MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Uiiop]

The 2nd Amendment matters the most. No second amendment, no 1st 3rd or any other bill of right.

*Looks at Europe Switzerland* Wrong again.

Fixed because you're right for the wrong reasons. At least under Cherno's metrics of rights.

[Fartsniffage]

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I don’t like the possible genocide either, but one of Trump’s campaign promises was to literally bring troops back home and stop meddling with the middle east

And many of those who opposed Vietnam also oppose this, which is really making me think if the neocons will flip blue now

[Makdon]

Nothing wrong with having a different opinion. There are plenty of people whom I disagree with who are still decent human beings.

I don't respect the outcome of elections that Democrats win. So. Yes.

Wait... so it's ok to have a different opinion, but people should be impeached because they have a different opinions than you?

[Duhon]

Nothing wrong with having a different opinion. There are plenty of people whom I disagree with who are still decent human beings.

I don't respect the outcome of elections that Democrats win. So. Yes.

Wait... so it's ok to have a different opinion, but people should be impeached because they have a different opinions than you?

of the regular posters here, telconi is the most partisan
that he mixes that partisanship with patent bait is the cherry on top

[New Bremerton]

Donald J. Trump finally crossed a line for me, and for quite possibly the first time ever, I'm genuinely disgusted with him, as are a good number of conservatives, Republicans and erstwhile Trump supporters who have the good sense to realize just how wrong this is. I was able to hold my nose and tolerate his buffoonery for several years because he appeared to be the "anti-SJW' bitter pill to far-left, PC, Third Wave feminist, Islamist apologist, identity politics, cancel culture nonsense. But his betrayal of the Syrian Kurds to a genocidal, bloodthirsty Turkish Islamofascist regime is a step too far. Where he was once merely a clueless, self-interested, narcissistic, but rather entertaining, buffoon, he now comes across as an evil sociopath who could just as easily be Jack the Ripper or Hannibal Lecter in another life. If he can betray the Kurds to their deaths after completely abusing their trust and faith in America, he can betray Hong Kong, and I do not trust him to do what's right. Where once I was literally sitting on the fence and weighing the pros and cons of another four years of Trump compared to Andrew Yang or Tulsi Gabbard, this latest move has finally made my mind up.

I want to see him out of office in Nov. 2020, but the Democrats desperately need to get their shit together and stop with the impeachment nonsense, divisive "basket of deplorables" rhetoric and perennial obsession over Trump's tweets about AOC and The Squad, or they will NEVER win. Andrew Yang is my first choice for president. Tulsi Gabbard is my second. I don't care about the other candidates. Gabbard, for all her anti-war talk, has criticized Trump's decision to pull out without warning. My respect for her has increased as a result.

While I do not condone an open borders policy in any way, shape or form and respect America's national sovereignty and right to defend its classical liberal, democratic traditions, those on the Right who would defend Trump's unforgivable decision to abandon the Kurds to their fate, or worse still, those who would apologize for Turkey's crimes, deserve all the uncontrolled Muslim migration and illegal immigration that's coming to their hometowns and communities courtesy of a far-left administration that considers them to be "deplorables". (Site rules potentially prevent me from describing the effect this would have on their cultures and way of life, but I'm not advocating cultural genocide just to be clear.) I wouldn't condone it, of course, but it would be much harder for me to condemn it now. You can look out for your own interests first and foremost, but when it involves deliberately placing others in harm's way, then it's nothing less than "fuck you, got mine".

[Tarsonis]

I can see it now, “Mermen for Trump 2020”

is that the plural of "mormon"?

Thank you for the set up

[Tarsonis]

Criminality is not a requirement for impeachment.

I dont think many would take kindly to removing someone from office simply because the opposite party doesnt like that they won. What your saying is if one party wins every statewide office and the legislature is the opposite party they should remove every statewide official in the line of succession until someone of the their party takes the helm. That's the equivalent of a coup and saying we dont respect the outcome of elections

Damn Lumen, it’s almost like you’re on the cusp of self realization.

[Tarsonis]

Nothing wrong with having a different opinion. There are plenty of people whom I disagree with who are still decent human beings.

I don't respect the outcome of elections that Democrats win. So. Yes.

Wait... so it's ok to have a different opinion, but people should be impeached because they have a different opinions than you?

It’s been the Democratic Party’s mantra for the last three years.

[Saiwania]

What is Trump even talking about when he says the Kurds don't need help because they weren't at Normandy during World War II? He's in the wrong on this, or its very crap reasoning. Maybe this is really about him betraying the Kurds for profit. To protect some business interests he has in Turkey. Its disgraceful if that's true. A US special forces member in the region says that they're ashamed of whats happening now.

But I can't just ditch Trump if I said I'd stay with backing him next time around. There's no one better on immigration and in terms of the unemployment rate, and he's the sort of bigot I like but damn, his cons just keep accumulating compared to his pros.

[Major-Tom]

What is Trump even talking about when he says the Kurds don't need help because they weren't at Normandy during World War II? He's in the wrong on this, or its very crap reasoning. Maybe this is really about him betraying the Kurds for profit. To protect some business interests he has in Turkey. Its disgraceful if that's true. A US special forces member in the region says that they're ashamed of whats happening now.

But I can't just ditch Trump if I said I'd stay with backing him next time around. There's no one better on immigration and in terms of the unemployment rate, and he's the sort of bigot I like but damn, his cons just keep accumulating compared to his pros.

"Yeah, I can't ditch Trump simply because I disagree with him, his rhetoric that he never follows through with just enchants me too much."

Like, dude, the unemployment rate has been in freefall for years, and that doesn't reflect on Obama or Trump's legacy. Our Labor force participation rate has been on par with third world countries for years, and Trump can't and won't fix that. Wages haven't grown for decades and Trump could care less. Unemployment is such a useless fucking metric tbh, and his "immigration policy" is little more than dick-waving rhetoric to stoke racial tension.

[Tarsonis]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkayla ... 8e3eaf409b


A worthwhile read on the Kurd situation

[Saiwania]

I'd concede that if I really think about it and am being serious, that technically speaking- Trump is unfit for office compared to other US Presidents. He's not as normal as even George W. Bush was. He's a good representative for some of what the alt-Right wants perhaps, but he has no real interest in truly governing. Trump got himself voted in by sheer dumb luck and as a novelty. Because a person having no experience with politics being POTUS has "never been done" before. Just enough of the country didn't like Hillary Clinton I guess.

He does some stuff I like, but the rest is truly abhorrent. On the other hand, he hates some of the people I hate. Its a real tragedy, that Trump is such a fool and ignoramous, etc. across the board, but none of the Democrats who'd replace him would be any better on domestic and social policy- (except perhaps on energy and the environment.) But there would probably be a return to a real Presidential President and the office once again having its proper prestige.

With the way things are going, it seems this experiment of a non-political businessman being POTUS is a failed one. Just continuous scandals because Trump is valuing loyalty over competency too much. It seems to be true that he's like a child and wants to only be surrounded by people who'll obey him. He betrays people too easily and can't really be trusted, even if you are in a position to want to help or assist Trump from what I read.

It's tempting for a lot of people to look at what Trump does and eventually conclude- "to hell with him." It's harder to objectively speaking, keep seeing good things about his administration- such as it is in practice. Some of it is good from my perspective, but the broader picture is only ever bad and concerningly getting worse over time.

[New Bremerton]

I'd concede that if I really think about it and am being serious, that technically speaking- Trump is unfit for office compared to other US Presidents. He's not as normal as even George W. Bush was. He's a good representative for some of what the alt-Right wants perhaps, but he has no real interest in truly governing. Trump got himself voted in by sheer dumb luck and as a novelty. Because a person having no experience with politics being POTUS has "never been done" before. Just enough of the country didn't like Hillary Clinton I guess.

He does some stuff I like, but the rest is truly abhorrent. On the other hand, he hates some of the people I hate. Its a real tragedy, that Trump is such a fool and ignoramous, etc. across the board, but none of the Democrats who'd replace him would be any better on domestic and social policy- (except perhaps on energy and the environment.) But there would probably be a return to a real Presidential President and the office once again having its proper prestige.

With the way things are going, it seems this experiment of a non-political businessman being POTUS is a failed one. Just continuous scandals because Trump is valuing loyalty over competency too much. It seems to be true that he's like a child and wants to only be surrounded by people who'll obey him. He betrays people too easily and can't really be trusted, even if you are in a position to want to help or assist Trump from what I read.

It's tempting for a lot of people to look at what Trump does and eventually conclude- "to hell with him." It's harder to objectively speaking, keep seeing good things about his administration- such as it is in practice. Some of it is good from my perspective, but the broader picture is only ever bad and concerningly getting worse over time.

If I know someone to be a corrupt, self-interested, narcissistic sociopath and a pathological liar who is incapable of genuine kindness and empathy, it's only fair that he should be cynically taken advantage of by others knowing full well that he will do the same to them, because "what's in it for me" is the only language he can understand. Donald Trump has outlived his usefulness and has become more of a liability than an asset, and he should be fed to the wolves on Nov. 2020. And if it turns out he is indeed guilty of collusion, obstruction of justice and all sorts of other presidential misconduct, he can rot in jail for his crimes. But impeachment is not the right way to remove him from office. The democratic process must be respected. Vote him out in 2020 instead. Then, and only then, investigate him.

His betrayal of the Kurdish people massively outweighs his anti-SJW credentials and his claimed, but yet to be proven, support for absolute free speech, especially on social media platforms where users like myself are from all over the world. Why vote for Trump when Tulsi Gabbard possesses the same anti-SJW, pro-free speech credentials, is an equally staunch supporter of Israel, is a close friend of the Kurdish people, has vowed to sever diplomatic ties with the Islamist terrorist state of Saudi Arabia unlike Trump, and is actually a woman of integrity who has served in the U.S. military? He has proven himself to be unreliable on a lot of things, and his betrayal of the Kurds is the final straw for me. If he can betray the Kurds, he can betray Hong Kong, where I was born and raised, and I do not trust the guy to do right by others at all. Again, I judge the man by his actions, not his words, because his words don't always translate to action.

Ted Cruz was absolutely right about him.

[Thermodolia]

(Image)

I thought it stood for Jetarded

[The Emerald Legion]

I'd concede that if I really think about it and am being serious, that technically speaking- Trump is unfit for office compared to other US Presidents. He's not as normal as even George W. Bush was. He's a good representative for some of what the alt-Right wants perhaps, but he has no real interest in truly governing. Trump got himself voted in by sheer dumb luck and as a novelty. Because a person having no experience with politics being POTUS has "never been done" before. Just enough of the country didn't like Hillary Clinton I guess.

He does some stuff I like, but the rest is truly abhorrent. On the other hand, he hates some of the people I hate. Its a real tragedy, that Trump is such a fool and ignoramous, etc. across the board, but none of the Democrats who'd replace him would be any better on domestic and social policy- (except perhaps on energy and the environment.) But there would probably be a return to a real Presidential President and the office once again having its proper prestige.

With the way things are going, it seems this experiment of a non-political businessman being POTUS is a failed one. Just continuous scandals because Trump is valuing loyalty over competency too much. It seems to be true that he's like a child and wants to only be surrounded by people who'll obey him. He betrays people too easily and can't really be trusted, even if you are in a position to want to help or assist Trump from what I read.

It's tempting for a lot of people to look at what Trump does and eventually conclude- "to hell with him." It's harder to objectively speaking, keep seeing good things about his administration- such as it is in practice. Some of it is good from my perspective, but the broader picture is only ever bad and concerningly getting worse over time.

If I know someone to be a corrupt, self-interested, narcissistic sociopath and a pathological liar who is incapable of genuine kindness and empathy, it's only fair that he should be cynically taken advantage of by others knowing full well that he will do the same to them, because "what's in it for me" is the only language he can understand. Donald Trump has outlived his usefulness and has become more of a liability than an asset, and he should be fed to the wolves on Nov. 2020. And if it turns out he is indeed guilty of collusion, obstruction of justice and all sorts of other presidential misconduct, he can rot in jail for his crimes. But impeachment is not the right way to remove him from office. The democratic process must be respected. Vote him out in 2020 instead. Then, and only then, investigate him.

His betrayal of the Kurdish people massively outweighs his anti-SJW credentials and his claimed, but yet to be proven, support for absolute free speech, especially on social media platforms where users like myself are from all over the world. Why vote for Trump when Tulsi Gabbard possesses the same anti-SJW, pro-free speech credentials, is an equally staunch supporter of Israel, is a close friend of the Kurdish people, has vowed to sever diplomatic ties with the Islamist terrorist state of Saudi Arabia unlike Trump, and is actually a woman of integrity who has served in the U.S. military? He has proven himself to be unreliable on a lot of things, and his betrayal of the Kurds is the final straw for me. If he can betray the Kurds, he can betray Hong Kong, where I was born and raised, and I do not trust the guy to do right by others at all. Again, I judge the man by his actions, not his words, because his words don't always translate to action.

Ted Cruz was absolutely right about him.

Because Tulsi Gabbard is Anti Gun as much as I otherwise like her.

[San Lumen]

Wait... so it's ok to have a different opinion, but people should be impeached because they have a different opinions than you?

It’s been the Democratic Party’s mantra for the last three years.

You therefore have no problem with soliciting a foreign government for dirt on a political opponent even though it’s illegal to do so?

[The Emerald Legion]

It’s been the Democratic Party’s mantra for the last three years.

You therefore have. I problem with soliciting a foreign government for dirt on a political opponent even though it’s illegal to do so?

That didn't happen so it's irrelevant.

[San Lumen]

You therefore have. I problem with soliciting a foreign government for dirt on a political opponent even though it’s illegal to do so?

That didn't happen so it's irrelevant.

Yes it did. He said it on the White House lawn

[Zurkerx]

I'd concede that if I really think about it and am being serious, that technically speaking- Trump is unfit for office compared to other US Presidents. He's not as normal as even George W. Bush was. He's a good representative for some of what the alt-Right wants perhaps, but he has no real interest in truly governing. Trump got himself voted in by sheer dumb luck and as a novelty. Because a person having no experience with politics being POTUS has "never been done" before. Just enough of the country didn't like Hillary Clinton I guess.

He does some stuff I like, but the rest is truly abhorrent. On the other hand, he hates some of the people I hate. Its a real tragedy, that Trump is such a fool and ignoramous, etc. across the board, but none of the Democrats who'd replace him would be any better on domestic and social policy- (except perhaps on energy and the environment.) But there would probably be a return to a real Presidential President and the office once again having its proper prestige.

With the way things are going, it seems this experiment of a non-political businessman being POTUS is a failed one. Just continuous scandals because Trump is valuing loyalty over competency too much. It seems to be true that he's like a child and wants to only be surrounded by people who'll obey him. He betrays people too easily and can't really be trusted, even if you are in a position to want to help or assist Trump from what I read.

It's tempting for a lot of people to look at what Trump does and eventually conclude- "to hell with him." It's harder to objectively speaking, keep seeing good things about his administration- such as it is in practice. Some of it is good from my perspective, but the broader picture is only ever bad and concerningly getting worse over time.

If I know someone to be a corrupt, self-interested, narcissistic sociopath and a pathological liar who is incapable of genuine kindness and empathy, it's only fair that he should be cynically taken advantage of by others knowing full well that he will do the same to them, because "what's in it for me" is the only language he can understand. Donald Trump has outlived his usefulness and has become more of a liability than an asset, and he should be fed to the wolves on Nov. 2020. And if it turns out he is indeed guilty of collusion, obstruction of justice and all sorts of other presidential misconduct, he can rot in jail for his crimes. But impeachment is not the right way to remove him from office. The democratic process must be respected. Vote him out in 2020 instead. Then, and only then, investigate him.

His betrayal of the Kurdish people massively outweighs his anti-SJW credentials and his claimed, but yet to be proven, support for absolute free speech, especially on social media platforms where users like myself are from all over the world. Why vote for Trump when Tulsi Gabbard possesses the same anti-SJW, pro-free speech credentials, is an equally staunch supporter of Israel, is a close friend of the Kurdish people, has vowed to sever diplomatic ties with the Islamist terrorist state of Saudi Arabia unlike Trump, and is actually a woman of integrity who has served in the U.S. military? He has proven himself to be unreliable on a lot of things, and his betrayal of the Kurds is the final straw for me. If he can betray the Kurds, he can betray Hong Kong, where I was born and raised, and I do not trust the guy to do right by others at all. Again, I judge the man by his actions, not his words, because his words don't always translate to action.

Ted Cruz was absolutely right about him.

Trump will eventually stab everyone in the back: that's his persona. Trump did have potential: he could have tackled corruption. However and instead, he added to it. But I do agree more overall: unless he committed crimes (which we must prove first) that absolutely warrant impeachment, the 2020 Election is the best way to remove him from office. I take it you were once a Trump Supporter?

[The Emerald Legion]

That didn't happen so it's irrelevant.

Yes it did. He said it on the White House lawn

No it didn't. Please provide evidence of him saying "I was getting dirt on Biden."

[San Lumen]

Yes it did. He said it on the White House lawn

No it didn't. Please provide evidence of him saying "I was getting dirt on Biden."

Have you read the call transcript? We’re those two aides of Giuliani arrested for no reason?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Donald J. Trump finally crossed a line for me, and for quite possibly the first time ever, I'm genuinely disgusted with him, as are a good number of conservatives, Republicans and erstwhile Trump supporters who have the good sense to realize just how wrong this is. I was able to hold my nose and tolerate his buffoonery for several years because he appeared to be the "anti-SJW' bitter pill to far-left, PC, Third Wave feminist, Islamist apologist, identity politics, cancel culture nonsense. But his betrayal of the Syrian Kurds to a genocidal, bloodthirsty Turkish Islamofascist regime is a step too far. Where he was once merely a clueless, self-interested, narcissistic, but rather entertaining, buffoon, he now comes across as an evil sociopath who could just as easily be Jack the Ripper or Hannibal Lecter in another life. If he can betray the Kurds to their deaths after completely abusing their trust and faith in America, he can betray Hong Kong, and I do not trust him to do what's right. Where once I was literally sitting on the fence and weighing the pros and cons of another four years of Trump compared to Andrew Yang or Tulsi Gabbard, this latest move has finally made my mind up.

I want to see him out of office in Nov. 2020, but the Democrats desperately need to get their shit together and stop with the impeachment nonsense, divisive "basket of deplorables" rhetoric and perennial obsession over Trump's tweets about AOC and The Squad, or they will NEVER win. Andrew Yang is my first choice for president. Tulsi Gabbard is my second. I don't care about the other candidates. Gabbard, for all her anti-war talk, has criticized Trump's decision to pull out without warning. My respect for her has increased as a result.

While I do not condone an open borders policy in any way, shape or form and respect America's national sovereignty and right to defend its classical liberal, democratic traditions, those on the Right who would defend Trump's unforgivable decision to abandon the Kurds to their fate, or worse still, those who would apologize for Turkey's crimes, deserve all the uncontrolled Muslim migration and illegal immigration that's coming to their hometowns and communities courtesy of a far-left administration that considers them to be "deplorables". (Site rules potentially prevent me from describing the effect this would have on their cultures and way of life, but I'm not advocating cultural genocide just to be clear.) I wouldn't condone it, of course, but it would be much harder for me to condemn it now. You can look out for your own interests first and foremost, but when it involves deliberately placing others in harm's way, then it's nothing less than "fuck you, got mine".

Ey im down for yeeting trump out of office just like you.

Welcome to the "anyone else but trump 2020" team.

Also, going "SJW bad" is not a good way of thinking of things.

[The Emerald Legion]

No it didn't. Please provide evidence of him saying "I was getting dirt on Biden."

Have you read the call transcript? We’re those two aides of Giuliani arrested for no reason?

Yes. At no point does he ask him for Dirt on Biden. He alleges that something fishy went on and he wants to know what happened.

You can assume that he's pursuing it for purely political reasons. But if Biden murders someone is he not allowed to be arrested? He will either be proven innocent or proven guilty.

Because people are always arrested for good reasons.

Mind you they were arrested for something totally separate as well.

[New Bremerton]

If I know someone to be a corrupt, self-interested, narcissistic sociopath and a pathological liar who is incapable of genuine kindness and empathy, it's only fair that he should be cynically taken advantage of by others knowing full well that he will do the same to them, because "what's in it for me" is the only language he can understand. Donald Trump has outlived his usefulness and has become more of a liability than an asset, and he should be fed to the wolves on Nov. 2020. And if it turns out he is indeed guilty of collusion, obstruction of justice and all sorts of other presidential misconduct, he can rot in jail for his crimes. But impeachment is not the right way to remove him from office. The democratic process must be respected. Vote him out in 2020 instead. Then, and only then, investigate him.

His betrayal of the Kurdish people massively outweighs his anti-SJW credentials and his claimed, but yet to be proven, support for absolute free speech, especially on social media platforms where users like myself are from all over the world. Why vote for Trump when Tulsi Gabbard possesses the same anti-SJW, pro-free speech credentials, is an equally staunch supporter of Israel, is a close friend of the Kurdish people, has vowed to sever diplomatic ties with the Islamist terrorist state of Saudi Arabia unlike Trump, and is actually a woman of integrity who has served in the U.S. military? He has proven himself to be unreliable on a lot of things, and his betrayal of the Kurds is the final straw for me. If he can betray the Kurds, he can betray Hong Kong, where I was born and raised, and I do not trust the guy to do right by others at all. Again, I judge the man by his actions, not his words, because his words don't always translate to action.

Ted Cruz was absolutely right about him.

Trump will eventually stab everyone in the back: that's his persona. Trump did have potential: he could have tackled corruption. However and instead, he added to it. But I do agree more overall: unless he committed crimes (which we must prove first) that absolutely warrant impeachment, the 2020 Election is the best way to remove him from office. I take it you were once a Trump Supporter?

I've been sitting on the fence for about a year now beginning around the time of the Kavanaugh witch hunt and the Democrat-induced moral panic that followed. I have never been a Trump supporter, but I still distrust the mainstream of the Democratic Party, excluding Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard. I've always been an independent, liberal centrist since before Trump's election in 2016. Even before that, I was pretty much a mainstream liberal/leftist and made no distinction between the two, but I was never a Democrat supporter. I may have walked away from the Democrats and the Western Left, but unlike Brandon Straka, I have opted not to jump on the right-wing Trump bandwagon in the process. I'm not going to stop calling myself a liberal for a number of reasons, even if my views have shifted radically over the years.