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Postby San Lumen » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:47 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah those Jewish groups and the Prime Minister condemned his comments for no reason


Condemning a person's comments doesn't make them Hitler.

Not my problem if you want to deny bigotry and racism when its so blatant.

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Postby Andsed » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:47 am

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Because, once again, the people don't want it sold. There may only be 56,000 people on the island, but other countries have fought wars over smaller land with much fewer people on them. The people's wishes shouldn't be ignored for a land and mineral grabbing scheme that's meant to inflate Trump's ego.

Greenland is very important. It is a good middle point and serves the potential for many strategic decisions, as well as economic prosperity. They haven't put it to use and they're military is weak enough that it would be a freebie for invaders. Their language and currency problems are absurd clings to tradition.

If someone successfully organized an area 51 style event, we could probably take them all on with our militia (even if only a few showed up) Finding enough supplies in Greenland would literally be the only issue. It's that pathetic. With all that value, nothing is being done to protect or use Greenland. The Russians could be in Nuuk within a day and have a great advantage over NATO.

And that makes it okay to override the will of those living on Greenland who don´t want to be sold?
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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:52 am

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Condemning a person's comments doesn't make them Hitler.

Not my problem if you want to deny bigotry and racism when its so blatant.


It's not bigotry remember. And Democrat voting Jews aren't a race.
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Postby GLDF » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:09 am

Andsed wrote:
GLDF wrote:Greenland is very important. It is a good middle point and serves the potential for many strategic decisions, as well as economic prosperity. They haven't put it to use and they're military is weak enough that it would be a freebie for invaders. Their language and currency problems are absurd clings to tradition.

If someone successfully organized an area 51 style event, we could probably take them all on with our militia (even if only a few showed up) Finding enough supplies in Greenland would literally be the only issue. It's that pathetic. With all that value, nothing is being done to protect or use Greenland. The Russians could be in Nuuk within a day and have a great advantage over NATO.

And that makes it okay to override the will of those living on Greenland who don´t want to be sold?

People aren't being sold. The land is. They can choose not to accept being American.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:10 am

GLDF wrote:
Andsed wrote:And that makes it okay to override the will of those living on Greenland who don´t want to be sold?

People aren't being sold. The land is. They can choose not to accept being American.

The land isn't being sold.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Condemning a person's comments doesn't make them Hitler.

Not my problem if you want to deny bigotry and racism when its so blatant.


Lumen, Iffy already clocked what Tel is doing and has been doing. Why the fuck do yoy still take the bait?
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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:21 am

GLDF wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Because, once again, the people don't want it sold. There may only be 56,000 people on the island, but other countries have fought wars over smaller land with much fewer people on them. The people's wishes shouldn't be ignored for a land and mineral grabbing scheme that's meant to inflate Trump's ego.

Greenland is very important. It is a good middle point and serves the potential for many strategic decisions, as well as economic prosperity. They haven't put it to use and they're military is weak enough that it would be a freebie for invaders. Their language and currency problems are absurd clings to tradition.

If someone successfully organized an area 51 style event, we could probably take them all on with our militia (even if only a few showed up) Finding enough supplies in Greenland would literally be the only issue. It's that pathetic. With all that value, nothing is being done to protect or use Greenland. The Russians could be in Nuuk within a day and have a great advantage over NATO.

Edit: I'm not telling anyone to take up arms and invade Greenland. You might be able to, but it's not a great idea.

I’m sure invading our allies would go over marvelously.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:26 am

Valrifell wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Not my problem if you want to deny bigotry and racism when its so blatant.


Lumen, Iffy already clocked what Tel is doing and has been doing. Why the fuck do yoy still take the bait?


"Clocked"? Never heard that one, I just learned a new word for "made shit up"
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:34 am

Valrifell wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Not my problem if you want to deny bigotry and racism when its so blatant.


Lumen, Iffy already clocked what Tel is doing and has been doing. Why the fuck do yoy still take the bait?

I think they're locked in some kind of terrible symbiosis.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:02 am

Valrifell wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Not my problem if you want to deny bigotry and racism when its so blatant.


Lumen, Iffy already clocked what Tel is doing and has been doing. Why the fuck do yoy still take the bait?


if you think its baiting go ahead and report it.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:04 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Lumen, Iffy already clocked what Tel is doing and has been doing. Why the fuck do yoy still take the bait?


if you think its baiting go ahead and report it.


He doesn't he just pretends he does when he wants to end a conversation.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:16 am

Telconi wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
if you think its baiting go ahead and report it.


He doesn't he just pretends he does when he wants to end a conversation.

Going off what WRA said isn’t what I would call pretending m8.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:17 am

Uiiop wrote:
Telconi wrote:
He doesn't he just pretends he does when he wants to end a conversation.

Going off what WRA said isn’t what I would call pretending m8.


Okay?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:21 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Lumen, Iffy already clocked what Tel is doing and has been doing. Why the fuck do yoy still take the bait?


if you think its baiting go ahead and report it.

I sense that “bait” was used as a figure of speech, I.e. “bait them into this conversation”.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:23 am

Telconi wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Going off what WRA said isn’t what I would call pretending m8.


Okay?

He thinks so based on what WRA’s says about you.
Kinda needs more to be dealt with than “Okay?”
Along with the fact you said turnabout is fair play when I brought this up last time.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:27 am

Uiiop wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Okay?

He thinks so based on what WRA’s says about you.
Kinda needs more to be dealt with than “Okay?”
Along with the fact you said turnabout is fair play when I brought this up last time.


Why he thinks what he thinks is irrelevant to rather his thoughts are correct.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:28 am

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San Lumen wrote:
No he did not say however what Trump said is very similar to what Hitler said which was Jews are not loyal to the state.

The thing is, Trump didn't say that. He said Jews "that vote democrat" (which is, at this point, specifically against the interests of the current Israeli government) are disloyal to Israel

Which is problematic, because jewish americans does not hold any intrinsic loyalty to the state of Israel, as he is implying. The whole concept of jews having a dual loyalty to Israel is an anti-semitic trope.

North German Realm wrote:and therefore to America, which is Israel's primary ally.

He never linked the two, and he later specified that he only meant disloyalty to Israel.

And then he specified again that he meant Israel, and not the US.

North German Realm wrote: His logic isn't sound (and his statement is stupid), but it's on a whole different realm of existence than the Stab in the Back myth.

It's simply a different anti-semitic trope.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:29 am

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Postby Uiiop » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:33 am

Telconi wrote:
Uiiop wrote:He thinks so based on what WRA’s says about you.
Kinda needs more to be dealt with than “Okay?”
Along with the fact you said turnabout is fair play when I brought this up last time.


Why he thinks what he thinks is irrelevant to rather his thoughts are correct.

Which is why you didn’t focus only on possible motives and instead went after what they claim is evidence .

Oh wait.
In any case if you really think they’re just trying to shutdown discussions then Report them.
Troll naming is against the rules for this very reason.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:33 am

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North German Realm wrote:The thing is, Trump didn't say that. He said Jews "that vote democrat" (which is, at this point, specifically against the interests of the current Israeli government) are disloyal to Israel

Which is problematic, because jewish americans does not hold any intrinsic loyalty to the state of Israel, as he is implying. The whole concept of jews having a dual loyalty to Israel is an anti-semitic trope.

North German Realm wrote:and therefore to America, which is Israel's primary ally.

He never linked the two, and he later specified that he only meant disloyalty to Israel.

And then he specified again that he meant Israel, and not the US.

North German Realm wrote: His logic isn't sound (and his statement is stupid), but it's on a whole different realm of existence than the Stab in the Back myth.

It's simply a different anti-semitic trope.


How is the idea that Jewish individuals ought to have dual loyalty to Israel inherently anti-semitic?

People believe Catholics ought to have loyalty to the Vatican, and many of those people are Catholic? Are these people anti-catholic?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:35 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Lumen, Iffy already clocked what Tel is doing and has been doing. Why the fuck do yoy still take the bait?


if you think its baiting go ahead and report it.

To the best of my knowledge, baiting someone into wasting their time on an argument one doesn't care about isn't against the rules.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:37 am

Uiiop wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Why he thinks what he thinks is irrelevant to rather his thoughts are correct.

Which is why you didn’t focus only on possible motives and instead went after what they claim.

Oh wait.
In any case if you really think they’re just trying to shutdown discussions then Report them.
Troll naming is against the rules for this very reason.


I never said anyone was a troll.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:42 am

Telconi wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Which is problematic, because jewish americans does not hold any intrinsic loyalty to the state of Israel, as he is implying. The whole concept of jews having a dual loyalty to Israel is an anti-semitic trope.


He never linked the two, and he later specified that he only meant disloyalty to Israel.

And then he specified again that he meant Israel, and not the US.


It's simply a different anti-semitic trope.


How is the idea that Jewish individuals ought to have dual loyalty to Israel inherently anti-semitic?

People believe Catholics ought to have loyalty to the Vatican, and many of those people are Catholic? Are these people anti-catholic?

Yes.

n the 19th century, many attacks on Catholics stressed that these immigrants were pawns of a foreign power. In the 1830s, Samuel Morse—then a prominent painter and later the inventor of the telegraph—urged Americans to build “walls” and “gates” to keep out Catholic immigrants, who would always be loyal to Rome. Because these Catholic immigrants were decrepit—“halt, and blind, and naked”—they were easy to control. With their “darkened intellects,” they “obey their priests as demigods.” The Vatican could deploy these “senseless machines” to seize power in America.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:42 am

Telconi wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Which is why you didn’t focus only on possible motives and instead went after what they claim.

Oh wait.
In any case if you really think they’re just trying to shutdown discussions then Report them.
Troll naming is against the rules for this very reason.


I never said anyone was a troll.

I was referring to the others as possible implicit trollnamers not you.
Don’t see how a plural you can be read into it.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:44 am

Uiiop wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I never said anyone was a troll.

I was referring to the others as possible implicit trollnamers not you.
Don’t see how a plural you can be read into it.


You were addressing me, the word "you" is very likely to refer to the addressed person.
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