MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Valrifell]

It's obviously a joke. OBVIOUSLY.

What would be wrong if it wasn't a joke? Like, the 22nd is inherently undemocratic and I thought most in this thread claimed to be all for American democracy and muh popular vote and whatnot.

Term limits aren't undemocratic at all, imho.

[Bombadil]

So Trump's getting kudos for..

1. Cancelling a meeting with the Taliban around the 9/11 anniversary - good job Don!
2. Firing a recognised warmonger he hired in the first place.. or did he resign.. who knows.. anyway - good job Don
3. Quadrupling down on altering a map with a Sharpie

Pretty good week.

Ah shit, it's only Wednesday morning..

[Confederate Norway]

What would be wrong if it wasn't a joke? Like, the 22nd is inherently undemocratic and I thought most in this thread claimed to be all for American democracy and muh popular vote and whatnot.

Term limits aren't undemocratic at all, imho.

It is in a way. If someone wanted to be president for more than two terms and the majority of the people wanted them to be president they could not run again. Imagine if we had term limits when FDR was president, If we had terms back then he would not of been president during ww2. Because of term limits we keep on getting shitty presidents when we could of kept one we already had.

[Fartsniffage]

Term limits aren't undemocratic at all, imho.

It is in a way. If someone wanted to be president for more than two terms and the majority of the people wanted them to be president they could not run again. Imagine if we had term limits when FDR was president, If we had terms back then he would not of been president during ww2. Because of term limits we keep on getting shitty presidents when we could of kept one we already had.

On the flip side, passing a constitutional amendment is much harder than just electing a new president. People must have really felt it was worth it when they passed the 22nd. Democracy at work.

[Confederate Norway]

It is in a way. If someone wanted to be president for more than two terms and the majority of the people wanted them to be president they could not run again. Imagine if we had term limits when FDR was president, If we had terms back then he would not of been president during ww2. Because of term limits we keep on getting shitty presidents when we could of kept one we already had.

On the flip side, passing a constitutional amendment is much harder than just electing a new president. People must have really felt it was worth it when they passed the 22nd. Democracy at work.

The Politicians did it not the people. Politicians have a long history of doing shitty jobs. You are right though, democratically elected politicians did change it.

[The Black Forrest]

On the flip side, passing a constitutional amendment is much harder than just electing a new president. People must have really felt it was worth it when they passed the 22nd. Democracy at work.

The Politicians did it not the people. Politicians have a long history of doing shitty jobs. You are right though, democratically elected politicians did change it.

Eh? You think the politicians put in the 22nd amendment all by themselves? Not how it works....

[Zhivotnoye]

Ready to have everybody else’s children fight his wars is not heroic.

Wanting to put America first and protecting everything we hold dear is heroic. Sorry to burst your leftist bubble.

And what exactly is it you hold dear? War? Bullying smaller nations? Laying waste to said smaller nations? The hypocrisy that comes with it?
And how did Bolton protect that?

The Iraqi Occupation was a smashing success now? Oh right, recent account. Totally not trying to stir shit up.

Yes it was, we toppled a brutal dictator and brought democracy and capitalism to the region. Our only mistake was leaving to early without establishing a stable government. Unless you thought the invasion was bad?

A dictator you supported previously, A dictator not that much different from dictators you still support today, one you could have stopped years before when he was committing his worst crimes, sure.

Democracy? Hardly, it's a complete wild west out there where the government has barely any control over the country.
Capitalism? No you didn't.

War is sometimes necessary, but using it as a go-to option will have the opposite effect. You piss off the world, and you'll find you have way more national security threats and far less allies. Better to exhaust peaceful diplomatic solutions before resorting to violence.

Diplomatic solutions are no use with North Korea, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, Russia or China, they've openly expressed that they want to slaughter every last American man, woman and child. This can't be tolerated and if Trump had balls he would actually do something about it and not pussyfoot around like a coward.

1) And on what exactly do you base your assumption that diplomacy would not work with those nations? Or are you just making stuff up on the go to vilify them?

2) Please, show me some sources where the leaders of these nations expressed that they wanted to slaughter every last american man, woman and child. Good luck.

So, you honestly believe going to war with North Korea, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, Russia, and China will safeguard American lives and not say... Lead to a global thermonuclear holocaust that eradicates the Free World?

North Korea, Syria, Iran and Venezuela will be easy, they've got shit militaries and would be crushed within weeks. Russia and China will be a difficult I will admit, that's why I believe cooperation with our allies and funding freedom fighters within will be essential in toppling their regimes.

Ah yes, 'easy' the most well known quote of every professional Call of Duty player, which also sums up about the knowledge you have of warfare i suppose.

Let's go over these quickly:
-North Korea: A nuclear power that can call upon seven million people to fight, of which one million are professionally trained. A country that can, and will destroy most of its neighbours capital in case of war, leaving hundreds of thousands, if not millions dead.
-Syria: If Iraq and Afghanistan where fun places to stay, be prepared for another adventure of a few decades without progress.
-Iran: Imagine Afghanistan, but much bigger, with a lot more mountains, and a much, much stronger guerilla force. (Let's also not forget how you had to cheat to win against them in MC02)
-Venezuela: Imagine Vietnam, but much bigger, and with a much stronger guerilla force.

Yes, all very 'easy'. I believe you claimed it was a matter of weeks, and i agree. But the question remains, how many weeks? 1.000? 2.000?

Last but not least, which 'allies' do you believe would be retarded enough to join the U.S. on this imaginary journey to take down the evil boogymen of Russia and China?

[Aclion]

The Politicians did it not the people. Politicians have a long history of doing shitty jobs. You are right though, democratically elected politicians did change it.

Eh? You think the politicians put in the 22nd amendment all by themselves? Not how it works....

The only amendment passed by anyone other then politicians was the 21st.


This is why schools need to teach civics *grumble grumble*

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If I didn't have work tomorrow, I'd celebrate like a major holiday. In a just world, he would face war crimes charges. After they screw her out of the Democratic presidential nomination, Trump should hire Tulsi Gabbard for the position. I can't believe a staunch supporter of the Vietnam war who himself dodged the draft could have the ear of so many administrations.

"OnLy HiGherS tHe BeSt PeOpLe"

Bolton has been a fixture in some way since the Reagan administration. Are you old enough to be here? Last I checked, 13 was the youngest you could be to post.

Trump shouldn't still have hired him in the first place, so that really misses the point.


Do you not know memes?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The Iraqi Occupation was a smashing success now? Oh right, recent account. Totally not trying to stir shit up.

Yes it was, we toppled a brutal dictator and brought democracy and capitalism to the region. Our only mistake was leaving to early without establishing a stable government. Unless you thought the invasion was bad?

You went in, shot a bunch of people while geting your own solders shot and dead for a war you never needed to be in, got in a new unstable shitty goverment that went over about as well as the Weimar Republic, didn't do anything to give the Iraqi people education or a functioning eccomey or an upgraded infrastructure. Then on top of all that you dissmissed the old Iraqi army and let a bunch of angry guys with guns go with out jobs. Oh and you didn't change the backwards culture that still thought excuteing gays was a good idea.

Then when the inevtable power vacuum came and bought ISIS with it we are supposed to look back on the Iraq war as a good thing? The people who started the Iraq war are directly responsible for the rise of a genocidal terrorist group.

[The Black Forrest]

Eh? You think the politicians put in the 22nd amendment all by themselves? Not how it works....

The only amendment passed by anyone other then politicians was the 21st.


This is why schools need to teach civics *grumble grumble*

Civics by it self is as boring as fuck. I took an experimental course 2 year ap course which combined history and civics.

The problem is CN is making is sound like the house and the senate said “hey I know what; let’s have an amendment today” It’s not that simple and you know it. We would have an amendment defining marriage if that was the case.

[The Black Forrest]

If I didn't have work tomorrow, I'd celebrate like a major holiday. In a just world, he would face war crimes charges. After they screw her out of the Democratic presidential nomination, Trump should hire Tulsi Gabbard for the position. I can't believe a staunch supporter of the Vietnam war who himself dodged the draft could have the ear of so many administrations.


Bolton has been a fixture in some way since the Reagan administration. Are you old enough to be here? Last I checked, 13 was the youngest you could be to post.

Trump shouldn't still have hired him in the first place, so that really misses the point.


Do you not know memes?

I know this will be a shock. Trump is a horrible leader. Look for a list of people he had. Massive turn over.....

[Totally Not OEP]

It is in a way. If someone wanted to be president for more than two terms and the majority of the people wanted them to be president they could not run again. Imagine if we had term limits when FDR was president, If we had terms back then he would not of been president during ww2. Because of term limits we keep on getting shitty presidents when we could of kept one we already had.

On the flip side, passing a constitutional amendment is much harder than just electing a new president. People must have really felt it was worth it when they passed the 22nd. Democracy at work.

GOP was terrified of another FDR, Dems were afraid Ike was going to be President until he died. Pure politics, rather than some organic idea.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

According to the NYT, Trump was tired of Bolton's warmongery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/10/us/p ... trump.html

Even zombie Teddy Roosevelt himself would get tired of Bolton’s warmongery.

[Bear Stearns]

It is in a way. If someone wanted to be president for more than two terms and the majority of the people wanted them to be president they could not run again. Imagine if we had term limits when FDR was president, If we had terms back then he would not of been president during ww2. Because of term limits we keep on getting shitty presidents when we could of kept one we already had.

On the flip side, passing a constitutional amendment is much harder than just electing a new president. People must have really felt it was worth it when they passed the 22nd. Democracy at work.

There was a somewhat legitimate fear that FDR wanted to be a president-for-life.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I'm with Aristotle on term limits

"it is not easy for a person to do any great harm when his tenure of office is short, whereas long possession begets tyranny in oligarchies and democracies"

[Ifreann]

On the flip side, passing a constitutional amendment is much harder than just electing a new president. People must have really felt it was worth it when they passed the 22nd. Democracy at work.

There was a somewhat legitimate fear that FDR wanted to be a president-for-life.

Imagine how terrible it would have been for FDR to keep getting elected until he died in office.

[West Leas Oros 2]

There was a somewhat legitimate fear that FDR wanted to be a president-for-life.

Imagine how terrible it would have been for FDR to keep getting elected until he died in office.

Wait

[Ifreann]

Imagine how terrible it would have been for FDR to keep getting elected until he died in office.

Wait

I might have imagined the darkest possible alternate history.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Trump shouldn't still have hired him in the first place, so that really misses the point.


Do you not know memes?

I know this will be a shock. Trump is a horrible leader. Look for a list of people he had. Massive turn over.....

Yes that's why I memed about it in the first place

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm with Aristotle on term limits

"it is not easy for a person to do any great harm when his tenure of office is short, whereas long possession begets tyranny in oligarchies and democracies"

Of course, this cuts both ways. It's not easy for a person to do any significant good if their tenure is short.
Having less time to do things is nothing more than that - less time to do things. Time in office is power, plain and simple. Restricting a leader's power for no reason other than to restrict their power doesn't make leaders good, it just makes them ineffective. It makes it hard for the leader to become tyrannical, yes, but it also makes it harder for them to stop tyranny from outside sources. There's a reason the United States abandoned the Articles of Confederation even though one of the main points of the Revolution was that central government is bad.
That's not to say that leaders should have unlimited power or even just unlimited terms - I personally think that term limits are a very good idea - but I am saying that, well, Aristotle was kind of full of shit (let's not forget, he thought that men were smarter than women because women have fewer teeth - A, teeth have nothing to do with intelligence, and B, men and women have the same number of them anyway) and we shouldn't base modern politics on the teachings of long-dead philosophers.

[Zurkerx]

Trump says Fed ‘boneheads’ should cut interest rates to zero ‘or less,’ US should refinance debt

Oh, my brain! This is a terrible idea that should be scrapped. This would no doubt hurt the economy.

Not to mention, wouldn't lowering interest rates basically undermine his argument that the economy is the strongest across the globe? Just saying.

[Gormwood]

Trump says Fed ‘boneheads’ should cut interest rates to zero ‘or less,’ US should refinance debt

Oh, my brain! This is a terrible idea that should be scrapped. This would no doubt hurt the economy.

Not to mention, wouldn't lowering interest rates basically undermine his argument that the economy is the strongest across the globe? Just saying.

But muh infinite-D chess!

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I'm with Aristotle on term limits

"it is not easy for a person to do any great harm when his tenure of office is short, whereas long possession begets tyranny in oligarchies and democracies"

Of course, this cuts both ways. It's not easy for a person to do any significant good if their tenure is short.
Having less time to do things is nothing more than that - less time to do things. Time in office is power, plain and simple. Restricting a leader's power for no reason other than to restrict their power doesn't make leaders good, it just makes them ineffective. It makes it hard for the leader to become tyrannical, yes, but it also makes it harder for them to stop tyranny from outside sources. There's a reason the United States abandoned the Articles of Confederation even though one of the main points of the Revolution was that central government is bad.
That's not to say that leaders should have unlimited power or even just unlimited terms - I personally think that term limits are a very good idea - but I am saying that, well, Aristotle was kind of full of shit (let's not forget, he thought that men were smarter than women because women have fewer teeth - A, teeth have nothing to do with intelligence, and B, men and women have the same number of them anyway) and we shouldn't base modern politics on the teachings of long-dead philosophers.

You've obviously not seen the proof in the diagram where Aristotle drew extra teeth and a bigger brain on a picture of a man using a sharpie.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Of course, this cuts both ways. It's not easy for a person to do any significant good if their tenure is short.
Having less time to do things is nothing more than that - less time to do things. Time in office is power, plain and simple. Restricting a leader's power for no reason other than to restrict their power doesn't make leaders good, it just makes them ineffective. It makes it hard for the leader to become tyrannical, yes, but it also makes it harder for them to stop tyranny from outside sources. There's a reason the United States abandoned the Articles of Confederation even though one of the main points of the Revolution was that central government is bad.
That's not to say that leaders should have unlimited power or even just unlimited terms - I personally think that term limits are a very good idea - but I am saying that, well, Aristotle was kind of full of shit (let's not forget, he thought that men were smarter than women because women have fewer teeth - A, teeth have nothing to do with intelligence, and B, men and women have the same number of them anyway) and we shouldn't base modern politics on the teachings of long-dead philosophers.

You've obviously not seen the proof in the diagram where Aristotle drew extra teeth and a bigger brain on a picture of a man using a sharpie.

Can't argue with that.