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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:08 pm

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:It is possible to think he is doing a good job, but also that he has committed crimes that he should be punished for. The grounds for impeachment, after all, are not "he is doing badly". It's "he committed high crimes or misdemeanours"

True, that is. Though doing your job properly is intertwined with not committing such high crimes and misdemeanors.

Well, in our mind, certainly. However, there are people with less respect for the ideals of a liberal democracy like the US, who see 'following the law' as not a prerequisite for being a good leader.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:09 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The South Falls wrote:True, that is. Though doing your job properly is intertwined with not committing such high crimes and misdemeanors.

Well, in our mind, certainly. However, there are people with less respect for the ideals of a liberal democracy like the US, who see 'following the law' as not a prerequisite for being a good leader.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:11 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The South Falls wrote:True, that is. Though doing your job properly is intertwined with not committing such high crimes and misdemeanors.

Well, in our mind, certainly. However, there are people with less respect for the ideals of a liberal democracy like the US, who see 'following the law' as not a prerequisite for being a good leader.


I think that's most people.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:50 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The South Falls wrote:True, that is. Though doing your job properly is intertwined with not committing such high crimes and misdemeanors.

Well, in our mind, certainly. However, there are people with less respect for the ideals of a liberal democracy like the US, who see 'following the law' as not a prerequisite for being a good leader.


Most people don't give about that. They just want a clean-cut person with a pretty face who's charismatic enough for them to relate to.

If JFK was bald and fat, no one would've given a shit about him.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:12 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Well, in our mind, certainly. However, there are people with less respect for the ideals of a liberal democracy like the US, who see 'following the law' as not a prerequisite for being a good leader.


Most people don't give about that. They just want a clean-cut person with a pretty face who's charismatic enough for them to relate to.

If JFK was bald and fat, no one would've given a shit about him.

Martin Van Buren was none of those things.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:18 pm

Kowani wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Most people don't give about that. They just want a clean-cut person with a pretty face who's charismatic enough for them to relate to.

If JFK was bald and fat, no one would've given a shit about him.

Martin Van Buren was none of those things.

He wasn't very tall, though. Neither was James Madison, who never weighed more a hundred pounds.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:33 pm


Even Nixon had higher approval than him. Sad!

But Obama having more approval than him is sure to set Donnie off, assuming his bootlickers aren't hiding it from him.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:54 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Martin Van Buren was none of those things.

He wasn't very tall, though. Neither was James Madison, who never weighed more a hundred pounds.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:56 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Well, in our mind, certainly. However, there are people with less respect for the ideals of a liberal democracy like the US, who see 'following the law' as not a prerequisite for being a good leader.

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Mr. Putin, you should let you representative handle such matters. The President is working towards your cause.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:57 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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Mr. Putin, you should let you representative handle such matters. The President is working towards your cause.

"I am the President!" scowls Putin. "10 years in gulag."
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:05 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Mr. Putin, you should let you representative handle such matters. The President is working towards your cause.

"I am the President!" scowls Putin. "10 years in gulag."


HEY*pistol whipped and dragged off*
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:18 pm

Saw the comments of Trumps mother being a Scot. My wife mentioned, have you ever noticed a picture of her? I did a minor look of photos and see Fred prominently display. Mary is missing.

Political had an article on this:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... and-215779
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:23 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Saw the comments of Trumps mother being a Scot. My wife mentioned, have you ever noticed a picture of her? I did a minor look of photos and see Fred prominently display. Mary is missing.

Political had an article on this:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... and-215779

There's a picture in the Wiki article on her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Anne_MacLeod_Trump
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Postby Trumpisslavia » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:04 pm

Anyone betting on him saying something stupid about the rest of the royal family if he returns to Washington? The fact of his motorcade having so few people congregating to see him must grate at him.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:14 pm

Trumpisslavia wrote:Anyone betting on him saying something stupid about the rest of the royal family if he returns to Washington? The fact of his motorcade having so few people congregating to see him must grate at him.

A bet involves uncertainty.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:37 am

So, they're thinking of cutting the interest rates due to the trade wars and other economic woes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trade-risk ... 1559640601

Yeah, by 2021 or 2022, we'll be in a recession. Earliest is 2020 though, but all of this is my opinion based on what I see, and what my dad as a banker is telling me.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:40 am

Zurkerx wrote:So, they're thinking of cutting the interest rates due to the trade wars and other economic woes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trade-risk ... 1559640601

Yeah, by 2021 or 2022, we'll be in a recession. Earliest is 2020 though, but all of this is my opinion based on what I see, and what my dad as a banker is telling me.

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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:42 am

Zurkerx wrote:So, they're thinking of cutting the interest rates due to the trade wars and other economic woes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trade-risk ... 1559640601

Yeah, by 2021 or 2022, we'll be in a recession. Earliest is 2020 though, but all of this is my opinion based on what I see, and what my dad as a banker is telling me.

Assuming it doesn't happen in 2020 or Donnie doesn't wreck the nation into a Balkanized doomsday prepper's wet dream by then, a Democrat in the White House is all but guaranteed in 2024 if W. Bush's tenure is any indication.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:43 am

Zurkerx wrote:So, they're thinking of cutting the interest rates due to the trade wars and other economic woes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trade-risk ... 1559640601

Yeah, by 2021 or 2022, we'll be in a recession. Earliest is 2020 though, but all of this is my opinion based on what I see, and what my dad as a banker is telling me.


Oh boy, I love recessions... :roll:
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:09 am

Gormwood wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:So, they're thinking of cutting the interest rates due to the trade wars and other economic woes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trade-risk ... 1559640601

Yeah, by 2021 or 2022, we'll be in a recession. Earliest is 2020 though, but all of this is my opinion based on what I see, and what my dad as a banker is telling me.

Assuming it doesn't happen in 2020 or Donnie doesn't wreck the nation into a Balkanized doomsday prepper's wet dream by then, a Democrat in the White House is all but guaranteed in 2024 if W. Bush's tenure is any indication.


Aye, but what if a Democrat wins 2020? Because if that happens, it all but guarantees a Republican will win in 2024. Ah, this is going to be pick your poison kind of scenario, isn't it?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:11 am

Telconi wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:So, they're thinking of cutting the interest rates due to the trade wars and other economic woes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trade-risk ... 1559640601

Yeah, by 2021 or 2022, we'll be in a recession. Earliest is 2020 though, but all of this is my opinion based on what I see, and what my dad as a banker is telling me.


Oh boy, I love recessions... :roll:


Depends on severity really, they are bound to happen.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:39 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Assuming it doesn't happen in 2020 or Donnie doesn't wreck the nation into a Balkanized doomsday prepper's wet dream by then, a Democrat in the White House is all but guaranteed in 2024 if W. Bush's tenure is any indication.


Aye, but what if a Democrat wins 2020? Because if that happens, it all but guarantees a Republican will win in 2024. Ah, this is going to be pick your poison kind of scenario, isn't it?


It doesn't really, if the recession hits in 2021 then there'll be a dip, sure, but loads of time for recovery by promotimg stimulus and whathaveyou. 2022 is a tad trickier and you'd have to give up on the midterms wholesale, but that doesn't rule out 2024.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:40 am

Valrifell wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Aye, but what if a Democrat wins 2020? Because if that happens, it all but guarantees a Republican will win in 2024. Ah, this is going to be pick your poison kind of scenario, isn't it?


It doesn't really, if the recession hits in 2021 then there'll be a dip, sure, but loads of time for recovery by promotimg stimulus and whathaveyou. 2022 is a tad trickier and you'd have to give up on the midterms wholesale, but that doesn't rule out 2024.


Recession seems less of an issue than the handling thereof.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:47 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Oh boy, I love recessions... :roll:


Depends on severity really, they are bound to happen.


Remember, recessions are natural and cannot be blamed on anyone, but Trump must have all the credit for any improvement in the economy. :roll:

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