balshar Assad's Father were popular among a large amount of the population.

[Trumpisslavia]

Duh.

[Costa Fierro]

The whole labour movement in many Western countries is rooted in these kinds of people. New Zealand's principal left wing party, Labour, was founded by coal miners in the West Coast, one of the least socially liberal places in the country.