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Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:12 am**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Most signatory nations never cared much about any of that mumbo jumbo, despite all good intentions.

Might makes still all too often right.

Which totally misses the effective enforcement of the European Convention of Human Rights, but such facts are easily swept aside if our world view depends on it.

The ECHR clearly isn't up to code, given that European countries can get away with censorship and other forms of free speech restrictions.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:32 am**

Proctopeo wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Which totally misses the effective enforcement of the European Convention of Human Rights, but such facts are easily swept aside if our world view depends on it.

The ECHR clearly isn't up to code, given that European countries can get away with censorship and other forms of free speech restrictions.

Or they don’t consider unlimited free speech to be a right?

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:33 am**

Proctopeo wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Which totally misses the effective enforcement of the European Convention of Human Rights, but such facts are easily swept aside if our world view depends on it.

The ECHR clearly isn't up to code, given that European countries can get away with censorship and other forms of free speech restrictions.

Do give an example.

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Human rights are a legal principle.

Human rights are a moral principle, like all legal principles are at first.

Yeah, and now we have a body of codified human rights to look at, which certainly makes for an easier analyses than asking every person on earth what they believe human rights are.

Human rights are there to support democracy and vice versa, human rights scholars agree, and if you disagree you’re going to have to present actual arguments.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:40 am**

Kowani wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:The ECHR clearly isn't up to code, given that European countries can get away with censorship and other forms of free speech restrictions.

Or they don’t consider unlimited free speech to be a right?

Which means their considerations are fundamentally bullshit.

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:The ECHR clearly isn't up to code, given that European countries can get away with censorship and other forms of free speech restrictions.

Do give an example.

Getting fined for offensive humor in Scotland, is one.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:40 am**

Proctopeo wrote:
Kowani wrote:Or they don’t consider unlimited free speech to be a right?

Which means their considerations are fundamentally bullshit.

Subjective value judgement.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:44 am**

Kowani wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Which means their considerations are fundamentally bullshit.

Subjective value judgement.

Well, I suppose you're right, in a sense.
America's enshrined rights are to protect the people from the government. Europe's enshrined rights are to protect the government from the people.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:45 am**

Proctopeo wrote:
Kowani wrote:Subjective value judgement.

Well, I suppose you're right, in a sense.
America's enshrined rights are to protect the people from the government. Europe's enshrined rights are to protect the government from the people.

Actually, it’s to protect the people from the people, but okay.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:48 am**

Kowani wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Well, I suppose you're right, in a sense.
America's enshrined rights are to protect the people from the government. Europe's enshrined rights are to protect the government from the people.

Actually, it’s to protect the people from the people, but okay.

That's not really any better, it implies that the people can't handle each other like civilized adults and need a nanny to tell them what is and isn't acceptable social behavior.
Which is obviously nonsense.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:01 am**

Proctopeo wrote:
Kowani wrote:Actually, it’s to protect the people from the people, but okay.

That's not really any better, it implies that the people can't handle each other like civilized adults and need a nanny to tell them what is and isn't acceptable social behavior.
Which is obviously nonsense.

Looks at human history.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:02 am**

Kowani wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:That's not really any better, it implies that the people can't handle each other like civilized adults and need a nanny to tell them what is and isn't acceptable social behavior.
Which is obviously nonsense.

Looks at human history.

Hobbes was just a pessimist.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:05 am**

Kowani wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:That's not really any better, it implies that the people can't handle each other like civilized adults and need a nanny to tell them what is and isn't acceptable social behavior.
Which is obviously nonsense.

Looks at human history.

Live, die, and future generations will learn.

Gormwood wrote:
Kowani wrote:Looks at human history.

Hobbes was just a pessimist.

This but unironically

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:06 am**

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Unironically this.

This is actually advocating for treason...

Is arming Iran and the Norks really any worse than arming say, I don't know...

-Saudi Arabia
-Israel
-~~Free Syrian Army~~ ISIS
-Al Nusra
-Al Qeada
-Pakistan
-The Mujahideen
-Kuwait
-Contras
-Khmer Rouge
-Iraq
-Turkey

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:08 am**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:This is actually advocating for treason...

Is arming Iran and the Norks really any worse than arming say, I don't know...

-Saudi Arabia
-Israel
-~~Free Syrian Army~~ ISIS
-Al Nusra
-Al Qeada
-Pakistan
-The Mujahideen
-Kuwait
-Contras
-Khmer Rouge
-Iraq
-Turkey

Most if not all armed by Republicans. Only a crime when Democrats do it obviously.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:09 am**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:This is actually advocating for treason...

Is arming Iran and the Norks really any worse than arming say, I don't know...

-Saudi Arabia
-Israel
-~~Free Syrian Army~~ ISIS
-Al Nusra
-Al Qeada
-Pakistan
-The Mujahideen
-Kuwait
-Contras
-Khmer Rouge
-Iraq
-Turkey

Are you aware that au contraire to the rest of your laundry list the US is actually at war with the DPRK?

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:09 am**

Gormwood wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Is arming Iran and the Norks really any worse than arming say, I don't know...

-Saudi Arabia
-Israel
-~~Free Syrian Army~~ ISIS
-Al Nusra
-Al Qeada
-Pakistan
-The Mujahideen
-Kuwait
-Contras
-Khmer Rouge
-Iraq
-Turkey

Most if not all armed by Republicans. Only a crime when Democrats do it obviously.

It is a bipartisan thing. Obama sold more arms to the Saudis than any president before Trump and as well as Pakistan, Israel, Turkey, and the "Free Syrian Army".

Clinton, Carter, Johnson, Truman, and FDR funded some real nasty people too. This has been American foreign police since World War II.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:10 am**

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Is arming Iran and the Norks really any worse than arming say, I don't know...

-Saudi Arabia
-Israel
-~~Free Syrian Army~~ ISIS
-Al Nusra
-Al Qeada
-Pakistan
-The Mujahideen
-Kuwait
-Contras
-Khmer Rouge
-Iraq
-Turkey

Are you aware that au contraire to the rest of your laundry list the US is actually at war with the DPRK?

That is false.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:46 am**

Proctopeo wrote:
Kowani wrote:Or they don’t consider unlimited free speech to be a right?

Which means their considerations are fundamentally bullshit.

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Do give an example.

Getting fined for offensive humor in Scotland, is one.

Do you mean the man threatening to cut off the heads of refugees? Because if so, hahaha.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:48 am**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Which means their considerations are fundamentally bullshit.

Getting fined for offensive humor in Scotland, is one.

Do you mean the man threatening to cut off the heads of refugees? Because if so, hahaha.

He means Count Dankula. They always mean Count Dankula.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:49 am**

Ifreann wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Do you mean the man threatening to cut off the heads of refugees? Because if so, hahaha.

He means Count Dankula. They always mean Count Dankula.

Tying your persona to memes reeks of mindless desperation.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:54 am**

Ifreann wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Do you mean the man threatening to cut off the heads of refugees? Because if so, hahaha.

He means Count Dankula. They always mean Count Dankula.

Which yeah, he ended up being an alt-right weirdo, so, maybe the courts had a point.

They should fine him for making mediocre meme content.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:55 am**

The Rich Port wrote:
Ifreann wrote:He means Count Dankula. They always mean Count Dankula.

Which yeah, he ended up being an alt-right weirdo, so, maybe the courts had a point.

They should fine him for making mediocre meme content.

Memes are like narcotics. Mind numbing and addicts eventually develop tolerance.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:57 am**

Gormwood wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Which yeah, he ended up being an alt-right weirdo, so, maybe the courts had a point.

They should fine him for making mediocre meme content.

Memes are like narcotics. Mind numbing and addicts eventually develop tolerance.

SEND THEM BACK.

SEND THE MEMES BACK TO KEKISTAN.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:59 am**

Gormwood wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Which yeah, he ended up being an alt-right weirdo, so, maybe the courts had a point.

They should fine him for making mediocre meme content.

Memes are like narcotics. Mind numbing and addicts eventually develop tolerance.

Memetic Warfare won the Great Meme War of 2016 and resulted in Trump taking the White House.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:00 pm**

Nakena wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Memes are like narcotics. Mind numbing and addicts eventually develop tolerance.

Memetic Warfare won the Great Meme War of 2016 and resulted in Trump taking the White House.

Oh that delusion again. Next you'll say memes trigger physiological evolution.

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:04 pm**

Nakena wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Memes are like narcotics. Mind numbing and addicts eventually develop tolerance.

Memetic Warfare won the Great Meme War of 2016 and resulted in Trump taking the White House.

In the end though, what really won the war was racism and spooked white people.

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