MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Gravlen]

Trump says he didn't rape E. Jean Carroll because "Number one, she’s not my type".

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Yeeeaahhh...

(BTW, he also said Stormy Daniels wasn't his type.)

[Kowani]

Trump says he didn't rape E. Jean Carroll because "Number one, she’s not my type".

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Yeeeaahhh...

You’d think a businessman would understand the value of PR.

Also, this is eerily close to Sargon’s “I wouldn’t even rape you” bullshit, which really doesn’t bode well.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Also funny how no one ever has the vapours like this when it's pro-Democrat speech being banned.

Some of us surely would express concern if those instances were put before us. Its hardly hypocrisy to express discomfort with the cases we're told about while not doing so about ones that haven't been raised.

You're accusing other people of "having the vapours" for calmly expressing concern, and making fanciful zero-evidence allegations of inconsistency based on imaginary responses to cases you haven't raised.

Hard to conclude that you're not just low-quality baiting as per usual schtich. Have you considered engaging with other people honestly and reasonably like a mature adult?

[Cannot think of a name]

Good grief...

Basically everyone is throwing a massive panic over sites calling white supremacist views bad.

A knitting forum. A fucking knitting forum. Concern about conditions of asylum seekers at the border have to be carefully worded or we're being hyperbolic but a knitting forum makes an arbitrary decision and suddenly drop everything, democracy is in danger.

Pass. Fucking pass. There has got to be a real story we can discuss instead of histrionics.

Fuck, I don't know. Pompeo understands the importance of shipping lanes, his boss doesn't.

More White House officials ignoring requests to appear

White House lawyers told the House Oversight Committee on Monday that senior counselor Kellyanne Conway will not appear at a hearing on Wednesday after a federal agency said earlier this month that she was a repeat offender of the Hatch Act and she should be fired.
Chairman Elijah Cummings, Democrat of Maryland, told CNN that he planned to subpoena Conway on Wednesday. Cummings warned that his panel would vote to hold Conway in contempt if she ignores the subpoena.

Defying the legislature's oversight role...

Trump ally has Trump story removed.

The New York Post's former top editor, a supporter of President Trump and an old lieutenant of Rupert Murdoch who returned to the conservative tabloid as an adviser in early 2019, ordered the removal of a story about writer Jean Carroll's sexual assault allegations against President Trump, two people familiar with the matter told CNN Business.

The Post's story about Carroll's sexual assault allegations was mysteriously scrubbed from the tabloid's website on Friday afternoon. The link to the story, which had been written by reporter Joe Tacopino, directed readers to a dead or 404 page.

A wire story by the Associated Press which had been published on the Post's website was also removed.
Carroll accused Trump of sexually assaulting her in an excerpt of her forthcoming book published by New York magazine on Friday. She said Trump penetrated her against her will in the fitting room of Bergdorf Goodman in the 1990s after asking her to try on a piece of lingerie. Trump denied the claim in a Friday statement.

A spokeswoman for the Post declined to comment. The spokeswoman did not dispute the account of events CNN Business provided to her, nor did she provide an explanation for the removal of the stories about Carroll's accusations.
But the two people familiar with the matter told CNN Business that Col Allan, the former editor-in-chief of the Post who currently works as an adviser to the paper, ordered the story to be scrubbed from the website.

Or the six other times he was lent a hand:

-- Fox News Channel's newscasts and talk shows have barely mentioned Carroll's newly published allegation that Trump sexually assaulted her in the 1990s. Trump says she is lying.

-- Archived text messages revealed that Sean Hannity texted Paul Manafort like he was a PR agent.
-- The Washington Post came out with new reporting about Jeanine Pirro using her Fox perch to trash Jeff Sessions after he blocked her from a job at the Justice Department.
-- Trump called into Sean Hannity's show for a 50-minute-long chat.
-- He tweeted out videos from Hannity's show, Pirro's show, and Lou Dobbs' show.-- And Fox announced that Tucker Carlson will have an exclusive sit-down with Trump at the G20 this weekend.

Trump doesn't understand war powers shocker.

President Donald Trump doesn't believe he needs congressional approval to make a military strike against Iran, but he likes "the idea of keeping Congress abreast."
"I do like keeping them -- they have ideas, they're intelligent people, they'll have some thoughts. I actually learned a couple of things the other day when we had our meeting with Congress, but I do like keeping them abreast, but I don't have to do it legally," the President said Monday in an interview with The Hill, a CNN affiliate.
The question of Trump's authority to approve a military strike without congressional approval has been hotly debated among members of Congress in recent days amid escalating tensions with Iran.

Trump takes credit for not destroying something.

n the last three months, President Donald Trump has called Obamacare a "disaster," a "catastrophe" and something that just "doesn't work." But on Monday, he conceded, it's working "at least adequately now."
Trump told the crowd at the White House for the signing of an executive order to make health care prices more accessible that he had pondered doing "a bad job" at making Obamacare more efficient and effective. But he also takes credit for stabilizing the Affordable Care Act, saying that under his watch, it "works at least adequately now."
"I had a decision to make. Do we do a good job with Obamacare -- a remnant of Obamacare? Or do we do a bad job? If I do a bad job, well there you can blame Obama and the Democrats. If we do a good job, they'll get a little bit more credit, but it's still very faulty," Trump said. "It doesn't work and it's too expensive. And I told our great secretary (of Health and Human Services) Alex Azar, 'Don't do a good job. Do a great job.' "

Fucking knitting circles.

[Nakena]

A knitting forum. A fucking knitting forum. Concern about conditions of asylum seekers at the border have to be carefully worded or we're being hyperbolic but a knitting forum makes an arbitrary decision and suddenly drop everything, democracy is in danger.

Oh no, the question here truly is whether or not those are merely two isolated and henceforth entirly irrelevant cases or IF they perhaps are indicative for a larger trend:

Namely non-political communities and entities turning political and excluding people from their ranks who share views contrary to the position they choose to pick.

Does this happen increasingly? That is question and concern.

The Forum itself is rather irrelevant indeed.

PS: I should add that in the case of the RPG place from which the Knitters copypasted their announcement, supporting Trump was equated with White Supremacy and thus, to speak with Hannah Arendt, the radical evil which must, as a moral duty, be opposed.

[Vassenor]

A knitting forum. A fucking knitting forum. Concern about conditions of asylum seekers at the border have to be carefully worded or we're being hyperbolic but a knitting forum makes an arbitrary decision and suddenly drop everything, democracy is in danger.

Oh no, the question here truly is whether or not those are merely two isolated and henceforth entirly irrelevant cases or IF they perhaps are indicative for a larger trend:

Namely non-political communities and entities turning political and excluding people from their ranks who share views contrary to the position they choose to pick.

Does this happen increasingly? That is question and concern.

The Forum itself is rather irrelevant indeed.

PS: I should add that in the case of the RPG place from which the Knitters copypasted their announcement, supporting Trump was equated with White Supremacy and thus, to speak with Hannah Arendt, the radical evil which must, as a moral duty, be opposed.

Clearly the greatest injustice in the history of ever. And totally not just something to distract people from how the Trump Regime is actively fucking up the country.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

A knitting forum. A fucking knitting forum. Concern about conditions of asylum seekers at the border have to be carefully worded or we're being hyperbolic but a knitting forum makes an arbitrary decision and suddenly drop everything, democracy is in danger.

Oh no, the question here truly is whether or not those are merely two isolated and henceforth entirly irrelevant cases or IF they perhaps are indicative for a larger trend:

Namely non-political communities and entities turning political and excluding people from their ranks who share views contrary to the position they choose to pick.

Does this happen increasingly? That is question and concern.

The Forum itself is rather irrelevant indeed.

PS: I should add that in the case of the RPG place from which the Knitters copypasted their announcement, supporting Trump was equated with White Supremacy and thus, to speak with Hannah Arendt, the radical evil which must, as a moral duty, be opposed.

There is no such thing as a non-political space. Everything is politics, in the end. The measure some people use to divide 'political' from 'non-political' is whether something is somehow controversial, in any meaning of the word. By calling something a political issue, you're only saying that it's somehow controversial.

And somehow, the question whether some people should have less rights than others based on their skin tone, sexual orientation, being trans, their religion, is being called 'political', somehow making it to the 'controversial' sphere. Those things are not controversial. And if someone in a group spouts opinions against an uncontroversial stance, then that group, even though they might not deal with controversial issues, may choose to exclude that person for the hateful opinion espoused.

'Don't bring politics into my [...]' is an inherently conservative comment to make, since that assumes that all change is politics, and everything staying the same is not.

[Valrifell]

Now it could be that these people are taking stance against policy and rhetoric that they see as fundamentally harmful and unnecessarily inflammatory or *puts on tin foil hat* it could be indicative of a larger trend of persecution against Trump supporters. Being the most oppressed minority since Gamers (and indeed there is a large overlap) it doesn't take a genius to know which is the right answer.

[Aclion]

Also funny how no one ever has the vapours like this when it's pro-Democrat speech being banned.

Because such censorship, when it happens is usually of the token variety.

Now it could be that these people are taking stance against policy and rhetoric that they see as fundamentally harmful and unnecessarily inflammatory or *puts on tin foil hat* it could be indicative of a larger trend of persecution against Trump supporters. Being the most oppressed minority since Gamers (and indeed there is a large overlap) it doesn't take a genius to know which is the right answer.

It could be that the distinction between platforms and publishers isn't being enforced and it needs to be.

[Valrifell]

It's a knitting forum.

[Ifreann]

Basically everyone is throwing a massive panic over sites calling white supremacist views bad.

A knitting forum. A fucking knitting forum. Concern about conditions of asylum seekers at the border have to be carefully worded or we're being hyperbolic but a knitting forum makes an arbitrary decision and suddenly drop everything, democracy is in danger.

Pass. Fucking pass. There has got to be a real story we can discuss instead of histrionics.

Fuck, I don't know. Pompeo understands the importance of shipping lanes, his boss doesn't.

More White House officials ignoring requests to appear

White House lawyers told the House Oversight Committee on Monday that senior counselor Kellyanne Conway will not appear at a hearing on Wednesday after a federal agency said earlier this month that she was a repeat offender of the Hatch Act and she should be fired.
Chairman Elijah Cummings, Democrat of Maryland, told CNN that he planned to subpoena Conway on Wednesday. Cummings warned that his panel would vote to hold Conway in contempt if she ignores the subpoena.

Defying the legislature's oversight role...

Trump ally has Trump story removed.

The New York Post's former top editor, a supporter of President Trump and an old lieutenant of Rupert Murdoch who returned to the conservative tabloid as an adviser in early 2019, ordered the removal of a story about writer Jean Carroll's sexual assault allegations against President Trump, two people familiar with the matter told CNN Business.

The Post's story about Carroll's sexual assault allegations was mysteriously scrubbed from the tabloid's website on Friday afternoon. The link to the story, which had been written by reporter Joe Tacopino, directed readers to a dead or 404 page.

A wire story by the Associated Press which had been published on the Post's website was also removed.
Carroll accused Trump of sexually assaulting her in an excerpt of her forthcoming book published by New York magazine on Friday. She said Trump penetrated her against her will in the fitting room of Bergdorf Goodman in the 1990s after asking her to try on a piece of lingerie. Trump denied the claim in a Friday statement.

A spokeswoman for the Post declined to comment. The spokeswoman did not dispute the account of events CNN Business provided to her, nor did she provide an explanation for the removal of the stories about Carroll's accusations.
But the two people familiar with the matter told CNN Business that Col Allan, the former editor-in-chief of the Post who currently works as an adviser to the paper, ordered the story to be scrubbed from the website.

Or the six other times he was lent a hand:

-- Fox News Channel's newscasts and talk shows have barely mentioned Carroll's newly published allegation that Trump sexually assaulted her in the 1990s. Trump says she is lying.

-- Archived text messages revealed that Sean Hannity texted Paul Manafort like he was a PR agent.
-- The Washington Post came out with new reporting about Jeanine Pirro using her Fox perch to trash Jeff Sessions after he blocked her from a job at the Justice Department.
-- Trump called into Sean Hannity's show for a 50-minute-long chat.
-- He tweeted out videos from Hannity's show, Pirro's show, and Lou Dobbs' show.-- And Fox announced that Tucker Carlson will have an exclusive sit-down with Trump at the G20 this weekend.

Trump doesn't understand war powers shocker.

President Donald Trump doesn't believe he needs congressional approval to make a military strike against Iran, but he likes "the idea of keeping Congress abreast."
"I do like keeping them -- they have ideas, they're intelligent people, they'll have some thoughts. I actually learned a couple of things the other day when we had our meeting with Congress, but I do like keeping them abreast, but I don't have to do it legally," the President said Monday in an interview with The Hill, a CNN affiliate.
The question of Trump's authority to approve a military strike without congressional approval has been hotly debated among members of Congress in recent days amid escalating tensions with Iran.

Trump takes credit for not destroying something.

n the last three months, President Donald Trump has called Obamacare a "disaster," a "catastrophe" and something that just "doesn't work." But on Monday, he conceded, it's working "at least adequately now."
Trump told the crowd at the White House for the signing of an executive order to make health care prices more accessible that he had pondered doing "a bad job" at making Obamacare more efficient and effective. But he also takes credit for stabilizing the Affordable Care Act, saying that under his watch, it "works at least adequately now."
"I had a decision to make. Do we do a good job with Obamacare -- a remnant of Obamacare? Or do we do a bad job? If I do a bad job, well there you can blame Obama and the Democrats. If we do a good job, they'll get a little bit more credit, but it's still very faulty," Trump said. "It doesn't work and it's too expensive. And I told our great secretary (of Health and Human Services) Alex Azar, 'Don't do a good job. Do a great job.' "

Fucking knitting circles.

Nah, looks like we're talking about the knitting circle.

[Tarsonis]

More like liberals losing their minds over Trump supporters

Oh, are we doing this song and dance again?

How else would you describe the casting of Pepe memes and the ok sign as “alt-right” by the left? Pepe was a widely used meme, and the Ok sign? Really? It’s not an accident that the melt down happened in 2016.

[Tarsonis]

Also funny how no one ever has the vapours like this when it's pro-Democrat speech being banned.

And where’s it being banned?

[Juristonia]

Oh, are we doing this song and dance again?

How else would you describe the casting of Pepe memes and the ok sign as “alt-right” by the left? Pepe was a widely used meme, and the Ok sign? Really? It’s not an accident that the melt down happened in 2016.

I don't know. Possibly because the alt-right decided to co-op those things?
You're right, it's not an accident. That was intentional. Just not from the side you're thinking of.

[Gormwood]

A knitting website most people won't give a shit about banning Trump support will somehow directly result in Donnie winning in 2020? "Support Trump or He'll Blow Up and Win Again"? Damn, some people talk like they really do believe Donnie is a volcano god.

[Gormwood]

Also funny how no one ever has the vapours like this when it's pro-Democrat speech being banned.

And where’s it being banned?

r/The_Donald has a notoriety for banning people who don't pray towards Trump 5 times a day but nobody is complaining about that.

[Zurkerx]

A knitting website most people won't give a shit about banning Trump support will somehow directly result in Donnie winning in 2020? "Support Trump or He'll Blow Up and Win Again"? Damn, some people talk like they really do believe Donnie is a volcano god.

I think the below sums it up:

But here's the thing: he's going to explode in anger regardless if he wins or not. If he wins, it won't be with the popular vote most likely, and that will convince him to spread the conspiracy of "muh- voter fraud"! Or, he loses the election and calls it rigged and challenges the results. Christ, he's angry when he's winning!

[Gormwood]

A knitting website most people won't give a shit about banning Trump support will somehow directly result in Donnie winning in 2020? "Support Trump or He'll Blow Up and Win Again"? Damn, some people talk like they really do believe Donnie is a volcano god.

I think the below sums it up:

But here's the thing: he's going to explode in anger regardless if he wins or not. If he wins, it won't be with the popular vote most likely, and that will convince him to spread the conspiracy of "muh- voter fraud"! Or, he loses the election and calls it rigged and challenges the results. Christ, he's angry when he's winning!

The Sorest Winner In The World.

[Tarsonis]

And where’s it being banned?

r/The_Donald has a notoriety for banning people who don't pray towards Trump 5 times a day but nobody is complaining about that.

To be fair, there’s a big difference between a subreddit banning dissent, and an entire platform picking a political side. If reddit, in its entirety cracks down on Democrat supporting posts, then you would have a better point there.

[Tornado Queendom]

r/The_Donald has a notoriety for banning people who don't pray towards Trump 5 times a day but nobody is complaining about that.

To be fair, there’s a big difference between a subreddit banning dissent, and an entire platform picking a political side. If reddit, in its entirety cracks down on Democrat supporting posts, then you would have a better point there.

Or if the opposite happens, when a website like Tumblr bans anyone to the right of Lenin.

[Ifreann]

r/The_Donald has a notoriety for banning people who don't pray towards Trump 5 times a day but nobody is complaining about that.

To be fair, there’s a big difference between a subreddit banning dissent, and an entire platform picking a political side. If reddit, in its entirety cracks down on Democrat supporting posts, then you would have a better point there.

"an entire platform"
A knitting circle.

[Gormwood]

r/The_Donald has a notoriety for banning people who don't pray towards Trump 5 times a day but nobody is complaining about that.

To be fair, there’s a big difference between a subreddit banning dissent, and an entire platform picking a political side. If reddit, in its entirety cracks down on Democrat supporting posts, then you would have a better point there.

If it was Facebook or Twitter banning Trump support as opposed to a knitting website the average internetter has no idea exists you would have a better point. In the scale of things it's not much more significant than a subreddit past having its own domain.

[Galloism]

To be fair, there’s a big difference between a subreddit banning dissent, and an entire platform picking a political side. If reddit, in its entirety cracks down on Democrat supporting posts, then you would have a better point there.

"an entire platform"
A knitting circle.

If my eyes roll any harder they might get stuck.

[Ifreann]

To be fair, there’s a big difference between a subreddit banning dissent, and an entire platform picking a political side. If reddit, in its entirety cracks down on Democrat supporting posts, then you would have a better point there.

If it was Facebook or Twitter banning Trump support as opposed to a knitting website the average internetter has no idea exists you would have a better point. In the scale of things it's not much more significant than a subreddit past having its own domain.

Twitter or Facebook doing this would be great, but as I've said before, they're not interested in having good communities, they want big communities.

[Galloism]

To be fair, there’s a big difference between a subreddit banning dissent, and an entire platform picking a political side. If reddit, in its entirety cracks down on Democrat supporting posts, then you would have a better point there.

If it was Facebook or Twitter banning Trump support as opposed to a knitting website the average internetter has no idea exists you would have a better point. In the scale of things it's not much more significant than a subreddit past having its own domain.

Unironically this.

Who the hell even knew this existed before today? It's less influential than nation states for Pete's sake.

It's stupid, like prohibiting support of Obama during his term would be stupid, but there's no law against stupid. Let it go. Move on.