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Vassenor wrote:Trump called for the Twenty-Second Amendment to be repealed again.

Ignore what he says and watch what he does.

Telconi wrote:

Gormwood wrote:But the current Jenga Tower of corruption and incompetence was clearly worth telling Hillary to suck dick and owning the libs.

Your sexual fantasies aside, essentially yes.

Dude.....even you are better then this.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Your sexual fantasies aside, essentially yes.

Dude.....even you are better then this.

Than Gauth's sexual fantasies?

Vassenor wrote:Trump called for the Twenty-Second Amendment to be repealed again.

Did he?
"Under the normal rules, I'll be out by 2024, so we may have to go for an extra term."
Sounds more like he thinks he can just somehow not obey the normal rules.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:It's obviously a joke. OBVIOUSLY.

What would be wrong if it wasn't a joke? Like, the 22nd is inherently undemocratic and I thought most in this thread claimed to be all for American democracy and muh popular vote and whatnot.

He's right, term limits are bad. If you don't like a politician, vote them out.

Of course, in Trump's case he's breaking laws left and right so he should really just be sent to prison.

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Proctopeo wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Three Obama terms.

And if the Will of the People mattered Trump never would've been President.

And Sanders would've been the Democratic nominee instead of Clinton.

This is the Trump thread, yo.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:It's obviously a joke. OBVIOUSLY.

What would be wrong if it wasn't a joke? Like, the 22nd is inherently undemocratic and I thought most in this thread claimed to be all for American democracy and muh popular vote and whatnot.

Hmmm? If I remember right you don’t like FDR? Can you imagine 3-4 terms of Clinton? Obama on a third term?

22nd is fine.

Don’t forget politics is a pendulum. You may like trump for a third term; you will not like what ever the next democrat could happen for a third term.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
What would be wrong if it wasn't a joke? Like, the 22nd is inherently undemocratic and I thought most in this thread claimed to be all for American democracy and muh popular vote and whatnot.

Hmmm? If I remember right you don’t like FDR? Can you imagine 3-4 terms of Clinton? Obama on a third term?

22nd is fine.

Don’t forget politics is a pendulum. You may like trump for a third term; you will not like what ever the next democrat could happen for a third term.

If the swings are slower, it's still a pendulum.

GlobalControl wrote:Wanting to start wars with anyone is a bad idea in general, especially nations that are not only dirt poor, but aren't going to take US occupation lightly or well at all. We shouldn't be pursuing conflicts that will lead to nothing good in the end, and the use of arms is a last resort, not a go-to.

Wasting tax dollars and lives for useless invasions like one of Venezuela would be is one of the reasons I'm glad Warhawks and Corrupt Politicians get removed from power.

There should be no issue, because there probably will be no US occupation even necessary. Venezuela has almost everything perfect for an overnight regime change and new leadership can only make conditions there better and not worse- if Venezuela is already doing poorly because of hyperinflation. A war with Iran is far more unfavorable and difficult than the opportunity Venezuela currently presents what with its internal unrest.

A war with Venezuela will be as easy as the 1991 Gulf war was, if not even quicker and easier. The objective should be to not hold any territory, but to simply depose that existing government by force, and installing an opposition government who'll take control just as we leave within a week to a few days.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
What would be wrong if it wasn't a joke? Like, the 22nd is inherently undemocratic and I thought most in this thread claimed to be all for American democracy and muh popular vote and whatnot.

Hmmm? If I remember right you don’t like FDR? Can you imagine 3-4 terms of Clinton? Obama on a third term?

22nd is fine.

Don’t forget politics is a pendulum. You may like trump for a third term; you will not like what ever the next democrat could happen for a third term.

If only there was some kind of mechanism for removing politicians from office.

Did you say fire ?
Ayeaye mister president. Firing nukes !

Ifreann wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm? If I remember right you don’t like FDR? Can you imagine 3-4 terms of Clinton? Obama on a third term?

22nd is fine.

Don’t forget politics is a pendulum. You may like trump for a third term; you will not like what ever the next democrat could happen for a third term.

If only there was some kind of mechanism for removing politicians from office.

Silly pleb! That would mean I would have to do something!

Saiwania wrote:

GlobalControl wrote:Wanting to start wars with anyone is a bad idea in general, especially nations that are not only dirt poor, but aren't going to take US occupation lightly or well at all. We shouldn't be pursuing conflicts that will lead to nothing good in the end, and the use of arms is a last resort, not a go-to.

Wasting tax dollars and lives for useless invasions like one of Venezuela would be is one of the reasons I'm glad Warhawks and Corrupt Politicians get removed from power.

There should be no issue, because there probably will be no US occupation even necessary. Venezuela has almost everything perfect for an overnight regime change and new leadership can only make conditions there better and not worse- if Venezuela is already doing poorly because of hyperinflation. A war with Iran is far more unfavorable and difficult than the opportunity Venezuela currently presents what with its internal unrest.

A war with Venezuela will be as easy as the 1991 Gulf war was, if not even quicker and easier. The objective should be to not hold any territory, but to simply depose that existing government by force, and installing an opposition government who'll take control just as we leave within a week to a few days.

It's like you think South America forgot the Chile coup.

There's a developing tropical system in the Caribbean; since it's currently projected to be moving into the Gulf of Mexico, and toward the Florida panhandle and Alabama, where does that mean Trump will claim it's going?

Maineiacs wrote:There's a developing tropical system in the Caribbean; since it's currently projected to be moving into the Gulf of Mexico, and toward the Florida panhandle and Alabama, where does that mean Trump will claim it's going?

Idaho

Maineiacs wrote:There's a developing tropical system in the Caribbean; since it's currently projected to be moving into the Gulf of Mexico, and toward the Florida panhandle and Alabama, where does that mean Trump will claim it's going?

Wyoming. *nod*

Saiwania wrote:

GlobalControl wrote:Wanting to start wars with anyone is a bad idea in general, especially nations that are not only dirt poor, but aren't going to take US occupation lightly or well at all. We shouldn't be pursuing conflicts that will lead to nothing good in the end, and the use of arms is a last resort, not a go-to.

Wasting tax dollars and lives for useless invasions like one of Venezuela would be is one of the reasons I'm glad Warhawks and Corrupt Politicians get removed from power.

There should be no issue, because there probably will be no US occupation even necessary. Venezuela has almost everything perfect for an overnight regime change and new leadership can only make conditions there better and not worse- if Venezuela is already doing poorly because of hyperinflation. A war with Iran is far more unfavorable and difficult than the opportunity Venezuela currently presents what with its internal unrest.

A war with Venezuela will be as easy as the 1991 Gulf war was, if not even quicker and easier. The objective should be to not hold any territory, but to simply depose that existing government by force, and installing an opposition government who'll take control just as we leave within a week to a few days.

Everything you just said is wrong(save I guess the Iran bit, but that's not really relevant) and displays both a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation Venezuela is in, and as well confidence in American will to engage in more war and waste the lives of good men and women and billions of dollars over what *will* become a costly occupation and be ultimately unpopular in America and the rest of the world most likely as well.

Maineiacs wrote:There's a developing tropical system in the Caribbean; since it's currently projected to be moving into the Gulf of Mexico, and toward the Florida panhandle and Alabama, where does that mean Trump will claim it's going?

Meh, there's three of them, none of which seem to be of any significant issue.

Merged Bolton topic in to the thread

GlobalControl wrote:Everything you just said is wrong and displays both a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation Venezuela is in, and as well confidence in American will to engage in more war and waste the lives of good men and women and billions of dollars over what *will* become a costly occupation and be ultimately unpopular in America and the rest of the world most likely as well.

It's not wrong, if Venezuela is already a broken country, it can't be meaningfully be broken any more than it already is; if more drastic actions were taken. Enough of Venezuela's population thinks that the Maduro regime sucks and all we got to do is kick the rotten structure down.

I envision a rapid campaign to seize the capital, then all there is to do is install the new government whilst the old one is purged, and we can leave within a week if not less. The Venezuelan military as it stands, can't put up much opposition, half or more would defect to despose Maduro if they sense that their defeat is inevitable. They don't care about Maduro himself or the Bolivarian ideology. What they want is their social status and economic standing preserved.

Saiwania wrote:

GlobalControl wrote:Everything you just said is wrong and displays both a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation Venezuela is in, and as well confidence in American will to engage in more war and waste the lives of good men and women and billions of dollars over what *will* become a costly occupation and be ultimately unpopular in America and the rest of the world most likely as well.

It's not wrong, if Venezuela is already a broken country, it can't be meaningfully be broken any more than it already is; if more drastic actions were taken. Enough of Venezuela's population thinks that the Maduro regime sucks and all we got to do is kick the rotten structure down.

I envision a rapid campaign to seize the capital, then all there is to do is install the new government whilst the old one is purged, and we can leave within a week if not less. The Venezuelan military as it stands, can't put up much opposition, half or more would defect to despose Maduro if they sense that their defeat is inevitable. They don't care about Maduro himself or the Bolivarian ideology. What they want is their social status and economic standing preserved.

The Iraqi Army was no match for Murika either.

Saiwania wrote:

GlobalControl wrote:Everything you just said is wrong and displays both a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation Venezuela is in, and as well confidence in American will to engage in more war and waste the lives of good men and women and billions of dollars over what *will* become a costly occupation and be ultimately unpopular in America and the rest of the world most likely as well.

It's not wrong, if Venezuela is already a broken country, it can't be meaningfully be broken any more than it already is; if more drastic actions were taken. Enough of Venezuela's population thinks that the Maduro regime sucks and all we got to do is kick the rotten structure down.

I envision a rapid campaign to seize the capital, then all there is to do is install the new government whilst the old one is purged, and we can leave within a week if not less. The Venezuelan military as it stands, can't put up much opposition, half or more would defect to despose Maduro if they sense that their defeat is inevitable. They don't care about Maduro himself or the Bolivarian ideology. What they want is their social status and economic standing preserved.

America's record for regime change are 2 masses of infected Islamism for 2 campaigns in this century alone. Ftr.

Grand Britannia wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:"OnLy HiGherS tHe BeSt PeOpLe"

Hires*

Ty I was on mobile and I suck at spelling


"OnLy HIrEs tHe BeSt PeOpLe"

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Saiwania wrote:
It's not wrong, if Venezuela is already a broken country, it can't be meaningfully be broken any more than it already is; if more drastic actions were taken. Enough of Venezuela's population thinks that the Maduro regime sucks and all we got to do is kick the rotten structure down.

I envision a rapid campaign to seize the capital, then all there is to do is install the new government whilst the old one is purged, and we can leave within a week if not less. The Venezuelan military as it stands, can't put up much opposition, half or more would defect to despose Maduro if they sense that their defeat is inevitable. They don't care about Maduro himself or the Bolivarian ideology. What they want is their social status and economic standing preserved.

America's record for regime change are 2 masses of infected Islamism for 2 campaigns in this century alone. Ftr.

It would be black comedy if an invasion of Venezuela resulted in an explosion of South American Islamism.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Saiwania wrote:
It's not wrong, if Venezuela is already a broken country, it can't be meaningfully be broken any more than it already is; if more drastic actions were taken. Enough of Venezuela's population thinks that the Maduro regime sucks and all we got to do is kick the rotten structure down.

I envision a rapid campaign to seize the capital, then all there is to do is install the new government whilst the old one is purged, and we can leave within a week if not less. The Venezuelan military as it stands, can't put up much opposition, half or more would defect to despose Maduro if they sense that their defeat is inevitable. They don't care about Maduro himself or the Bolivarian ideology. What they want is their social status and economic standing preserved.

America's record for regime change are 2 masses of infected Islamism for 2 campaigns in this century alone. Ftr.

Also Gulf War was a resounding success because the War Goals were limited. Iraq and Afghanistan has become memes in futility and pointless expenditure of human lives exactly because America attempted to wage Kulturkampf by the sword and met a people wholly alien to common concepts Americans take for granted, and possessed concepts wholly alien to Americans.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:America's record for regime change are 2 masses of infected Islamism for 2 campaigns in this century alone. Ftr.

Also Gulf War was a resounding success because the War Goals were limited. Iraq and Afghanistan has become memes in futility and pointless expenditure of human lives exactly because America attempted to wage Kulturkampf by the sword and met a people wholly alien to common concepts Americans take for granted, and possessed concepts wholly alien to Americans.

Schwartzkopf wanted to go all the way to Baghdad but Poppy Bush said "No". And Bush 2 proved him right.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Ifreann wrote:If only there was some kind of mechanism for removing politicians from office.

Silly pleb! That would mean I would have to do something!

You're right, I'm a fool.