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Postby Nakena » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:38 pm

Oh boy this keeps getting better and better.

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Postby Duhon » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:03 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
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It comes from a Trump spokesman rather than a Fox News commentator, so of course I'd believe it


>believing a spokesman on what is basically a insulated opinion show

wow. ngl thats amazing.


I'll take the government's word for it, especially when it fits past actions. So be amazed.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:07 pm

I’m honestly surprised Trump isn’t calling for the arrest of Mayors,Governors and attorneys general saying they won’t comply with the ICE raids and the arrest of any other elected officials that appeared at news conferences

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Postby Duhon » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:I’m honestly surprised Trump isn’t calling for the arrest of Mayors,Governors and attorneys general saying they won’t comply with the ICE raids and the arrest of any other elected officials that appeared at news conferences


Wait for it.

It would not surprise me, though, if those raids happen without incident. If people can't be bothered to save themselves from a tyrant and his urges, why would they bother to save those who are not their own?

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Postby Nakena » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:12 pm

Duhon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I’m honestly surprised Trump isn’t calling for the arrest of Mayors,Governors and attorneys general saying they won’t comply with the ICE raids and the arrest of any other elected officials that appeared at news conferences


Wait for it.

It would not surprise me, though, if those raids happen without incident. If people can't be bothered to save themselves from a tyrant and his urges, why would they bother to save those who are not their own?


Which agency would supposedly conduct those raids?

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Postby Duhon » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:17 pm

Nakena wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Wait for it.

It would not surprise me, though, if those raids happen without incident. If people can't be bothered to save themselves from a tyrant and his urges, why would they bother to save those who are not their own?


Which agency would supposedly conduct those raids?


"Supposedly"?

ICE agents will move to round up around two thousand illegals throughout the US beginning this Sunday, to be followed up by more, because Stephen Miller presumably has a quota on blood offerings to be made.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:26 pm

Duhon wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Which agency would supposedly conduct those raids?


"Supposedly"?

ICE agents will move to round up around two thousand illegals throughout the US beginning this Sunday, to be followed up by more, because Stephen Miller presumably has a quota on blood offerings to be made.

They're here illegally and have removal orders. Isn't that kinda the point of ICE? Enforce immigration law?
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:37 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
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"Supposedly"?

ICE agents will move to round up around two thousand illegals throughout the US beginning this Sunday, to be followed up by more, because Stephen Miller presumably has a quota on blood offerings to be made.

They're here illegally and have removal orders. Isn't that kinda the point of ICE? Enforce immigration law?


Need I say I don't trust this admin at all on anything? Since the beginning this admin has done its best to alter existing laws and defy previous precedents, both to widen the scope of "illegal" and narrow down what is "legal" when it comes to immigrants in general. This is ignoring the dilapidated state of the immigration courts and the increasingly xenophobic take even those who call themselves mainstream Republicans now espouse.

"Dura lex sed lex" in the context of a government that Knows Nothing and will keep on Knowing Nothing to keep out the bad hombres and kick those already within their sacred space without doing anything but living their lives is fucking dope, yo.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:40 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Duhon wrote:
"Supposedly"?

ICE agents will move to round up around two thousand illegals throughout the US beginning this Sunday, to be followed up by more, because Stephen Miller presumably has a quota on blood offerings to be made.

They're here illegally and have removal orders. Isn't that kinda the point of ICE? Enforce immigration law?

You have to wonder how Obama was able to put up bigger numbers without these highly publicized high profile raids done in such a grandstanding way.

It's almost as if it isn't really about enforcing anything but instead a giant stunt to play to an anti-immigration base. I mean, if he was serious he could put his money where his mouth is.
Such a pledge is ambitious given the current pressures on the agency and its limited resources. As the AP points out, ICE is "already overwhelmed, lacking staff, funding and detention space for its current work. And any massive roundup that includes deportation of families would be sure to spark outrage."
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:45 pm

This is assuming Trump's ICE is not a motley crew of Trumpstained fanatics, whose abusiveness and excessiveness will more than make up for their shortage in everything else.

Needless to say, I am skeptical as fuck that these raids will be conducted without the sort of incidents that would normally spark the populations of entire countries to overthrow their tyrannical leaders.

(Dunno about America, though.)

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:49 pm

Duhon wrote:This is assuming Trump's ICE is not a motley crew of Trumpstained fanatics, whose abusiveness and excessiveness will more than make up for their shortage in everything else.

Needless to say, I am skeptical as fuck that these raids will be conducted without the sort of incidents that would normally spark the populations of entire countries to overthrow their tyrannical leaders.

(Dunno about America, though.)

You gotta get another note on that trumpet, man.
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:52 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Duhon wrote:This is assuming Trump's ICE is not a motley crew of Trumpstained fanatics, whose abusiveness and excessiveness will more than make up for their shortage in everything else.

Needless to say, I am skeptical as fuck that these raids will be conducted without the sort of incidents that would normally spark the populations of entire countries to overthrow their tyrannical leaders.

(Dunno about America, though.)

You gotta get another note on that trumpet, man.


I was for constitutional methods to remove Trump these last three years. Perhaps a new note isn't what you want from me.

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Postby Nakena » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:01 pm

Duhon wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Which agency would supposedly conduct those raids?


"Supposedly"?

ICE agents will move to round up around two thousand illegals throughout the US beginning this Sunday, to be followed up by more, because Stephen Miller presumably has a quota on blood offerings to be made.


Ok I just looked this up. This is going to be bad. I am not even sure what the hell is going there, but they really need to fix their stuff somehow.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:27 am

So where are ICE planning to put the people they round up? I thought the detention centres were already full.
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Postby Duhon » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:43 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:So where are ICE planning to put the people they round up? I thought the detention centres were already full.


Stuff them there, deport ASAP, forced labor somewhere secluded (like some of those migrant kids ended up doing), summary execution, hand over to Stephen Miller as fodder for his rituals... maybe the last one is exaggerated, but this is the Trump administration, and Stephen Miller really, really, really wants as few foreigners as possible.

Speaking of forced labor, you know who's replacing Alex Acosta as Labor secretary?

President Donald Trump’s nominee for deputy labor secretary, Patrick Pizzella, has old ties to Jack Abramoff, the infamous lobbyist who went to prison for corruption, Hassan A. Kanu reports in Bloomberg BNA. In the 1990s “Pizzella worked at the law firm Preston Gates on the Abramoff lobbying team,” Kanu writes. “The team worked on behalf of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands to oppose the extension of federal labor and immigration laws to the U.S. territory, according to government filings and a former colleague of the two.”

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:52 am

Is the US going to do anything about Turkey defying them over the S-400 missile defence system from Russia?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:12 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Is the US going to do anything about Turkey defying them over the S-400 missile defence system from Russia?

A strongly worded tweet?
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Postby Duhon » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:13 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Is the US going to do anything about Turkey defying them over the S-400 missile defence system from Russia?

A strongly worded tweet?


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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:03 am

Telconi wrote:
Gravlen wrote:True, but the question was what are the gains?


A better president.


She would show up at a WW1 grave site in france despite the rain.

Also she wouldn't have give the alt right echo chambers a huuge thing to circle jerk over.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:07 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
A better president.


She would show up at a WW1 grave site in france despite the rain.

Also she wouldn't have give the alt right echo chambers a huuge thing to circle jerk over.


Alt-Right dropped Trump over his foreign policy towards Iran and Syria, quite a while ago.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:21 am

Nakena wrote:
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She would show up at a WW1 grave site in france despite the rain.

Also she wouldn't have give the alt right echo chambers a huuge thing to circle jerk over.


Alt-Right dropped Trump over his foreign policy towards Iran and Syria, quite a while ago.


Still helped create this monster and where instrumental in that moron getting elected.

They also emplaced massive new echo chambers of strictly pro trump alt right people who still make posts to this day.

Eroding away facts and reality to make a narrative of "SJW BAD, PRO TRUMP GOOD, LIBERALS LIE CUZ THEY ARE CLOSET SJWS, CENTERESTS ARE CLOSET SJWS, LOL LOOK AT THE DUMB TUMBERLE SJWS xdxdxdxd"

Removing nuance, and making a black and white thing out of a whole spectrum.

Someone on the left makes an argument? Shut it down by calling them SJW's and bringing up poo on San Francisco streets despite that not being relevant to anything they say.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:26 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Alt-Right dropped Trump over his foreign policy towards Iran and Syria, quite a while ago.


Still helped create this monster and where instrumental in that moron getting elected.

They also emplaced massive new echo chambers of strictly pro trump alt right people who still make posts to this day.

Eroding away facts and reality to make a narrative of "SJW BAD, PRO TRUMP GOOD, LIBERALS LIE CUZ THEY ARE CLOSET SJWS, CENTERESTS ARE CLOSET SJWS, LOL LOOK AT THE DUMB TUMBERLE SJWS xdxdxdxd"

Removing nuance, and making a black and white thing out of a whole spectrum.

Someone on the left makes an argument? Shut it down by calling them SJW's and bringing up poo on San Francisco streets despite that not being relevant to anything they say.

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Postby Tarsonis » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:30 am

Duhon wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:They're here illegally and have removal orders. Isn't that kinda the point of ICE? Enforce immigration law?


Need I say I don't trust this admin at all on anything? Since the beginning this admin has done its best to alter existing laws and defy previous precedents, both to widen the scope of "illegal" and narrow down what is "legal" when it comes to immigrants in general. This is ignoring the dilapidated state of the immigration courts and the increasingly xenophobic take even those who call themselves mainstream Republicans now espouse.

"Dura lex sed lex" in the context of a government that Knows Nothing and will keep on Knowing Nothing to keep out the bad hombres and kick those already within their sacred space without doing anything but living their lives is fucking dope, yo.


Good thing your opinion about how we handle our immigration means jack shit
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:31 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Still helped create this monster and where instrumental in that moron getting elected.

They also emplaced massive new echo chambers of strictly pro trump alt right people who still make posts to this day.

Eroding away facts and reality to make a narrative of "SJW BAD, PRO TRUMP GOOD, LIBERALS LIE CUZ THEY ARE CLOSET SJWS, CENTERESTS ARE CLOSET SJWS, LOL LOOK AT THE DUMB TUMBERLE SJWS xdxdxdxd"

Removing nuance, and making a black and white thing out of a whole spectrum.

Someone on the left makes an argument? Shut it down by calling them SJW's and bringing up poo on San Francisco streets despite that not being relevant to anything they say.


The Alt-Right specifically was a explicitly White Nationalist movement. I think you conflating it with the greater and much broader alt-lite culture which has partially transcended into the right-wing mainstream.

Not every kekistani is an alt-righter.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:38 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Need I say I don't trust this admin at all on anything? Since the beginning this admin has done its best to alter existing laws and defy previous precedents, both to widen the scope of "illegal" and narrow down what is "legal" when it comes to immigrants in general. This is ignoring the dilapidated state of the immigration courts and the increasingly xenophobic take even those who call themselves mainstream Republicans now espouse.

"Dura lex sed lex" in the context of a government that Knows Nothing and will keep on Knowing Nothing to keep out the bad hombres and kick those already within their sacred space without doing anything but living their lives is fucking dope, yo.


Good thing your opinion about how we handle our immigration means jack shit

As opposed to your opinion, which is valued highly by The Donald?
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